From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 6 19:03:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id TAA12292 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 6 Jan 1995 19:03:16 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA12284 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 1995 19:03:12 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA13555; Fri, 6 Jan 1995 19:00:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: cg@FIMP01.fim.uni-linz.ac.at cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: guest account: Yggdrasil information In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 06 Jan 95 18:50:28 +0100." <199501061750.SAA00134@uhura> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 1995 19:00:04 -0800 Message-ID: <13554.789447604@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > 1. We have to make configuring as easy as possible for those users, who > never want to look 'behind the scenes'. There should be a way to install > and configure FreeBSD for *non-experts*! Well, I think we all agree to this, what we really need to agree on is the *framework*. How does this all-singing and all-dancing configuration environment work? Scripts? Some sort of TCL based tool? What? We've had a few abortive attempts at this in the past, but nothing that anybody could ever really use to build a complete configuration management system! > 2. It's a matter of fact, that all popular OS use GUIs (OS/2, Windows, > Apple, NextStep, ...). So why don't we use X right after the installation > to communicate with the user (yes, I know X needs lot of space, but > if we shrink X to a minimum it's perhaps possible?). So install a minimum > OS on the HD, copy a small X version to the disk, and start the X server. The problem is not one of space - the problem is getting X up and working on a user's system! This still remains one of the hardest parts of a general FreeBSD install, and until the XFRee86 Project, Inc comes up with something more _seamless_, it's rather difficult to count on having X available on any users system! :-( > I also think, that - in future - only a couple of users will install > an OS from disks. The installation medium will be the CD-ROM. That'd be nice.. :-) > 3. All configuration (administration) tools should look and work the same > way. I myself hate to have 10 tools and 10 different ways to install these > things (eg. some use a DOS program, some need MS Windows; or: look at > named, inetd, nfs or even passwd, where I can configure every tool when > I understand and know the correct syntax of its ascii-file: it's impossibl Framework! Framework! Somebody needs to write this kind of framework! :-) Jordan