Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:49:35 -0600 From: "Mike Meyer" <mwm-dated-1016056176.58706e@mired.org> To: Paul Robinson <paul@iconoplex.co.uk> Cc: Mike Meyer <mwm-dated-1015969706.f4c2b9@mired.org>, "Nickolay A.Kritsky" <nkritsky@internethelp.ru>, Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>, Peter Leftwich <Hostmaster@Video2Video.Com>, Miguel Mendez <flynn@energyhq.homeip.net>, Cliff Sarginson <csfbsd@raggedclown.net>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re[2]: http://users.uk.freebsd.org/~juha/ Message-ID: <15497.12783.643757.175742@guru.mired.org> In-Reply-To: <20020308113108.G32897@iconoplex.co.uk> References: <20020306191854.C2150-100000@earl-grey.cloud9.net> <3C86C11C.8A31C8BB@mindspring.com> <15494.52528.125952.145716@guru.mired.org> <3C86D7D6.C11D7E@mindspring.com> <15494.58407.33613.314390@guru.mired.org> <8457986570.20020307135407@internethelp.ru> <15495.57385.993281.469551@guru.mired.org> <20020308113108.G32897@iconoplex.co.uk>
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Paul Robinson <paul@iconoplex.co.uk> types: > On Mar 7, Mike Meyer <mwm-dated-1015969706.f4c2b9@mired.org> wrote: > > You can learn that using your own system. Wanna learn how to break > > into a generic install of FreeBSD? Install one, and go to work on > > it. It's no less interesting/fun/educational than trying to break into > > someone elses, and a lot less likely to get you into trouble. > And what if you want to learn how to break into Solaris? Then you install Solaris and use it. BFD. > There will always be an excuse given for hacking. I know one guy who > was well known in the security field for a number of years, who > reckoned that many years ago the 'we want to play with Unix' camp > split into two - those who had the balls to to go out and break into > expensive Unix machines dotted around the world, and those who were > so scared they went off and wrote their own (e.g. Linux). He forgot the third group - the ones who were talented enough to get hired to run or write OS's for those machines. Where do you think the people who wrote BSD came from? > Just because hacking is illegal doesn't mean you or I have the right to > judge those individuals who cause no harm and who only seek true > enlightenment through a thourough understanding of buffer overflows. :-) First, hacking isn't illegal. Using resources that don't belong to you - which is what breaking into someone's system is - is illegal. You can do either one without the other, or you can do both at once. Second, you can't take away someone right to pass judgement, all you can do is ignore them. <mike -- Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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