From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 22 06:00:40 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F20982C6B3D for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 06:00:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c100034b2d9e.e0bdfad098494f247a9035507930abeb@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 496VCq6cJzz3FWs for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 06:00:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c100034b2d9e.e0bdfad098494f247a9035507930abeb@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1587535240; x=1590127240; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=39U5lKDluEDrNlt6+JuavXKxpd8J1wgT7uy+L/ta0u8=; b=d6/z7Tl4RpHchq40391N0g/1PioaDkaD2Y4CLaNcCEawvukpE9iEXXROSSKmvC2grraidgCd0oN3dxEt5NvB6cAnOcr26CG92YRIOltiwgQwxP9tyD0EJG8s71Kt6CxaDatUNtOnyyBNwVP18Vo+wWiQ57sbympj9rwLaNkyiSI= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMTAwMDM0YjJkOWUuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r4.h.in.socketlabs.com (s1-b40f.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.180.15]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 22 Apr 2020 02:00:30 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r4.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 22 Apr 2020 02:00:29 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jR8Qu-000GFR-8S for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 07:00:28 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 07:00:28 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wayland on FreeBSD Message-Id: <20200422070028.30dd2fb16ccae9b6d9cde901@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20200422023243.GA81187@neutralgood.org> References: <5058973.kMyvyFPq5o@amos> <20200421150741.28dd6309.freebsd@edvax.de> <24223.11679.688616.192643@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20200422023243.GA81187@neutralgood.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 496VCq6cJzz3FWs X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=d6/z7Tl4; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c100034b2d9e.e0bdfad098494f247a9035507930abeb@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c100034b2d9e.e0bdfad098494f247a9035507930abeb@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.63 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.972,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.992,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; IP_SCORE(0.03)[ip: (-0.23), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(0.32), asn: 7381(0.12), country: US(-0.05)]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c100034b2d9e.e0bdfad098494f247a9035507930abeb@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c100034b2d9e.e0bdfad098494f247a9035507930abeb@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 06:00:41 -0000 On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 22:32:43 -0400 "Kevin P. Neal" wrote: > I thought I read that Wayland considers access over the network to be a > solved problem without having to build it into the lowest levels of the > graphics stack. Remote Desktop, VNC, etc., all give network access. To a desktop not to an application. > What > you miss is intermingling of windows from several machines. But is that > such a common use case that it should be designed for from the start? I use it often enough that I'd miss it, the authors of ssh found it useful enough to add ssh -X and ssh -Y to support using it. So yes I think there's common use of it. It seems there's a waypipe that can achieve this for Wayland, one day if tuits appear I might get round to trying it. > Oh, and is XWayland still a thing? Or the other way around? Yes to both, Xwayland is still a thing and run by default and you can run Wayland as an X client. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith