From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 9 19:44:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF06616A46B for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:44:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@chuckr.org) Received: from mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF65A13C465 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:44:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@chuckr.org) Received: (qmail 26203 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2008 19:44:10 -0000 Received: from april.chuckr.org (chuckr@[66.92.151.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 9 Jan 2008 19:44:09 -0000 Message-ID: <47852320.9040009@chuckr.org> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:40:16 -0500 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071107) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stuart Barkley References: <478409A4.60709@chuckr.org> <20080108193023.B70212@freeman.4gh.net> In-Reply-To: <20080108193023.B70212@freeman.4gh.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sound works, but how? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:44:10 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Stuart Barkley wrote: > On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 at 18:39 -0500, Chuck Robey wrote: > >> Anyhow, I have a Motherboard with a AD1988b sound chip (it's >> hda/Azalia). I have both the sound, snd_hda, and the oss sound kld'd >> in. and an ossinfo seems to like things, > > Are you trying to use the FreeBSD sound system or the OSS sound system > (http://www.opensound.com)? It sounds like you might be using the OSS > drivers (from the later reference to /dev/oss/hdaudio0/pcm0). This is going to sound like I'm being cute, but believe me, I'm not ... I don't know what it means to use the snd_hda, I mean, when I run this alone, I see no sound devices pop up for me to vector sound in/out to. Because of that, I went ahead and also ran oss. If you can tell me how to run the snd_hda alone, I will try it immediately. > >> As a GUI, I run gnome, and things like all the various gnome beeps, >> blips and moans come out as designed, so I think that a lot of sound >> works. > > Some of the GUIs will grab /dev/dsp preventing other applications from > using it at the same time. Is esound (esd) running? Does anything > have /dev/dsp (or /dev/oss/hdaudio0/pcm0) open? You might try: > > # lsof | egrep -i "dsp|pcm" > OK. lsof gave me the return: gam_serve 28160 chuckr 390r VREG 0,104 2255 2008768 /usr/local/share/mimelnk/audio/x-adpcm.desktop I think that's not opening pcm or dsp directly, but I found the process owned by gam_server, and sent it a HUP, but that only resulted in 3 gam_server processes. Trying to kill them gave me 5 gam_servers, after which I abandoned that strategy. Anyhow, lsof didn't show anything opening pcm or dsp directly. > The FreeBSD drivers now support virtual channels which really helps > deal with multiple applications all wanting to bleep and groan. I put > the following in /etc/sysctl.conf: > > hw.snd.maxautovchans=8 > hw.snd.targetirqrate=30 > hw.snd.verbose=2 Man, I really hate to play with things that I don't know how they work. The only docs I have been able to find on any of the vchan stuff is that section 7.2.3 of the manual, which is a whole long way from being complete. Even giving a really complete discription of the sysctl oids inside hw.snd would be helpful. Like, I just tried doing "sysctl -a | grep hw.snd" and sysctl tells me it hasn't got any such oid. Great. I have no docs, and sysctl tells me it hasnt' any such oid. I'm afraid if I just experiment blindly in /etc/sysctl with what you're showing me, I might be blowing things up, but I don't see a lot of choice. You know, when I tried running sound and snd_hda alone, I found no sound type devices in /dev. the snd_hda man page doesn't tell me which ones to look for, could yo umaybe offer me some help in that direction? I begin to wonder if I shouldn't be runnig snd_hda and oss together. Maybe, I am going to have to sit and read all the code. > > I don't know if the OSS drivers support this functionality. > >> My problem is, no other sound playing works now. For instance, I >> used to be able to play mp3's with either xmms or mpg123, but now, >> they neither of them work. I've experimented with a pretty wide >> array of sound tools, nothing works. The errors come in two flavors >> ... mostly, they complain that they weren't able to open the >> /dev/dsp0 which seems fine, it's a softlink here to >> /dev/oss/hdaudio0/pcm0, > > Without virtual channel support this is the type of message you will > see if something already has the sound device open (under any of its > various names). > >> [...] >> >> Am I using the right device, which is that dsp0 link, which is >> created by the oss driver? is that device able to be opened by both >> the GUI and othjer progs at the same time? > > In general the best device to try is /dev/dsp (even if it doesn't show > as a file in /dev). > > Without the FreeBSD virtual channel support the FreeBSD drivers will > only allow a single application to open the device at a time. > >> Seems stupid not to allow the GUI to share the device, right? > > It takes something to mediate the various sample rates, data bit > depths and mixing the digital data streams from multiple applications. > Audiophiles may not like the simple sample rate conversion performed > and many prefer not having that behavior on their high end devices. > > FreeBSD virtual channels does this and doesn't require special support > in every application. I've been a much happier camper since this > support has stabilized. > > esound is another thing which attempts to do this, but all > applications need to be built against it. It's possible you built > some ports before you built gnome and that they didn't all get rebuilt > with esound support. > >> Am I right to run both snd_hda and the oss hda modules both at the >> same time? Or should I use oss alone? > > I suspect you should only be using one or the other. I have not > recently tried the OSS drivers. > >> I've tried this both as a regular user and as root, to get past the >> permission problem (I wasn't sure) but could it still, somehow, be a >> permission problem? > > You should also try without any GUI running. Either run from a > console window or ssh into the system from another system. mpg123 > will run from the command line. With the virtual channel support you > should be able to run mpg123 in two different terminal sessions > playing two different files. > > Stuart Barkley > http://www.4gh.net/tudor/resume.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHhSMgz62J6PPcoOkRApuTAJ9ubsdhSPTyBINaSVAlal8SgaN70wCeIFUJ pw+fqqsSWTRicSZ8bTvqwkQ= =DOXM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----