From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 28 17:37:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ports@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6760D16A425; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:37:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: from tinker.exit.com (tinker.exit.com [206.223.0.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513A643D58; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:36:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: from [206.223.0.5] (realtime [206.223.0.5]) by tinker.exit.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6SHawVX096629; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:36:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Message-ID: <42E917BA.10406@exit.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:36:58 -0700 From: Frank Mayhar User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050725) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roman Neuhauser References: <42E81050.7090305@cs.tu-berlin.de> <66A226C3557B48ED535E3FED@utd59514.utdallas.edu> <20050727230523.GB54954@isis.sigpipe.cz> <20050728154248.GA943@zi025.glhnet.mhn.de> <20050728164111.GA66015@isis.sigpipe.cz> In-Reply-To: <20050728164111.GA66015@isis.sigpipe.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.1/995/Wed Jul 27 13:13:50 2005 on tinker.exit.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Paul Schmehl , Simon Barner , Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: New port with maintainer ports@FreeBSD.org [was: Question about maintainers] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:37:00 -0000 Roman Neuhauser wrote: > The policy makers won, everybody else lost. Bullshit. Remember that you're getting all of this for _free_. You are benefiting from the hard work of many others and yet you complain when you are asked to contribute work yourself. In my case, I take it for granted that if I update a port there's a damned good chance that I will be the stuckee for future problems with that port. I guess I've worked as a software engineer for long enough that I expect to exhibit a certain level of professionalism. This means supporting my code, even if the system/subsystem/application in question didn't originally have my name on it. I personally sympathize far more with the folks who are trying to maintain this stuff than with those who whine that they shouldn't be expected to actually support the stuff that they have submitted. In my clearly NSH opinion, FreeBSD is better off without the unmaintained/broken/obsolete ports. At least until someone feels strongly enough to pick them up and maintain them. I _certainly_ think that a port submitted with a maintainer of 'ports@freebsd.org' should hit the bit bucket immediately and never see the light of day. If it's important enough to submit, it should be important enough to maintain. -- Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/