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To: Valeri Galtsev Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , FreeBSD Stable References: <140a6398-f8ad-ecd6-2a6f-5ca28f570a64@gmail.com> <8D1E28F3-ADCF-4CF1-BA2A-B071887A6E4E@kicp.uchicago.edu> From: Don Wilde Message-ID: <60edae09-428d-0048-1c7d-9e96a60c44e6@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 17:00:22 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8D1E28F3-ADCF-4CF1-BA2A-B071887A6E4E@kicp.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B7B8W65mZz4H0K X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Bx+e0IX+; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::1044 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.54 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.61)[-0.609]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[71.223.3.53:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.95)[-0.952]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.976]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::1044:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 00:00:29 -0000 On 7/16/20 2:28 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > >> On Jul 16, 2020, at 3:28 PM, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: >> >> czw., 16 lip 2020, 22:20 użytkownik Don Wilde napisał: >> >>> That's the last time I will allow this, and I'm calling those [deleted]s >>> tomorrow to give them a piece of my mind. After that I will erase every >>> vestige of that obscene OS from my disk. >>> >> I did that long time ago :-) I have one dedicated laptop if I am really >> forced to use M$ crap but by all means necessary I avoid it for more than >> 15 years :-) >> > Microsoft does not admit that other systems exist. So, if I have to have multi boot system, usually laptop, as many sysadmins do, I install MS Widows first (often it is even not installation, but bringing up to the drive “image” machine vendor gives for “reinstallation”). If for whatever reason MS windows is installed not the first, I just restore boot of another system (say by booting it from live DVD) after Windows installation. My current PC laptop is triple boot: UbuntuEbonite linux (my apologies it is not CentOS), FreeBSD, and, of course MS Windows ;-) > > Valeri Actually, Doze WAS the first on that system, straight from Dell. I never had this issue before, even with the 7 - 10 upgrade, despite adding Ubuntu 18 to it many years ago. I was playing with GRUB Customizer the other day to add another drive dedicated to FreeBSD, and that may have installed my loader in the location MS trashed. I no longer need any program on Windows. I have gotten everything, even my payware model train programs with OpenGL, to work on Wine. It will be erased from my last disk this weekend. -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * ****************************************************