From owner-freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Thu Apr 1 10:30:53 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBAFA5C7379 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2021 10:30:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg@unrelenting.technology) Received: from out1.migadu.com (out1.migadu.com [91.121.223.63]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F9zwq5nQcz3KyH for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2021 10:30:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg@unrelenting.technology) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2021 10:30:45 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=unrelenting.technology; s=key1; t=1617273048; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=VSTzDrvjdbp2NWqR4EIAaUbfGS3pMnEA1WFbGDf3H/c=; b=cPUVbPJFX9G1u7BP4wqWSYr05zrHpGOSldU8NfEJXFIVBlRJsVQam9ZyUBiF9qiIYNaEjH kkNuZjO6fJOxA4LKyQP8EZ7jlquK2cpkRSoUaNUZsDVvBUoSEQ7uSGG6RGExYtNhUGUvyE pO6zfBYs8w7oBSRkNUClintU1krLEnrZkt7SOll6RM8f+SRQbkW41ui2ZqgxQxnq7Ql812 DLc6+ZPlgVV6UVB1nkPsPhFl7E1U5m1gXm0PIbt1xorRfqszhj7XhB9IPvNrs27zWJ0YW7 jCG8vHlWZrDBxkOHyGsvivwl3D1pIyiaCESkHvKyOIIpI+Li1iGljIvMIfmY2g== X-Report-Abuse: Please report any abuse attempt to abuse@migadu.com and include these headers. From: Greg V To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Klaus_K=FCchemann?= , freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any good alternative to Raspberry for Arm64? In-Reply-To: <7E683433-883B-4105-9103-AC9C437008FB@googlemail.com> References: <202103310043.12V0hFqg023324@office.dignus.com> <6136F5CE-0E73-4A36-B3B0-CA17C8BEE9AA@unrelenting.technology> <03D4DC97-1F65-4CF3-A85B-6744A401931D@googlemail.com> <48041E50-D673-4855-A8C0-9B45D6BEA739@unrelenting.technology> <7E683433-883B-4105-9103-AC9C437008FB@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <8FB6136B-59BB-4A8F-A33C-DCEE93B3834F@unrelenting.technology> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_OUT X-Migadu-Auth-User: greg@unrelenting.technology X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F9zwq5nQcz3KyH X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=unrelenting.technology header.s=key1 header.b=cPUVbPJF; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=unrelenting.technology; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of greg@unrelenting.technology designates 91.121.223.63 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=greg@unrelenting.technology X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.10 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[91.121.223.63:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[unrelenting.technology:s=key1]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:91.121.223.63]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[91.121.223.63:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[unrelenting.technology:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[unrelenting.technology,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[googlemail.com,freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:91.121.0.0/16, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-arm]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[91.121.223.63:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2021 10:30:53 -0000 On March 31, 2021 6:38:32 PM UTC, "Klaus K=C3=BCchemann" wrote: > >Well, compared to the Lx2k the currently max=2E of 16GB RAM and less core= s of the M1 is something=20 >to think about =E2=80=A6 running native fbsd with 16 cores/64GB RAM seems= to be interesting=E2=80=A6 On the other hand, Apple Firestorm cores have *incredible* single-core per= formance (competitive with AMD Zen 3, even better at some tasks), while the= NXP LX2160 uses good old Arm Cortex-A72 cores, which are, well, quite old = by now =E2=80=93 not nearly that level of performance=2E If you've used an RPi4, MACCHIATObin, or a1 instances in AWS, you know the= ir performance=2E Compared to the newer Graviton2 instances that have Neoverse-N1 cores, the= y look very unimpressive=2E Maybe someday a vendor like NXP would produce a similar affordable standar= ds-compliant SoC with modern Arm Neoverse cores=2E One can dream=E2=80=A6 For now, the only option for relatively affordable big (16-great-cores) ha= rdware at home is AMD=2E