From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Tue Apr 19 20:36:30 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97011B151BA for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:36:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790621967 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:36:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 72D22B151B7; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:36:30 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727E0B151B6 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:36:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x22e.google.com (mail-io0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F22B1965; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:36:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id g185so31765697ioa.2; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:36:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=CN/kTqaUoV3Cnav66Hqe99EH53lxHbmcZ4wbZ9TxIJY=; b=GdaMNA6CHS9cUt6y/h2Il5FZmUkmTJHucCldBdAeBGFLVYRcI3cyf3P1bTv3WjLLXS +hOS+gyMTrkyY6wDlgKrUTb8aJ8Pz7s8iSftWA60A40bYDnZF8KAtQV3SCsl/rGV227x pVWG35YpUBlNYg4FwGxaYqV0Btxb+/yBk/tpMBuIFHA7MiFLBPl+k0JtCPcmzYzOGDj4 ZRdLPm2ERxkfSU0HPwq2zRhnnVL1qkNXO3OdNngHlCmpH+B6GtuAHWmA/3trURw1QZE9 f3Fai3pRN1aS3IVjSAQR6S1TZvtQqYxJU/xlk0FGxnB1FwUnEs91rPUTE0mo3LkbnWG0 x6/A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=CN/kTqaUoV3Cnav66Hqe99EH53lxHbmcZ4wbZ9TxIJY=; b=XUq6qI4DyjYejdsKH8nO2vRCHtLPAKEnpw0WjQdjWeNQERiAMSlB/Bh3NdbvixkzmH ennnwaJFrneFGvFeOS4cH4pZxUKmqmzR3lCrxQG6IRCKU0W1kw3xLdfiUmsfSukD6fzp 5aN8nHbRzrX1NIw8D0kT8Jdu13SJFkWBQYh030xjFXybqTmo+4DmRMS3LNOh+AKuB+1p Eb5yij0TsTBYmbDnz6vT/8WxE+zcowha/wIGgo7RSh3HP0oi66mwBHtqB4QzwvfAR4nX BsisZ5v6Ch4ADiewtJgdxJbk+z/GIRpjonn3JY5SMqB3OujFZLys2ESGsLx/vq3yH3SH 3ipA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FXtayEOywvwZud0EUPvfPUN4KlmCtE2cnS5qyeTFaWUD1lSTTs2ScNh6NAWQbWBx3tIPeUF5Sa9L2PfjQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.48.131 with SMTP id w125mr5597359iow.123.1461098189670; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.14.19 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:36:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <76177.1461097581@critter.freebsd.dk> References: <76093.1461096570@critter.freebsd.dk> <1461096962.1232.32.camel@freebsd.org> <76177.1461097581@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:36:29 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8) From: Adrian Chadd To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: Ian Lepore , jbtakk@iherebuywisely.com, current Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:36:30 -0000 It's cool. I have positive and negative reactions, and I'm totally happy to let people try it out at a larger scale and learn from mistakes. Because, honestly - fuck it, we've been behind for too long. We need more mature tools and knowledge with this. The irony of course is the people rolling out docker are doing it after finding that OS packages aren't the best granularity, but "whatever the package systems in the software stack we're using, and then tar the whole mess up and distribute it" method. Kinda like FreeBSD.... -adrian