From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Tue Apr 19 20:41:49 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9347B154FD for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:41:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kmacybsd@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C765A186B for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:41:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kmacybsd@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id C2CA4B154FC; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:41:49 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C26C9B154FB for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:41:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kmacybsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x229.google.com (mail-io0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B2D51868; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:41:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kmacybsd@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x229.google.com with SMTP id g185so31912149ioa.2; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:41:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc; bh=Zu5UoypJrOx9OOUs5wnopECBHcn2yGRsdO6uYyjfifA=; b=Tzj/UTS2+JSgEQLZDNjJbu5Xe+errwqKceXvX8xof+HKMtlKHmvpx46L5BJMNcWEBf xMthfWNB7xVJSm7GENwZ8Q+IMkWil3sd7QvfhPAxk9pNAc8/iDoeYxUDGB1jiHFZsKAj MtjWEdqBBWRiGWHsClI1iEPt685Coqc3I+Y2ovmAHD9bFDl8YFo+rATJmeOpdUr5M/Nn ukg/ZtM6x4pO3IEltA3VMkKi11IYkIkIHN3ggymIzguIix6vV6EAqP9VFebfATmUDrd6 BwKEb8ZLLs1UVcRt2qW779TOp7UMuIBsatcEFBGvfckIRZodaSW6Sc0RwSAmAi/CjRsf +RsA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=Zu5UoypJrOx9OOUs5wnopECBHcn2yGRsdO6uYyjfifA=; b=Rx4cV1QMjl0xpRe+1nGMnkAad+7wCxj5+aiqRqaESZQdlUFfJILjUeoOWBEwlhueQR Ldx+UTbHvyrsN3zE11ozMv+ABmVMYYh9oo9BvdrODuPyGOus9+KNafoxRwpWGbhvdsxE jaUSGmvGe08jbOB4lfQJA7/0RLNw4DClasi9B39dTbvWzLH0Sa0KpRnO9INvNxlZBcdM IuaHvgXcK6hoQ6EWF6lUCMpjfQSjcvTkP6hbWUQoO4l7/v9x7U4mrgzfZ6QgS0w1d4qB 8e2j34bTGbvVfDFpR5ZwP07G8Q7s7znChkdO5oJ9/jHhkKIIehwgzyGOQd5y8oDrZ1pM 6Dlg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FWzOvVgOIHeGpkAkSnnLh4dEX5+beADIh6H04HDK5V0/kD3c/YRHYzVeNJ2n9/b41tVrxxf0fI3xr0Rkw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.7.170 with SMTP id g42mr4602312ioi.81.1461098509108; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Sender: kmacybsd@gmail.com Received: by 10.107.6.166 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:41:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <76093.1461096570@critter.freebsd.dk> <1461096962.1232.32.camel@freebsd.org> <76177.1461097581@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:41:49 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8YKJIP2Mh9FdCKydLgHgge1izas Message-ID: Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8) From: "K. Macy" To: Adrian Chadd Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , Ian Lepore , "jbtakk@iherebuywisely.com" , current Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.21 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:41:50 -0000 On Tuesday, April 19, 2016, Adrian Chadd wrote: > It's cool. I have positive and negative reactions, and I'm totally > happy to let people try it out at a larger scale and learn from > mistakes. > > Because, honestly - fuck it, we've been behind for too long. We need > more mature tools and knowledge with this. > > The irony of course is the people rolling out docker are doing it > after finding that OS packages aren't the best granularity, but > "whatever the package systems in the software stack we're using, and > then tar the whole mess up and distribute it" method. Kinda like > FreeBSD.... > > > Those are different, semi-orthogonal problems. Please restate your last paragraph. I can't interpret your intent. -M > > -adrian > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " >