From owner-freebsd-current Tue Dec 10 16:23:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553EE37B401; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:23:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.gnf.org (ns2.gnf.org [63.196.132.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5897843EA9; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:23:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gtetlow@gnf.org) Received: from EXCHCLUSTER01.lj.gnf.org (exch02.lj.gnf.org [172.25.10.20]) by ns2.gnf.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gBB0A1tk035215; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:10:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gtetlow@gnf.org) Received: from roark.gnf.org ([172.25.24.15]) by EXCHCLUSTER01.lj.gnf.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:23:21 -0800 Received: from roark.gnf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by roark.gnf.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB0NLa7055045; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:23:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gtetlow@gnf.org) Received: (from gtetlow@localhost) by roark.gnf.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gBB0NJ1p055044; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:23:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gtetlow) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:23:18 -0800 From: Gordon Tetlow To: Mike Makonnen Cc: "Daniel C. Sobral" , current@freebsd.org, obrien@freebsd.org, Doug Barton Subject: Re: RC NG, ntp and routed Message-ID: <20021211002318.GT45512@roark.gnf.org> References: <3DF4996E.1040706@tcoip.com.br> <20021210024350.GC16008@matrix.identd.net> <20021210162208.GJ45512@roark.gnf.org> <3DF61DE4.9070205@tcoip.com.br> <20021210225014.GA22267@matrix.identd.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LmUdgXdNLPkN/XLh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021210225014.GA22267@matrix.identd.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2002 00:23:21.0983 (UTC) FILETIME=[832420F0:01C2A0AB] Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --LmUdgXdNLPkN/XLh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 02:50:14PM -0800, Mike Makonnen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 03:01:24PM -0200, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > > On another note, I thought the patch a bit excessive. Here, I just adde= d=20 > > BEFORE: ntpd to routed. OTOH, it seems that patch did a bit more. >=20 > It's not excessive. It's the correct solution.=20 > Your solution solves your specific problem but it's > not the right way to go about solving the problem. It's kind of hard to > explain, you have to work with it for a while to get the hang of it. For > some things it might be easier _and_ right to say this must come before > that. In this case; however, ntpd requires that routing be available as = a=20 > prerequisite, but there's no real relationship that exists between > the two that necessitates routed having to know about ntpd. If we were > to follow your example to its logical conclusion the BEFORE line for > the routing daemons would have to include _every_ daemon that requires > network availability. I think in this case it would be more correct to > have the network daemons REQUIRE the routing daemons. Does that make > sense? Ideally, ntpd should require NETWORKING and that should solve all problems. The real problem is that routed is included with DAEMON, not NETWORKING. I think that's the real problem and judging that routed is in /sbin, we could probably move it there without a problem. -gordon --LmUdgXdNLPkN/XLh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE99oV2Ru2t9DV9ZfsRAknCAKCSXr/yZY1TCSjPvC95KA25iHqH+gCdH/ic J/zZNfzsHQPtTYFRip3g2bs= =iHEQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LmUdgXdNLPkN/XLh-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message