From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 14:06:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5CA1065678 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:06:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C388FC16 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:06:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so1672198vws.13 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:06:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=LgHZQ8ikaqde1M1iX88NAFD59/SCCS8PRRRLSc5nHq4=; b=BaSkAaihf5+muSMWR8hQIGLxpfVgFZjA19GDCTwxlO2Kba29mFMEDCtnXRAye3ykRu wbeNc8XqWlADUPpBbmkoS/FJwZOq0ggCbFnizGs1839tL6BRqW26p5Qr4O9pKfh6IZXj yhDtoxosXcQxqPy5hpUbsFt67GUI9M9ieOa0E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=LdU20OSiSpZsqkUrV7NnMUlHEytkNDdintEbGPxbauaEKrSMAcwzobqg+zqUk9TIb/ ZRO8SQLOPRplSwT2SSa26k9okmJbsV7F6QCCqKg5mdJxHYii0g7rf2cB/Qf21o2fGFjz HtuvhIfUgkyuY3GUnh5TMV30O23C6+6xfxJmA= Received: by 10.52.175.197 with SMTP id cc5mr1273949vdc.287.1308233206362; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skynet.localnet (pool-108-28-47-226.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.28.47.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d34sm254419vbq.19.2011.06.16.07.06.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:06:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Simmons To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 10:06:42 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.6 (Linux/2.6.38-8-generic; KDE/4.6.4; i686; ; ) References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <20110616125219.GK5630@external.screwed.box> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201106161006.42844.rsimmons0@gmail.com> Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rsimmons0@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:06:48 -0000 On Thursday, June 16, 2011 09:22:43 AM Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 16/06/2011 13:52, Peter Vereshagin wrote: > > You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! > > 2011/06/15 17:08:31 -0400 Chris Brennan => To > > Thomas Hansen : CB> FreeBSD is a UNIX-like clone, which is indeed free, > > whereas UNIX is CB> still the proprietary property of AT&T/Bell Labs. > > > > unix is a trademark of novell.com. > > Unix (note capitalization) is actually a trademark of the Open Group: > http://www.unix.org/ > > It's been owned by them for more than ten years, but it was passed > around between various owners quite a bit before that. I think the confusion that you all are having is between the idea of "copyright" and "trademark". They are different. Copyright applies to the code base, and trademark applies to the usage of the word UNIX and its associated symbols along with the right to use said symbols once your product complies with a set of specified standards. The copyright for UNIX is owned by Attachmate, which bought Novell recently (which has scared the pants off the OpenSUSE community, but that's a different tale). This has been proven in court. You can see the verdict on groklaw: http://www.groklaw.net/pdf2/Novell-846.pdf Open Group, however, is a completely different animal. They are a trademark certification organization. They do not own the UNIX copyright, they own the trademark and the specification. According to their website, "The Open Group has separated the UNIX trademark from any actual code stream itself, thus allowing multiple implementations." So, if you wanted to call your software "UNIX" you would need to contact Open Group and make sure that your software licences the trademark, and complies with the standard. If you want to use the source code of UNIX itself, you would license that from Attachmate. Groklaw is a good place to start if you want to read about the whole debacle: http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=20040319041857760