From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 3 15:45:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0B1E57C for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 15:45:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-f42.google.com (mail-la0-f42.google.com [209.85.215.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35BE2E5A for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 15:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f42.google.com with SMTP id mk6so1297393lab.29 for ; Fri, 03 Oct 2014 08:45:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=rcGnqRviK+hN6mO5A/wwymxKgmm3WGsyJWXvLpzEcpo=; b=R+9hsZkU0qqZhwXRiJPn1IqkrEw++MXDao2cnRW7tF0atSTmX6tqITCTk+DLB1snnI XH4rZwFsgnfsqrsvZymv0301eUwfmUkZBgu0IZEpVkYNHhEVrwHIZNcbhzxd6MNOhhTq ywLCKFWLCxqW/czg3obaegR3Oe77C64uYcOUEh0dPF7ZTP4mZGbPlrmS9X9sJ2zfvp2C pARdx+IVebhoHvDHynvnEdfsZ9lGE3Uz3KvrofRbirgZgD03FMfldb0vDPo/TEW/f1DL yq7R0rSHLad9TcF7NOY0iuS4dFvplz2HG2tF3iDHMhIQZ4t/lFGZXX0SvbO6VwSWuB62 Wbeg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkbujndEz+75Tmgr/YprnBN72I5G6kNCLl52uJA1lU4IaBC+gnXz7vapAjmdQZZdRiZz99D X-Received: by 10.112.34.78 with SMTP id x14mr6656038lbi.38.1412351122138; Fri, 03 Oct 2014 08:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zealot.ksu.ru ([46.42.170.234]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id sd10sm2805574lbb.8.2014.10.03.08.45.20 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Oct 2014 08:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <542EC48E.2000507@li.ru> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 19:45:18 +0400 From: "Marat N.Afanasyev" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/31.0 SeaMonkey/2.28 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?SmVhbi1Tw6liYXN0aWVuIFDDqWRyb24=?= , Claude Buisson , Baptiste Daroussin , ports@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org, "freebsd-x11@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Removal of legacy X.Org (aka non-WITH_NEW_XORG) References: <20141003083051.GA52332@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <542E6606.9050205@orange.fr> <542E6B4D.10208@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <542E6B4D.10208@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms060003070901020500040508" X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 15:45:31 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms060003070901020500040508 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jean-S=C3=A9bastien P=C3=A9dron wrote: > On 03.10.2014 11:01, Claude Buisson wrote: >> NVIDIA does not exist in your world ? > > Hi! > > You're right, we forgot to mention NVIDIA. > > The NVIDIA port installs its own bits from the kernel module to the > specific libGL.so. The notion of "UMS/KMS" doesn't exist and the port i= s > made to work with all versions of FreeBSD and X.Org server. Therefore, > NVIDIA users are not impacted by this change at all. > I think that old X stack should not be dropped until at least, GPU=20 locking problem is resolved, what we can say about Xorg stability under=20 FreeBSD if one should reset one's desktop every week or so with lots of=20 lost files? I cannot really use KMS drivers at all because of this=20 problem. I've lost enough data while trying to test radeon kms, and I=20 cannot switch from old xorg to new one. 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