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Date:      Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:50:59 -0700 (MST)
From:      Charlie Sorsby <crs@swcp.com>
To:        questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Help!
Message-ID:  <200503272250.PAA01070@quail.sorsby.org>

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Every time I turn round, someone is telling me that I should update
to a more recent version of freeBSD.  Each time I try, I encounter
nothing but trouble.

Before I even begin:  *CAN* freeBSD be installed on the fourth of
four SCSI disk drives on the second of two SCSI cards?

I know of no way to record the error messages other than with
pencil and paper -- not a very efficient method in this computer
age, especially when one is in the throes of frustration.

I tried some time ago, updating to 4.5, the latest version for
which I have a CDROM.  When I encountered problems and queried this
list, I received a message to the effect that the installer should
quit working after X years.  Perhaps that was tongue in cheek but
it was singularly unhelpful.

So, I continued to use 3.4 which, aside from the fact that I can't
add anything new or update any ports or ... has stood me in good
stead for years.

Finally getting tired of using netscape 4.76 -- I've been unsuccessful
at finding any "modern" browser that I can install under 3.4 --
and having it crashed by "modern" web sites, I decided to try again.
I fetched the floppy images for 4.11 -- I have no interest in 5.x,
4.x is far enough removed from real BSD that I wouldn't go that
route it I had a choice.

Busy with other things, I finally got round to trying an ftp
install today.

Before I proceed, I suppose that I'd best tell you what my system
comprises:

M'board:	Intel D845WN

CPU:		P4, 2.4GHz, 478, 512K, 400MHz FSB

Memory:		Crucial 512MB, 168-pin, DIMM 64Mx64, PC133 SDRAM

Case:		Antec Sonata with Antec "TruePower" supply.

SCSI cards (presently, the Adaptec is in the PCI slot closer to the
CPU):
		Adaptec 2940
		Tekram DC-390U2W

Ethernet;	Intel PRO100S

Disk drives (The first three are on the 2940, the fourth on the
Tekram):
		IBM DORS-32160 WA0A, 2GB (from original system,
			with leftover freeBSD 2.1.5 stuff,
			no longer bootable.)
		Seagate ST34501N 0015, 4GB (with freeBSD 3.4)
		Seagate ST39216N 0010, 9GB (/home -- no OS)
		Seagate ST318517W 0105, 18GB (on which I tried
			to install 4.5 before and 4.11 today.

CDROM drive:	Plextor (don't recall specs.)

Video card:	Matrox Millennium G400, AGP4X, 32MB SGRAM

Oh -- FWIW, I'm also running XFree86 4.1.0 although that should not
be relevant to the installation problem but, like the feller says,
for the sake of completeness...

(I'll append -- at the end of this message -- dmesg from latest
boot after unsuccessful installation to cover anything that I've
forgotten.  This system has simply evolved over the years.)

I hope I won't forget any parts of this; I had to get back to 3.4
in order to be able to do this e-mail.  I got through the fdisk
and disklabel (re)configuration of the fourth disk onto which I
planned to install freeBSD 4.11 (having selected "Standard Install")

Here's what I tried to set up as (Unix) partitions (remember this
is on the 18GB drive):

    /		 128MB		# Thought this should be more than enough
    swap	 512MB
    /usr	4196MB
    /var	 512MB
    /usr/local	4196MB
    /tmp	 512MB
    /spare	# Everything else -- to be disposed of later.

I then proceeded to choose the installation "package" or whatever
it's called -- I chose "ALL" and then replied yes to the query
about installing the ports collection.

I believe that the next query was the choice of installation medium;
I chose (the first) ftp and the first (ftp.freebsd.org?) server in
the list and fetching the bits and pieces began.

Within a very few minutes, the installer complained that it had run
out of space on / -- why it would have tried to fetch everything to
the root partition is beyond me but that's what it said.  Oh --
there was one previous complaint about not being able to create a
swap partition that I'd requested as partition b.  I don't
understand that, either.

Aside (just in case it may be relevant):  Recently, I've not been
able to boot the CDROM.  I had no reason to try when I rebuilt the
system some time ago with the Intel m'board and Antec case.  I
first noticed it some time ago when I tried to install 4.5.  I had
never had a problem with the old Gigabyte m'board system.  As I
said, I don't know if this is relevant but thought I'd better
mention it just in case.

Here's the dmesg output:

Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc.
Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
	The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE #6: Tue Jun 29 08:43:56 MDT 2004
    root@quail.sorsby.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/KERNEL.CRS
Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz
Timecounter "TSC"  frequency 2392250892 Hz
CPU: unknown (2392.25-MHz 686-class CPU)
  Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0xf27  Stepping = 7
  Features=0xbfebfbff<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,<b19>,<b21>,<b22>,MMX,FXSR,<b25>,<b26>,<b27>,<b28>,<b29>,<b31>>
real memory  = 536870912 (524288K bytes)
config> di wdc1
config> di wdc0
config> q
avail memory = 519696384 (507516K bytes)
Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc02e4000.
Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc02e409c.
Probing for devices on PCI bus 0:
chip0: <Host to PCI bridge (vendor=8086 device=1a30)> rev 0x03 on pci0.0.0
chip1: <PCI to PCI bridge (vendor=8086 device=1a31)> rev 0x03 on pci0.1.0
chip2: <PCI to PCI bridge (vendor=8086 device=244e)> rev 0x05 on pci0.30.0
chip3: <PCI to ISA bridge (vendor=8086 device=2440)> rev 0x05 on pci0.31.0
uhci0: <UHCI USB Controller (generic)> rev 0x05 int d irq 11 on pci0.31.2
(New UHCI DeviceId=0x24428086)
uhci1: <UHCI USB Controller (generic)> rev 0x05 int c irq 11 on pci0.31.4
(New UHCI DeviceId=0x24448086)
Probing for devices on PCI bus 1:
vga0: <Matrox model 0525 graphics accelerator> rev 0x04 int a irq 11 on pci1.0.0
Probing for devices on PCI bus 2:
ahc0: <Adaptec 2940 SCSI adapter> rev 0x00 int a irq 9 on pci2.10.0
ahc0: aic7870 Single Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs
ncr0: <ncr 53c895 fast40 wide scsi> rev 0x01 int a irq 11 on pci2.11.0
fxp0: <Intel EtherExpress Pro 10/100B Ethernet> rev 0x0c int a irq 10 on pci2.12.0
fxp0: Ethernet address 00:02:b3:eb:02:ba
Probing for PnP devices:
Probing for devices on the ISA bus:
sc0 on isa
sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0>
atkbdc0 at 0x60-0x6f on motherboard
atkbd0 irq 1 on isa
psm0 irq 12 on isa
psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0
sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa
sio0: type 16550A
sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa
sio1: type 16550A
fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa
fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in
ppc0 at 0x378 irq 7 flags 0x40 on isa
ppc0: Generic chipset (EPP/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode
ppb0: IEEE1284 device found /NIBBLE/ECP
Probing for PnP devices on ppbus0:
ppbus0: <hp deskjet 5550> PRINTER MLC,PCL,PML,DW-PCL,DYN,DESKJET
lpt0: <generic printer> on ppbus 0
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
ppi0: <generic parallel i/o> on ppbus 0
plip0: <PLIP network interface> on ppbus 0
vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 131072 on isa
npx0 on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
usb0: <UHCI USB Controller (generic)>
uhub0 at usb0
uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
usb1: <UHCI USB Controller (generic)>
uhub1 at usb1
uhub1: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhub1: device problem, disabling port 2
Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle
changing root device to da1s1a
da3 at ncr0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
da3: <SEAGATE ST318417W 0105> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device 
da3: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled
da3: 17547MB (35937500 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2237C)
da2 at ahc0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0
da2: <SEAGATE ST39216N 0010> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device 
da2: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15), Tagged Queueing Enabled
da2: 8761MB (17942584 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1116C)
cd0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0
cd0: <PLEXTOR CD-ROM PX-32TS 1.03> Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device 
cd0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15)
cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present
da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 2 lun 0
da1: <SEAGATE ST34501N 0015> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device 
da1: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15), Tagged Queueing Enabled
da1: 4339MB (8887200 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 553C)
da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
da0: <IBM DORS-32160 WA0A> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device 
da0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15), Tagged Queueing Enabled
da0: 2063MB (4226725 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 263C)


Thank you for any help you may be able to provide.

Kindest regards,

Charlie
--  
Charlie Sorsby
        crs@swcp.com
        P. O. Box 1225
        Edgewood, NM 87015
        USA



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