From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 18 19:48:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA87E106566C for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 19:48:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 564678FC16 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 19:48:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yic13 with SMTP id 13so1812872yic.13 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.146.221.14 with SMTP id t14mr5818898yag.36.1311018529336; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (twdp-174-109-142-001.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.142.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i61sm3384209yhe.75.2011.07.18.12.48.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3RHw6l1rXZz2CG4g for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:48:46 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110718154846.4f152525@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20110718165808.1f7f42b7.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20110717071059.25971662@scorpio> <4E23F31C.3010803@pathscale.com> <20110718073000.29e89590@scorpio> <20110718134903.993b87f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110718095759.476bf349@scorpio> <20110718165808.1f7f42b7.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 19:48:50 -0000 On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:58:08 +0200 Polytropon articulated: > Here the circle closes: Without STANDARDS, you wouldn't > be able to view the digital pictures you took with a > camera 10 years ago because the manufacturer decided > to use a proprietary image format without any documentation, > as you should only use the software supplied by the > manufacturer. Dropping program version X and advertising > version Y with the new models of the digital camera, > and everything you'll have is a bunch of files nobody > can read anymore. You can also see this in computer > media, although with a lower half-life period. > > If you want to get into the future, rely on established, > open and free standards. > > In my opinion, there is no alternative. Everything else > would just increase costs (e. g. migration costs). But > there are fields of use where costs simply doesn't matter > (as it seems). I apologize for cherry picking this; however, your analysis is so faulty that I was force to. You camera analogy is simply absurd. You were aware that Kodak dropped the C22 development process decades ago which effectively make all films designed for that process useless. It also spelled then end of GAF, but that is another story. KODACHROME Film was discontinues after a 74 year run. Actually, it was created due to Kodak's inability to properly stabilize the layers in the color film it was trying to create; but that is another story. I still have several collector's grade cameras that used films such as the 116 and 616 designations. These films were discontinued in 1984. Should I sue Kodak, or any other manufacturer for their failure to continue support for these devices? When wan the last time you purchased a new Polaroid? News Flash: It was discontinued. Now, can you guess why? Perhaps you have noticed people using cameras that don't apparently use any film. You might want to investigate that further. You will find that newer technology supersedes and eventually obsoletes older technology. The point is, time moves on and technology advances. To continue to keep an industry shackled to an out dated protocol simple because some user, somewhere, sometime, may actually use it would only serve to enervate the software and hardware industry. Further more, this would serve to invigorate a cottage industry based on creating applications that could be used to "convert" such files to a newer format. Actually, several such programs exist now. I really hate the way "standard" is used by so many FOSS users. They use it as a shied against innovation. Rather than embrace newer technologies, they throw up the "standard" shield and claim that product "A" (product being anything your want it to designate) is bad because it doesn't follow some arbitrary standard. A product will stand or fall on its own merits. To insist that any product follow any strict guide lines effectively removes the developer's ability to improve upon or create new or better products. In my own country, we had the basis for HD TV back in the early 80's. I know individuals who were working with RCA at the time. Yet, it took 30 years for the industry to finally dump the existing framework and basically start over, You see Poly, sometimes you do have to change, unless you want to go the way of the dinosaur. Now, if this had been a FOSS project, we would still be watching B&W TV on a big 19" screen. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+fbsd@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html