Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 03:05:50 -0700 From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> To: "Rahul Siddharthan" <rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in>, "Rich Wilson" <wk633@yahoo.com> Cc: <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: RE: Mundie, Perens, GPL, BSD etc again Message-ID: <001f01c0f3f0$6c73c180$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010612193022.K7519@lpt.ens.fr>
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>-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Rahul >Siddharthan >Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:30 AM >To: Rich Wilson >Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: Mundie, Perens, GPL, BSD etc again > > >Rich Wilson said on Jun 12, 2001 at 09:47:49: >> Aritlce on ZDNet: Is BSD getting lost amid the open source salvos? >> >> Evan Leibovitch has some ideas as to why BSD is so quiet durring >all of this. >> >> http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/main/0,10228,2772296,00.html > >Looks like he's been reading the FreeBSD mailing list archives (he >links to a mail to this list by Ted Mittelstaedt...) and possibly >sites like daily.daemonnews (where the original poster called the >signatories of the Perens letter a "cadre of elitists" and a "clique >of millionaires" [1], has the impression that the BSD people don't >like the Linux people. > >Which is, obviously, not an unjustified impression. Though I have >never understood this attitude. What's the point of fighting linux? >It's not the real enemy (or any kind of enemy). > No, it certainly isn't. But, I think that there's a few members of the Linux community that are inimical to FreeBSD. Self-preservation is a strong point for fighting these folks. >Leibovitch asks why BSD people aren't speaking out. But as I >mentioned in an earlier mail [2], BSD people hardly ever speak out about >broad issues of "free software". It's left to people like Eric >Raymond to talk about BSD while rebutting Mundie [3]. > Eric Raymond is the biggest dumb-shit to walk the face of the earth. Take a look at this quote out of his own lips, from your [3] URL: "...The GPL infects only derivative works of GPLed software -- you have to include part of the source code of a GPLed program in your program..." Notice something there HE USES THE VERB "INFECTS"!!! This is the same fool that in the same breath is bitching because Microsoft is equating the GPL to cancer. He's screaming about the Big Lie soaking into people's pores but he's not realizing that he's spewing exactly what Microsoft wants him to. He's the one describing GPL as a virus here!! Unbelievable!!! >On the other hand, people routinely complain when BSD people aren't >asked to co-sign such letters. I find it not at all surprising that >the "free software community" doesn't have BSD uppermost in mind, >since the BSD community itself likes to stay so aloof from the rest of >the free software world. > When you have people like Eric Raymond and Richard Stallman walking around spewing I guess it's no surprise. Bruce seems to at least have his head on straight as far as the communication process goes, while I disagree with what he says and does I at least respect him. But the other 2 are downright embarrassing. >Also, I don't think BSD is immune from damage merely because Microsoft >was training its guns on the GPL. If Microsoft does succeed in >out-fudding Linux, and if the popularity of the BSDs continues to >increase, the BSD systems will be the next target of the FUD machine, >business-friendly license or not. ("First they came for the Jews...") > Except that your a fool to shoot a gun that points backwards and Microsoft is no fool. If they start fudding BSD then your going to see the world start saying "Gee, why does this piece of Microsoft code still have "Copyright Regents of the University.... embedded in it" and "Gee, why is Microsoft selling MS Office for MacOS X which is a BSD-based OS" and a host of other things. You got to give Microsoft credit for some sense at least they aren't _that_ stupid. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >- Rahul > >[1] http://daily.daemonnews.org/view_story.php3?story_id=1918 > >[2] http://docs.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=80178+0+archive/2001/freebsd-ad vocacy/20010527.freebsd-advocacy [3] http://lwn.net/2001/0607/a/esr-big-lie.php3 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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