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TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[40.92.42.32:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[40.92.42.32:from]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[yahoo.com,edvax.de,freebsd.org]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 17:03:32 -0000 Excuse me could you clarify I didn't catch that Sent from Outlook Mobile ________________________________ From: Aryeh Friedman Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 10:46:07 AM To: Brandon helsley Cc: Ottavio Caruso ; Polytropon ; Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD Cert On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 12:44 PM Brandon helsley > wrote: Dead as in without a maintainer or as in completely broken? If the second work with the current maintainer if the first just take maint= ainership and if both fix it and take maintainership Sent from Outlook Mobile ________________________________ From: Aryeh Friedman > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 10:43:38 AM To: Brandon helsley > Cc: Ottavio Caruso >; Polytropon >= ; Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions > Subject: Re: FreeBSD Cert On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 12:41 PM Brandon helsley > wrote: Ok I'll check it out and get back to you. Btw there's a broken port called = freetnet. Can it be rescued? How do you go about fixing a broken port? Sort answer: By any means necessary Long answer: Figure out where to get the latest version of the source code = and do what is needed to bring it up to date and submit the port while sayi= ng your taking maintainership (make sure it really is dead first by attempt= ing to contact the old maintainer first) ________________________________ From: Aryeh Friedman > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 10:38:56 AM To: Brandon helsley > Cc: Ottavio Caruso >; Polytropon >= ; Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions > Subject: Re: FreeBSD Cert On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 12:35 PM Brandon helsley > wrote: So if I wanted to port Bote Mail from i2p I would just get the source code = and refer to their licensing on their website and contact them for clarity? You should also read the semi official statement on what is compatible and = what isn't legally (I am not going to summerize it because that is where th= e flamewar on licensing often starts): https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.IS= O8859-1/articles/bsdl-gpl/index.html Sent from Outlook Mobile ________________________________ From: Aryeh Friedman > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 10:07:29 AM To: Brandon helsley > Cc: Ottavio Caruso >; Polytropon >= ; Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions > Subject: Re: FreeBSD Cert On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 12:02 PM Brandon helsley > wrote: I'll take that to mean that I can sign up with as little as I know. I'll de= finitely be very quick to learn. How can I get started? Step 1: Find some program that you think should be widely available to the = FreeBSD community Step 2: Make sure it legally compatible with FreeBSD and it's licensing mod= el (I am not going to get into how to this to avoid starting a flame war) Step 3: Get the source code for the program Step 4: Using hand compiling (or how ever it wants to be built) get it to c= ompile/install cleanly including noting all the other ports it depends on Step 5: Use the port system to automate step 4 Step 6: Submit it to the bug tracking system as a new port so as to mark it= ready for a committer to review and commit it Step 7: Make any changes the committer suggests Step 8: Committer commits it and it is now officially a port ________________________________ From: Aryeh Friedman > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 9:57:30 AM To: Brandon helsley > Cc: Ottavio Caruso >; Polytropon >= ; Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions > Subject: Re: FreeBSD Cert On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 11:53 AM Brandon helsley > wrote: Good to know, then I'll take it up to learn the basics. And to be a committ= er? Does that require skills? 1. The reason I suggested some of the things I have written but not made in= to ports yet is I wrote them on FreeBSD so there is little or no programmin= g required to make them work as port (if there is then I did my job wrong)= and thus you can learn porting from the ground up and then move to harder = things that require programming 2. Being a committer is mostly being trusted by other committers to not things up when you put it in the master repository. Mostly this come= s from maintaining a lot of ports and showing superior knowledge of the por= ting system along with being suitably risk adverse when updating the master= repo. Sent from Outlook Mobile ________________________________ From: Aryeh Friedman > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 9:48:39 AM To: Brandon helsley > Cc: Ottavio Caruso >; Polytropon >= ; Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions > Subject: Re: FreeBSD Cert On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 11:36 AM Brandon helsley > wrote: How much experience is necessarry? I don't know anything about computers but got freebsd as a project to learn= as much as possible. If I were to get involved does "teaching the ropes" a= t all possibly include learning other things like networking and possibly a= nd hopefully learning how to port software? A lot of times (but by far from all the time) porting requires at least bas= ic programming skills since you often need to find parts of the code that a= re incompatible with FreeBSD and make them compatible (you then include a p= atch for the work in the port files). Sent from Outlook Mobile ________________________________ From: Aryeh Friedman > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 8:33:10 AM To: Brandon helsley > Cc: Ottavio Caruso >; Polytropon >= ; Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions > Subject: Re: FreeBSD Cert On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 8:39 AM Brandon helsley > wrote: What about port maintainership. Or port mentee? What Is it exactly. Good le= arning experience? Yes/no/maybe is it worth and is it a good learning experience. A port maintainer as Mathew said is resonible for keeping a port in good wo= rking order visa vie FreeBSD. A good example is when I took over maintaine= rship of devel/aegis it was to update to the latest released version (the o= riginal author passed away in 2014 and no one has picked up the ball to mak= e new versions since despite a small group of hardcore users [including my = self]) and all was good then when FreeBSD started to phase out the preferen= ce for GCC I had to make some patches to make it work with LLVM, etc. Taking over a dead port is likely not as good of an learning experience as = making and maintaining a new one. Contact me privately I have some ideas = for stuff that can and should be ports that I haven't had time for (mostly = side projects relating to PetiteCloud that I can maintain via aegis but not= via ports due to not making the translation scripts completely yet) -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org