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Date:      Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:13:30 +0100
From:      Wilko Bulte <wilko@yedi.iaf.nl>
To:        Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
Cc:        Matthew Dillon <dillon@apollo.backplane.com>, Peter Jeremy <peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au>, FreeBSD current users <FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: DLTs, disconnection and hangs--solved (was: Recent current hangs frequently for 1 to 2 seconds.)
Message-ID:  <19991222211330.E833@yedi.iaf.nl>
In-Reply-To: <19991222093755.A60684@freebie.lemis.com>; from grog@lemis.com on Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 09:37:55AM %2B1030
References:  <19991221100727.A52224@yedi.iaf.nl> <19991219143759.C465@freebie.lemis.com> <199912190416.UAA01125@apollo.backplane.com> <19991221095213.L440@freebie.lemis.com> <199912210019.QAA62510@apollo.backplane.com> <19991221110148.N440@freebie.lemis.com> <199912210108.RAA62736@apollo.backplane.com> <99Dec21.123129est.40326@border.alcanet.com.au> <199912212004.MAA80595@apollo.backplane.com> <19991222093755.A60684@freebie.lemis.com>

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On Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 09:37:55AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote:
> On Tuesday, 21 December 1999 at 10:07:28 +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 05:08:27PM -0800, Matthew Dillon wrote:
> >>> It's possible you might be on to something.  I've been running iostat
> >>> at 1 second intervals, and during the last hang I saw:

> >>     * Not properly terminate the SCSI bus (especially when mixing
> >>       bus architectures.  For example, a tape drive may only
> >>       half-terminate a wide SCSI bus.  Never use a tape drive to
> >>       terminate a SCSI bus, not even an older SCSI bus.
> >
> > As has been discussed many times already: use external terminators attached
> > to the cable. SCSI termination is not difficult, it is just made that way
> > by some :(
> 
> Who said this?
> 
>   There is nothing magic about SCSI cabling.  There are sound
>   technical reasons why they occasionally require the sacrifice of a
>   young goat.

Not me, but it sounds familiar. But really: using good stuff to start with
saves you a lot heartburn down the road.

> > A more interesting question would be if the DLT drive has a more or less
> > recent firmware loaded.
> 
> The discussion's worthwhile, but remember that I have had this when
> the DLT wasn't running as well.  How do I find the firmware release?
> Is that the supplementary information (CC1E) in the dmesg output?

Yep. CC1E breaks down into:

	0xCC = drive revision = servo code = 204
	0x1E = scsi/r\w code               = 30

Obviously the last byte is the more interesting one.

>   sa1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 3 lun 0
>   sa1: <Quantum DLT4000 CC1E> Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device 
>   sa1: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15)

Mine is:

 sa2: <DEC TZ88     (C) DEC D473> Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device

I'm not sure if the DEC f/w revs correlate 1:1 with Quantum revs though.
(NB TZ88 == DLT4000)

W/
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Wilko Bulte 		Arnhem, The Netherlands	  - The FreeBSD Project 
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