From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 17 19:39:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B288F106566B for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:39:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout011.mac.com (asmtpout011.mac.com [17.148.16.86]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D62D8FC15 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:39:55 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.227.140.124]) by asmtp011.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KT900M6PQLVW540@asmtp011.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:39:32 -0800 (PST) Message-id: From: Chuck Swiger To: Bill Moran In-reply-to: <20091117132720.24167377.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:39:31 -0800 References: <151588.70409.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20091117185114.2580bf71.freebsd@edvax.de> <20091117132720.24167377.wmoran@potentialtech.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E1nielisz_L=E1szl=F3?= , FreeBSD - Subject: Re: hdd voltage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:39:55 -0000 Hi, all-- On Nov 17, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Bill Moran wrote: [ ... ] > Not all power supplies are created equal. Unfortunately, there's > no government oversight on power supply ratings, thus a cheap 450W > power supply might go unstable if it has to supply 200W for very > long, whereas a good quality 200W power supply might be able to > put out 450W for short periods reliably. A very good-quality power supply with a thermally activated circuit breaker might tolerate a 250% overload for 20 seconds to a minute, but anything with a fuse is likely to blow in some tens of milliseconds. :-) There are some widely used standards for computer power supplies; almost all modern machines want ATX12V which is used by Intel P4s, Core, etc and AMD Athlon, Athon64 platforms. Multicore boxes commonly want another extension to the base ATX standard called EPS12V; both are well-documented here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATX The other major standard in 80-plus certification, which is linked to Energy Star ratings; if you discount the branding, they still perform functional tests of PSUs at 20%, 50% and 100% of rated load, and confirm that the PSU isn't wasting excessive amounts of power. Saving 20-30 watts over time justifies the cost of a more expensive PSU, and it doesn't hurt that the machine doesn't have to deal with the extra thermal load. For example: http://www.80plus.org/manu/psu/psu_reports/CORSAIR_CMPSU-650HX_ECOS%201632_650W_Report.pdf Any new PSU which isn't 80-plus certified is pretty likely to be unable to run at 100% of rated load without failing. > Additionally, are you sure your service power is good? Even the > best power supply will fail if you're not getting 120V/60H at the > outlet (or whatever voltage/freq you're supposed to get in your part > of the world). This is also a good point. If you know what you're doing and have a multimeter, you can check your AC line and look for various issues like voltage sag under load, current leakage to ground, etc. Failing that, something like this Kill-A-Watt meter is quite handy: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882715001 ...although, obviously, one would want to obtain a unit intended for the local region's electrical standards if you are not in NA. Regards, -- -Chuck