From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 17 6:43:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from h24-67-61-12.lb.shawcable.net (h24-67-61-12.lb.shawcable.net [24.67.61.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13B0937B401 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 06:42:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@home.com) Received: by h24-67-61-12.lb.shawcable.net (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 5CB4D66B00E; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 07:35:05 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 07:35:05 -0600 From: Chris Moline To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: System Tuning/Sysadmins Message-ID: <20010617073505.B20171@h24-67-61-12.lb.shawcable.net> References: <20010617063505.A29241@shell.monmouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010617063505.A29241@shell.monmouth.com>; from pechter@shell.monmouth.com on Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 06:35:05AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 06:35:05AM -0400, Bill/Carolyn Pechter wrote: > Try and find good Unix folks these days. > I'm in Holmdel, New Jersey and even with AT&T and Bell Labs > laying off tons of folks Unix trained sysadmins with more than a > minimal exposure to Linux or Unix are impossible to find. > > Let's get real. Universities and Colleges are not training > Unix sysadmins. They're not getting trained in tech schools -- > which are turning out Cisco and Windows certifications galore. > > The type of person who mucks with systems for fun is rare and > often you just can't find them when you want them. (Want to work > here in New Jersey at Ureach... send me resumes) From over here it's I would love to be a unix sysadmin but can't find anyone who does training and someone who's willing to hire. I would apply to you but I don't have the experience. > > That's why Solaris and SVR4 has gotten easier to tune. AT&T > made a decision to have the boot -r reconfigure /dev and do the > MAKEDEV automatically. Edit /etc/master and rebuild the kernel. > Heck no, run this gui-like tool and we'll rebuild it for you and > you can skip all the headaches... we'll even update the boot > pointers to the new kernel for you. > > It's been a long time since I built Xelos on a Concurrent 3230 > box... I remember compiling and linking the kernel in a ram disk > in order to begin the process of loading the stuff to disk. > > Most folks forget just how Admin-unfriendly Unix was back in the > bad old days. Need a new device driver -- rebuild and relink > everything -- no demand loading of drivers. Compare this to > proprietary vendor OS's of the time. > > Easier tuning would not be a bad thing... just it's a shame what > passes for Admin and Operations staff these days. > > Most of these guys couldn't add a user to Solaris without > useradd and admintool. > > Let 'em just try it with vi... and watch the fun. > Some don't know the difference between /etc/inetd.conf and > /etc/services. Making the os easier to use is not a bad thing. I am learning how to code and the interface is one of the things I am trying to improve. I know the diff between inetd.conf and services and I know how to add a user with vi but I don't see how this is any better than using a gui. What's wrong with using an easier to use tool?? If it does everything you need then I say it's good enough. Chris Moline To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message