From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 29 00:03:32 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA06014 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 00:03:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from vip.cybercity.dk (www.cybercity.dk [194.16.56.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA06007 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 00:03:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com by vip.cybercity.dk via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) id JAA02706; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 09:03:13 +0100 Received: from localhost.tfs.com (localhost.tfs.com [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA17322; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 09:03:16 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: critter.tfs.com: Host localhost.tfs.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Michael Smith cc: grog@lemis.de, cosmos@misery.bssc.org, hackers@freebsd.org, jack@cdrom.com Subject: Re: HELP!!! THIS IS AN EMERGENCY (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 Dec 1995 13:02:41 +1030." <199512290232.NAA04925@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 09:03:16 +0100 Message-ID: <17320.820224196@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Poul-Henning Kamp stands accused of saying: > > > >> The "best" solution to the basic problem (no Jordan, no wolves this time 8 ) > >> would be better detection/interoperation with BIOS extenders. This is > >> kinda problematic though, as none of the deep-down disk hackers consider I DE > >> worthy of their spit, and the technical aspects of the problem are > >> pretty hairy. > > > > As the one who spent a lot more than I liked, of time I didn't have, on > > getting this particular area of sysinstall working, I kind of resent that > > remark, quite a lot in fact :-( > > Sorry; I'd still hold to the assertion that you don't consider IDE worth > your spit, but that you spent the time because you consider FreeBSD is. Well, only one of my FreeBSD machines are SCSI, so I think you need to reconsider... > > I am also on the ata/atapi mailing-list and I can comfortably say that > > this entire area is so impossible to handle intelligently and correctly > > in all cases, that I'm seriously tempted to not even touch it again, ever. > > Hmm. Somehow I don't think we could get away with making FreeBSD an > IDE-free zone, but it would be nice. I'm not talking about an IDE free zone, but about a "We support the following vanilla config, anything else is on your own risk". > > I) a copy of Ontrack Diskmanager version 6.X > > * J) a copy of Ontrack Diskmanager version 7.X > > * .... You get the idea... > > This in particular is the "idea" that's most important in this context; > it would be nice even just to have an enumerated list of the other > products of this type that in use. Well, do you have any idea how much >I< would like that list ??? > > I personally have 12+ years of OS installation, and have learned that > > if I have anything on the disks I care about, I will back it up first, > > and I will read any information from the install program very very > > carefully, with a very paranoid attitude. > > But instilling this into the mind of a WareZ-crazed ftp-head is _very_hard_. > 8( true. Not that I care too much about that category of user anyway :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so.