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Date:      Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:10:24 +0100
From:      Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com>
To:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Cc:        Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de>
Subject:   Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it?
Message-ID:  <20150218191024.1c819e5d@archlinux>
In-Reply-To: <20150218190012.d865cbdf.freebsd@edvax.de>
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:00:12 +0100, Polytropon wrote:
>On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 02:02:43 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> Actually criminal investigation departments seems to be unable to
>> recover all the data that was deleted by a simple rm command, even on
>> journaling file systems. Why is it recommended to mount read only, as
>> soon as possible, if we lose data, to be able to recover that data?
>
>Because they use expensive and certified software,
>highly recommended by qualified and certified
>consultants, which are also expensive. The highly
>sophisticated equipment is only accessed by a very
>restricted set of professional officers who can
>already distinguish the left mouse button from the
>right mouse button and have been trained (by skilled
>and certified educators) to click on little pictures.
>This approach is safe, because there are procedures,
>and those are certified. Nothing can go unnoticed,
>as all involved parts are free of any imaginable
>error or misbehaviour: the software is idiot-proof,
>and the officers are... highly qualified experts.
>Our tax money at work. So what do you expect? :-)

Unfortunately I can't disagree :(.

>> The NSA is able to recover all the data that was deleted all over the
>> world even by a shred command on a non-journaling FS? If so, the NSA
>> isn't willing to give hints against child molesters and other
>> criminals, because the NSA is the watchdog of more important crimes?
>> That's grotesque.
>
>Any organisation has to carefully define its priorities,
>and when the NSA states: "We could undelete those files,
>and a child molester has been arrested as a result", the
>society would scream in fear because they would begin to
>admit the thought that everything which is possible WILL
>BE DONE (no matter if we are able to recognize it in the
>first place). Also keep in mind: there's a difference
>between "to protect" and "to investigate" - and put that
>into context with defining priorities...
>
>In the end, anti-forensics is where the "real criminals"
>are actually really good at. :-)

Unfortunately I can't disagree with this too :(.

Isn't it a shame?



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