Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 09:14:17 +0700 From: Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@nsu.ru> To: Kevin Oberman <rkoberman@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Lars Engels <lars.engels@0x20.net>, Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de>, Eitan Adler <lists@eitanadler.com>, hackers@freebsd.org, dteske@freebsd.org, Jordan Hubbard <jkh@mail.turbofuzz.com>, "current@freebsd.org" <current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Leaving the Desktop Market Message-ID: <20140403021417.GA50938@regency.nsu.ru> In-Reply-To: <CAN6yY1vivPPbbjaC36zQiWwqPqhON_3NbAydwBeiehYsjkPLHg@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAF6rxgkeBozvfV-L0%2BrFZ6fWRn0=Gi3BNq1kPL=-HTq0TD6MkQ@mail.gmail.com> <A70900DF-4BAA-427F-8731-01211FFD1887@mail.turbofuzz.com> <20140401094044.GX44074@e-new.0x20.net> <083e01cf4db9$f8f4e040$eadea0c0$@FreeBSD.org> <20140401174302.GU44074@e-new.0x20.net> <20140401195006.GA1368@tiny-r255948> <CAN6yY1vivPPbbjaC36zQiWwqPqhON_3NbAydwBeiehYsjkPLHg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 03:10:22PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: > FreeBSD desktop since 3.3 (makes me a newbie!) I really dislike pulseaudio > and have managed to live without it. Firefox works fine without it. > Unfortunately they dropped OSS support a while go, so I now must use alsa, > but it works well and without the pain of dealing with pulseaudio, a > solution in search of a problem it I ever saw one. PA should just die, of course, just like that kid's other "products". OSS is so nice; it supports all those nifty features like per-application mixing and stuff, we have a very strong implementation of it (kudos to ariff@, let me remind us all: http://people.freebsd.org/~ariff/SOUND_4.TXT.html). Giving Firerox back its OSS support is my on TODO list, unfortunately I do not have any idea when (or if) I can look at it, but that would be a nice step in dealsificaion of our Ports Collection. OSS was, and should remain, the standard Unixish sound system API. > Audio output is pretty system dependent, but I had little problem getting > my audio to auto-switch to headphones when I plugged them in. The setup is > a bit ugly,but I only had to check the available PINs (ugly, ugly) and set > up stuff once. It just works. Not always, unfortunately. I also had a working pin override configuration in /boot/loader.conf, but after r236750 (major snd_hda driver rewrite) it stopped working. I've reported it and tried to get some support from mav@ but he never replied. Since then, I have to carry pre-r236750 version of snd_hda(4) to have working sound. > Power is an issue and I find the current defaults suck. Read mav's article > on the subject on the wiki. >From reading that article, I've only added hw.pci.do_power_nodriver="3" and hw.pci.do_power_resume="0" to /boot/loader.conf. More aggressive settings, like cx_lowest="C2", made my laptop very sluggish and unpleasant to operate; powerd(8) behaves sanely with no tuning, so I wouldn't say that our current defaults suck. The reason why we're behind on the "green" lane is because we generally do not pay much attention when it comes to power-saving during development of FreeBSD. (I'd like to be proven wrong.) ./danfe
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