Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 03:02:45 -0700 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com> To: Joe Greco <jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some recent changes to GENERIC Message-ID: <8244.837079365@time.cdrom.com> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 10 Jul 1996 23:17:28 CDT." <199607110417.XAA26888@brasil.moneng.mei.com>
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> I don't appreciate your tone. The feeling's mutual, Joe. I think it's better if we don't communicate directly anymore and, while I'll not do something as churlish as killfile you, I'd prefer that you make that unnecessary by simply not sending me any mail. As to your contributions mouldering, all I can say is that I'm genuinely sorry to hear that's been your experience. Yes, whatever problems I may have with you or your approach to feeding back on problems, I don't like to see contributions ignored from anyone and, in the case of your ppp extensions to getty, I actually thought it was a pretty neat idea and one I'd like to see out there serving ISPs. It was not, however, in my area of the system at all and and I was thus simply waiting for someone else more involved with ppp (or at least getty) to review and/or commit them. As to my being in or out of touch with the FreeBSD user base, all I can really say is that I received *as many* replies from people saying "yeah, kill sio2 and sio3 - they're waste in GENERIC!" as I did from people defending them, and before I even touched a line of that file I talked to our Principle Architect on the phone and said "David, do you think these should go?" and he said "They should go, they have no place being there" (or words to that basic effect). As far as I remember, we did give David final say in matters like this and it was hardly something I just decided to race off and do without telling anyone. What's more, far from being unresponsive to feedback or good compromise as you suggest, we have evolved instead to a point where we not only have sio2 and sio3 but psm0 also, using the config changes I brought over from -current. This all took, what, maybe 24 hours out of your life but you seem to have found enough time during that period to make a total nuisance out of yourself and alienate me so thoroughly that you might as well send all future mails to /dev/null as send them to me. Frankly, that seems a rather foolish display of impatience and one entirely out of line consider that not ME who's kept your commits out of the tree and I don't deserve your impatience for that. Finally, if your commits have been log-jamming up in a way that's NOT consistent with the experience of many of the other contributors who've come along since well after you did (and you're free to ask some of our "young committers" for their experiences pre-commit access) then perhaps your communications skills should be examined since we clearly wouldn't have any new commits if we turned away *everyone* as you claim you have been - what makes you so special? Jordan
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