From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 15 17:33:03 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEDDEB0253 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:33:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468YSZ63vzz48fC for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:33:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1565890383; x=1568482383; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=mgd/txCWBfRWLwV3/BqJtfEKUErjyupYBWVKSZGvxYw=; b=R6q0jJHKO7PD8NtkLjiJH3u8YaZ+O5s2DQc+xdO1QY5U1EU9lNw4iCxeKhwyILi/9Xix51prBTe0Vr9zu5d4QsHBbMo45HsIa12hIDoLAaM4EQ2dzU+exjIq97CEtv4veinl6Jf2mKzVg4Ouvx5od28rDpBgmN6iw5TqQjgzQZw= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xYjkwMDAwMDAyNGY1Y2QuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com [54.187.94.11]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:32:38 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:32:36 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1hyJc2-000Ljx-Cd for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 18:32:34 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 18:32:34 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox or what? Message-Id: <20190815183234.5bd7ab7e2e426a7ae32c9bfc@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20190815182311.0c845c1b8f03875addc94a5c@gc-24.de> References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <20190812164800.1bc5581b40de9436a977ea02@sohara.org> <875zn22mmc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <871rxorh4y.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <5be8adb1-cf57-9e24-4ce9-27a76cc3ece8@netfence.it> <20190815123705.4ac8a2d8c005971b83a5dceb@gc-24.de> <20190815145117.efd8df68.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190815182311.0c845c1b8f03875addc94a5c@gc-24.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468YSZ63vzz48fC X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=R6q0jJHK; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.97 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.81)[-0.814,0]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.985,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.988,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.18)[ip: (-0.50), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(-0.21), asn: 7381(-0.16), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:33:03 -0000 On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 18:23:11 +0200 hw wrote: > There is no way to describe it quickly. Multiple servers, PXE boot > setups, VLANs and switches from different manufacturers are involved. When you have a problem in a complex setup that you wish to solve the first step (after trying whatever may be obvious and quick to try) should be to reproduce it in the simplest possible setup that you can. Often attempting to do this will reveal the true cause of the problem. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith