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Date:      Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:36:02 +0400
From:      Boris Samorodov <bsam@ipt.ru>
To:        Maxim Sobolev <sobomax@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        cvs-ports@FreeBSD.org, Jeremy Chadwick <koitsu@FreeBSD.org>, wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, ports-committers@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: ports/net/asterisk Makefile	ports/net/asterisk/files patch-main-utils.c patch-main::utils.c
Message-ID:  <50585389@ipt.ru>
In-Reply-To: <48FD2D0C.5040101@FreeBSD.org> (Maxim Sobolev's message of "Mon\, 20 Oct 2008 18\:14\:52 -0700")
References:  <200810201626.m9KGQFZx016617@repoman.freebsd.org> <48FCBBC5.4070603@FreeBSD.org> <20081020174908.GA9181@icarus.home.lan> <48FCCAB5.5020208@FreeBSD.org> <48FCCC88.6090009@FreeBSD.org> <80995414@ipt.ru> <48FD2D0C.5040101@FreeBSD.org>

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On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:14:52 -0700 Maxim Sobolev wrote:
> Boris Samorodov wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:23:04 -0700 Maxim Sobolev wrote:
> >> Maxim Sobolev wrote:
> >>> Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
> >>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:11:33AM -0700, Maxim Sobolev wrote:
> >>>>> Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
> >>>>>> koitsu      2008-10-20 16:26:15 UTC
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   FreeBSD ports repository
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   Modified files:
> >>>>>>     net/asterisk         Makefile   Added files:
> >>>>>>     net/asterisk/files   patch-main-utils.c   Removed files:
> >>>>>>     net/asterisk/files   patch-main::utils.c   Log:
> >>>>>>   - Follow present-day naming scheme of files/ patches
> >>>>>>   - Increase PORTREVISION
> >>>>> Jeremy,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you have not noticed there is an active maintainer for this
> >>>>> port. I  would appreciate if you run all your changes through
> >>>>> him. This patch  should have been submitted to the Digium bug
> >>>>> tracking system.
> >>>> ports/127829 was filed over 2 weeks ago with no response.  The reporter
> >>>> spoke to me privately (since we were discussing scheduler stuff) and
> >>>> mentioned this PR.  I told him if you did not respond within 2 weeks
> >>>> (maintainer timeout), that I would commit the fix -- he felt it was very
> >>>> urgent to get this done promptly.
> >>> The issue is hardly a critical one and there is no such thing as
> >>> "automatic 2 weeks timeout".
> >
> >> ..."automatic 2 weeks timeout on PRs", I mean.
> >
> >> If you have contacted me privately you would have probably learned
> >> that I am working on update to the port and planning on including this
> >> change into it.
> >
> > I'm not sure what do you mean by "automatic" but those links may give
> > you requested information about 2 weeks timeout on PRs:
> > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/porters-handbook/makefile-maintainer.html
> > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/contributing-ports/maintain-port.html

> <quote>
> Changes to the port will be sent to the maintainer of a port for a
> review and an approval before being committed. If the maintainer does
> not respond to an update request after two weeks (excluding major
> public holidays), then that is considered a maintainer timeout, and
> the update may be made without explicit maintainer approval.
> </quote>

> <quote>
> Wait

> At some stage a committer will deal with your PR. It may take minutes,
> or it may take weeks - so please be patient.
> </quote>

> Nothing here says 2 weeks timeout somehow should apply to assigned
> PRs, in fact quite on contrary.

<quote>
The timeout for non-responsive maintainers is 14 days. After this
period changes may be committed unapproved. They have taken the
trouble to do this for you; so please try to at least respond
promptly. Then review, approve, modify or discuss their changes with
them as soon as possible.
</quote>

Nothing says that there is difference between maintainers
non-committers and maintainers which are committers.

> In other words open and assigned PR is not equivalent of request of
> approval IMHO.

The problem is that many (at least ports) PRs are auto-assigned
now. And if there is no responce from a committer no one can be sure
if the committer is aware of the PR.

> Imagine somebody just going to the PR database and
> starting commit everything that has been in queue for more than 2
> weeks. I bet it will piss lot of people off.

BTW, thanks for maintaining this port, much appreciated.


WBR
-- 
bsam



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