From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mon Dec 18 19:52:11 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEE3EE81DE6 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 19:52:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-io0-x229.google.com (mail-io0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70A756BE07 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 19:52:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-io0-x229.google.com with SMTP id f18so6010209ioh.1 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 11:52:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=w2RPu64x/rdD3shTbFTu30cjpcQNe18tsOz96HZS91Y=; b=aMLLie3S5oShjSmjk57quNSBxwXUAgSZS6HsffIVMVVQ6QpyXUqKPw6ApxaILgAAwC MBueqX8Ch9rw5DWIFN2J5rlNf9iPxy/kTeJ9bOI1TXjwjxOHCktqQKNPwzAD4l+YHI9t 5GD87vE4eBfkMZ2AcjMuqndOhYwM+BW2yOrtSxl06mUd3brIXUiM8q7tjPnaN4D3peut C9Y5GXeCilIL04hjUrjkWbKaBKQCp8k+g3dX3TGcqQ1mJ1E6h9WaNyHlgmka0OFGMowh 0gZRHwI+f0KAdfPJP4J/fg4kDtubOwpAti3WQ1LkFJywxQl2DoRnNrU+tSP21NGUaH/a WwpQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=w2RPu64x/rdD3shTbFTu30cjpcQNe18tsOz96HZS91Y=; b=ruBuC2sRRN5OpgJ6y5DjgVNzrNAPgWV8Ef63OrSoowIkcMvfqACKbfvQGe+62Tx3MM qK8BwX76tyaHAHK0mFfDR8KlFKSNGdLg0nz099Jpw6fPaSEvjFPkP90s1iHaWCOsP70J rbA8frv9TyPwWsCaXaoEQcPxgnLl2+ys6Vk3HNkpZASOCNtnvP1NlW0lSl0abesQH2Eo 6orTLnGhYHLpBSU393sn4OvWChlGICtRcQ30eYllicMUsR6nK3SFvepM1I24626lWScn H5dYETS/6sUYhhATftBb+gHicPe/gvlqf72vK0p9AocidO9FtBV0pjAMeVSA16Voes1I utJA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mI6lACcQa4SAUDSOi5nGwFFNLm/EbGuQLUoxtNmcqJ++iwDn2ck 9GTYd5/mHKxHO4CBO7r3pxRkzuVpvUGFOcu4v483OA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBotytGt81hyC4+dKHCYdSJtS2+gMKtOePGjpO1AloUhaW+9i3wwx7P+bx61hMPi1Zcv2Emx6GXTkzt1LrrzKpw4= X-Received: by 10.107.48.197 with SMTP id w188mr1069938iow.301.1513626730439; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 11:52:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 10.79.108.204 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 11:52:09 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [2603:300b:6:5100:1052:acc7:f9de:2b6d] In-Reply-To: <20171218185446.GA98@netbsd.org> References: <201712161949.vBGJnnMR008332@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> <20171218011847.GA12528@panix.com> <20171218185446.GA98@netbsd.org> From: Warner Losh Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 12:52:09 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ddnwbx8Ly1BZ_eG7UkmOS2e-k1s Message-ID: Subject: Re: Objections to converting bsd-family-tree to a dot file To: David Holland Cc: Thor Lancelot Simon , Eitan Adler , tech-misc@netbsd.org, Kernel@dragonflybsd.org, FreeBSD Hackers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 19:52:11 -0000 On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 11:54 AM, David Holland wrote: > On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 08:18:47PM -0500, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: > > > > I have seen no presentation of a reasonable way to view the > > > > graph in plain text. > > > > > > > > > I have no personal experience with it, but a quick Google search says > > > there are programs based on the Graph::Easy library that can > > > render DOT files as ASCII. > > > > And we have to pull what exactly into base or comp to use "Graph::Easy"? > > My vote would be to ship it in base as SVG and PDF, and forget the > text version. This is 2017 and everyone has a PDF reader of some kind > in their UI somewhere. > > (and yes, maybe we ought to be able to read PDFs in base, but that's > far from a critical issue) > Assuming that the generated graph is something that isn't... well... crazy... Warner