Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:11:20 -0500 (EST) From: mi@aldan.algebra.com To: Maxim Sobolev <sobomax@FreeBSD.org> Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/mail/fetchmail Makefile Message-ID: <200103201811.f2KIBLC48441@misha.privatelabs.com> In-Reply-To: <3AB771DE.23267F9E@FreeBSD.org>
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On 20 Mar, Maxim Sobolev wrote:
= > > Feel free to replace it with correct one. Please avoid introducing
= > > USE_AUTO{MAKE,CONF}, though. I would propose leave it as it, and
= > > submit aclocal.m4 patch to authors (esr?).
= >
= > BTW, with very little patching the port can be built without gmake.
= > Basicly, all they use is the -C <dir> option of gmake, which can be
= > replaced with cd <dir> && make. That's it.
= >
= > -mi
= >
= > P.S> How about "libtool, auto considered harmful"?
=
= Please note that it is not a gnufobia,
Correct. I'm not afraid of gmake :) either. But if it is not needed or
_easily_ avoided, it is better to avoid it. The other things are worse.
= I do not see any problems with gmake/libtool. autoconf is just not
= very bulletproof when there
It's worse than "not very bulletproof". It may cause unexpected breakage
in older systems, where the regular configure and make work just fine.
Many people resented the configure scripts themselves. Autoconf is just
another layer on top of that and from my experience it can be pretty
terrible. It is also rarely usefull -- with the correct arguments and
env-variables given to the configure script, that comes with most of the
software, the script can do its job without being regenerated.
= are several macros with the same name in different .m4 files in
= ${LOCALBASE}/share/aclocal.
Libtool is just plain bad, IMO. It polutes the filesystem with the silly
.lo and .la "pseudo files". It makes it very difficult (if possible) to
test the freshly built binaries prior to installing, etc. And it makes
the build slower. I'm not saying let's BAN it, but I AM advocating we
try to avoid if possible...
-mi
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