From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri May 1 01:32:07 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D45E2CE622 for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 01:32:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from slim.berklix.org (slim.berklix.org [94.185.90.68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "slim.berklix.org", Issuer "slim.berklix.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Cvqn6x9mz4KBr; Fri, 1 May 2020 01:32:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DDB7209.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.219.114.9]) (authenticated bits=128) by slim.berklix.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 0411VrCI030919 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 1 May 2020 03:32:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id 0411Vq3I062545; Fri, 1 May 2020 03:31:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 0411VYl9083901; Fri, 1 May 2020 03:31:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <202005010131.0411VYl9083901@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Matthias Andree cc: FreeBSD Ports , Greg Veldman , ports-committers Subject: Re: mail/mailman v3? From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com/jhs http://stolenvotes.uk User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-From: http://www.berklix.org/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message "Wed, 29 Apr 2020 22:22:02 +0200." Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 03:31:34 +0200 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Cvqn6x9mz4KBr X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jhs@berklix.com has no SPF policy when checking 94.185.90.68) smtp.mailfrom=jhs@berklix.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.61 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.17)[-0.171,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[berklix.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.88)[0.876,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[68.90.185.94.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:33824, ipnet:94.185.88.0/22, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (0.02), ipnet: 94.185.88.0/22(0.01), asn: 33824(-0.00), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 01:32:07 -0000 Matthias Andree wrote: > Am 29.04.20 um 17:00 schrieb Julian H. Stacey: > > Greg Veldman wrote ports@: > >> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 01:02:14PM -0700, Chris wrote: > >>> It also wouldn't be that difficult to simply modify mailman(2) > >>> to adopt the py3.x language changes. > >> > >> To simply make it work, perhaps not. To make it work well and > >> be reliable... might be more difficult than you think. A large > >> chunk of what a mail handler of any variety does is text > >> processing, and there are significant differences in that area > >> in Python2 vs Python3. E.g. ASCII vs Unicode. You'd likely > >> be opening a Pandora's box of corner cases and workarounds when > >> $STUPIDLY_FORMATTED_MAIL_MESSAGE_OF_THE_HOUR comes through. > >> > >> The effort would probably be better spent enhancing Mailman3, > >> since that's the future of the project anyway. > >> > >> Also, as someone that's been a Mailman site admin on installs > >> of various sizes for about the past 20 years, I'm sort of looking > >> forward to the promises of some of the little quirks of Mailman2 > >> getting some love. ;-) > > > > Hi ports@ > > > > This may be tangential to aboveon python versions, but: > > ports/mail/mailman supports Mailman2. > > Mailman2 & Mailman3 are very different. > > > > Even if it's possible to bend ports/mail/mailman to support Mailman3 > > Please do not do it; keep it clean for just Mailman2 > > (Else it would cause big run time problems for user admins (inc. me)). > > > > Any who will want Mailman3 should please clone ports/mail/mailman to > > ports/mail/mailman3 (not ports/mail/mailman2) & work there. Thanks > > Julian, > > and adding portmgr@ in bcc: > > mailman 3 says on the tin that it is a DIFFERENT product, different > codebase (rewritten from scratch), different and modular architecture, > everything. No shared code with mailman 2. > > So I, as mail/mailman maintainer, propose: > > - NO "svn copy". mailman 3 will be a new port and that must be > reflected in the repo. No descendence => no svn copy. > > - NO rename. We should NOT rename mail/mailman (2.x) to .../mailman2 > because mailman 3 is NOT a 1:1 replacement for mailman 2. > > As current maintainer of the mail/mailman port, I am planning along the > two points above. > > > Re Python 2.x EOL, if someone made a Tauthon port (yeah portmgr@ yell me > down for writing that thought), and we can still get mailman 2.1.x > security updates, we might give it a spin on Tauthon 2.8 instead of > Python 2.7 to have something in the interim while mailman 3 matures. Thanks Mathias, sounds fine, leave it to you :-) PS I've not the foggiest what Tauthon is , so searched https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=Tauthon&go=Go&ns0=1 The page "Tauthon" does not exist. cd /usr/ports ; cd */*tauthon* # */*tauthon*: No match. https://forums.freebsd.org/tags/tauthon/- Cheers -- Julian Stacey, Consultant Systems Engineer, BSD Linux http://berklix.com/jhs/ http://www.berklix.org/corona/#masks 150 Euro fine or tie 2 handkerchiefs ? http://www.bbc.com/news/business-52304821 Brexit Dec. 2020 will hit UK more.