From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Jun 22 3: 8:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from shell.wgops.com (dsl092-002-178.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.2.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9E237B4A3 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 03:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by shell.wgops.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 6BC0E2114B; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 03:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.1.2.207] (unknown [10.1.2.207]) by shell.wgops.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798E62112E; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 03:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 03:07:45 -0700 From: Michael Loftis To: Benjamin Krueger Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's it going to take??? Message-ID: <153702192.1024715265@[10.1.2.207]> In-Reply-To: <20020622023748.A10435@mail.seattleFenix.net> References: <20020622023748.A10435@mail.seattleFenix.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.1 (Win32 Demo) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,SUBJ_ENDS_IN_Q_MARK,SUBJ_HAS_Q_MARK version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --On Saturday, June 22, 2002 2:37 AM -0700 Benjamin Krueger wrote: > Have you taken steps to contact the fellows and inform them that they > are infected with email virii before attempting to have their entire ISPs > blackholed? Recieving a few annoying email virii does not typically > constitute "SPAM" and most certainly does not warrant a MAPS entry. Even > if the virii are intentional, the correct response would be to let his > ISP's abuse@ and local authorities handle the problem. I always cotnact abuse@ first. xs4all has a first rate abuse deptmnt, and they always make sure to look at things. Also MAPS does not normally blackhole entire blocks. It takes total ignoring of all attempts at contacting (Repeatedly) or getting them to fix it beore that happens. An RBL entry won't even happen until after someone @MAPS has contacted the ISP and end user (where appropriate). > I find it highly disturbing that folks have come to regard SPAM > blackholing as an appropriate reaction to all sorts of behavior which are > not SPAM related. Note MAPS name is Maile ABUSE Prevention Services. The blackhole is primarily for spammers but networks full of virus infected systems or cracked systems (open relays of sorts) can make their way onto the lists too if they. Also note that most DSL blocks fall under the terms of DUL because they are dynamically allocated, some don't though, and I'm not certain of the specifics there @ xs4all for that block (I'm assuming static for now though). In any event they have taken care of it, and another oen, I'm forwarding the two ticket items to the list in case anyone is interested. Loftis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message