Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 07:34:29 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky <freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> To: Gerhard Schmidt <schmidt@ze.tum.de> Cc: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" <steve@sohara.org>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: No Extended Support Version right now? Message-ID: <20180811073429.7b50843f.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> In-Reply-To: <483341c7-9494-8fbc-e981-5cc31c211d32@ze.tum.de> References: <f76c72f0-449b-91e8-b46f-55e9d931d8fc@ze.tum.de> <f6fdd99b-4975-59f3-e0e6-399fb3ad089a@netfence.it> <20180809124130.f0137d22f0634f289f0cf4c3@sohara.org> <483341c7-9494-8fbc-e981-5cc31c211d32@ze.tum.de>
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Hi, On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 17:05:51 +0200 Gerhard Schmidt <schmidt@ze.tum.de> wrote: > Am 09.08.2018 um 13:41 schrieb Steve O'Hara-Smith: > > On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 09:48:19 +0200 > > Andrea Venturoli <ml@netfence.it> wrote: > > > >> Unfortunately it seems "extended support" is gone, so no further > >> release (11.x or whatever) will be such. > > > > Given that 11 will last five years and it is likely that > > 11.<last> will come out well within that period I would say than > > N.<last> is as LTS as it gets. > > Sorry didn't get what you tried to say. > > I don't see that 11.<last> will be out that much before the 5 years > are up. FreeBSD tends to do releases long after the next major is > released. 10.4 got released 1 month after 11.1. > > Even if that will be so in the future right now we have the problem > that we have to upgrade all systems currently running 10.4 to 11.2 > and the ones already running 11.1 two because 11.2 is the only > release out there with more then 3 month support. > > I never updated to a Version before least 2 Month (mostly I waited 3 > Month) after the Release to be sure every minor issue was fixed. Now i > have to go to mainly unproven releases just to stay supported for > Security updates. we try to skip the odd releases. It works some how. Like 10 is near its end but 12 is not out yet. So, running 10 a bit longer or adapting 12 a bit earlier will be our solution. > > Let's go to the future. FreeBSD does a new major release every 2 to 3 > Years and does a minor release every year. Even if the don't do a > minor after the new major is released, you have a maximum of 2 years > on the last release. And at the end of that period the latest release > of the new Major isn't there yet. So you have to update again to a > release that only has roughly a year and 3 month of support left. > > I the past we updated mostly when the new extended support release > was 3 to 6 month old. The new model gives no way of knowing if the > version I'm updating to, will be supported for longer than 1 year. So > nobody can do a serious resource planning other than planning an > update every year. This raises the cost of using FreeBSD considerably. Things nobody thinks here about. Erich
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