From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 10 23:37:05 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF9D1078805 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2018 23:37:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: from mx6-out9.antispamcloud.com (mx6-out9.antispamcloud.com [95.211.2.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A29B80F6C for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2018 23:37:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: from [153.92.8.106] (helo=srv31.niagahoster.com) by mx62.antispamcloud.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1foGwF-0001ml-7k; Sat, 11 Aug 2018 01:36:57 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sumeritec.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender :Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=UHGCq1aYFUzIjUvtgI4clH/X0sUekvl63djfIsyWa30=; b=QLaPEOUUmEaFoOkortBukeIOOO WIfQ/K9T+PGKx0+oaSiVXFyLRW9kD5ZOwJ8qsbJvA17ZGuEKNTFtz8bc1ZGsg4jL/tll8YwWolVhr bNas6DsMf6/4vfjxhefvKtS6unTNSpsvaN/DDcfZYdnSbpyOUd8qIPsSBr6pmTlfcwxaUjtls1ucV +va30TourM8wre9lvoxlbN8m5wgPVw2Y+Y4i/s9m52zpt9jcVDByJM8Mz0H+Lqvq7L/fcthJtldOx KT3SfAN096IF4HqOnN0izt+4+W63275pIu6FFPj6SQW8Nbn1ruQvQvakqapHFwQodSo/oVRPwa+F3 FytNkzfQ==; Received: from [182.1.80.97] (port=61628 helo=X220.sumeritec.com) by srv31.niagahoster.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1foGvP-0006en-UG; Sat, 11 Aug 2018 06:34:36 +0700 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 07:34:29 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Gerhard Schmidt Cc: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: No Extended Support Version right now? Message-ID: <20180811073429.7b50843f.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> In-Reply-To: <483341c7-9494-8fbc-e981-5cc31c211d32@ze.tum.de> References: <20180809124130.f0137d22f0634f289f0cf4c3@sohara.org> <483341c7-9494-8fbc-e981-5cc31c211d32@ze.tum.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AuthUser: freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com X-Originating-IP: 153.92.8.106 X-AntiSpamCloud-Domain: out.niagahoster.com X-AntiSpamCloud-Username: niaga Authentication-Results: antispamcloud.com; auth=pass (login) smtp.auth=niaga@out.niagahoster.com X-AntiSpamCloud-Outgoing-Class: unsure X-AntiSpamCloud-Outgoing-Evidence: Combined (0.29) X-Recommended-Action: accept X-Filter-ID: EX5BVjFpneJeBchSMxfU5tMvpWzb+YZdYdFI/HZYesx602E9L7XzfQH6nu9C/Fh9KJzpNe6xgvOx q3u0UDjvO/TArO60pRSVOCJOWtMqzv68lvR1NkUXiCIJqa9VvKG/YHFuMarv5rB8iql2fxX3i9WZ i5bIIYa9S0h67ZH5SXvViItGz8WIldSaT/oADI3u4pWx7WxWFZpsjT/483ewgu5JfusABNhIyJPP 5Nt4ch8Gwqpyck1l7B6H+O5wact/FHMPEyA05gafMZGwGiJNAwgts4D9rHMwYttlWJ53KUNFN1Mi Jvo7144GK03YqHgHibeRcXFPc8cqkLwvhK2OeezUrQIHG+qb7m6rsUJYqrkBWDoGJ+0yh69KXxwj Ya+s1lKjr5bPbebPOmRT2bIcf8x7BZzVdsrUJ1TjYZWWhhRIvwk+SzBXVEwrOfaE35eVP3PPkAMO qDnlk3PJ0+RlnD3dKxLhoxcmaInYbR5vlqHVuAvhr5K1q2gYP7Ih8AmzTAas0edmB2q/yBRqnQY9 Wn0gkfr9gZNk8zP+i4B7/fwZ8mt1cw3xO4d92gv79zMNfJSBBCR2DZDiEWpSuwB+0+idX4Ts4xdG +C13IyWeZaIKaP92kYvCAgLvXDsJxwwjJnDMxV9leNr3IsZL3Yw+2kXPNc+acx+HGV+RnVzxEWWC +kSmM4tAxl58TOfEEjNEmXruGWa7N54JSUca4pPHdIsEMysPur9wmiDBurOy6iQnq6cHsIo5mrxp ZRr/jz9JaPqx0+93Y7cegIgpCptvKW6/CrNEqgqUViIlzLTqPP6pUcxCvAvkUVYGicJRckdnOyPk zu19ii4PlCQnDEninnEYd4LuseiMLZi1UwuOxReRNkAEETzgfODJrA65N8kZxkjt5aFCBb9ryQ4X Nm74b3uaU7UD02FRg858AaX7/1YhEWyJzIkwSFAW0Pw8uiKeIhm2mdF3K9L2qvwKeZ05uGLGxMOp 3NjyUqIzeAEyy9F2yUFTDGqfxW5pcMNQcc53 X-Report-Abuse-To: spam@quarantine1.antispamcloud.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 23:37:05 -0000 Hi, On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 17:05:51 +0200 Gerhard Schmidt wrote: > Am 09.08.2018 um 13:41 schrieb Steve O'Hara-Smith: > > On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 09:48:19 +0200 > > Andrea Venturoli wrote: > > > >> Unfortunately it seems "extended support" is gone, so no further > >> release (11.x or whatever) will be such. > > > > Given that 11 will last five years and it is likely that > > 11. will come out well within that period I would say than > > N. is as LTS as it gets. > > Sorry didn't get what you tried to say. > > I don't see that 11. will be out that much before the 5 years > are up. FreeBSD tends to do releases long after the next major is > released. 10.4 got released 1 month after 11.1. > > Even if that will be so in the future right now we have the problem > that we have to upgrade all systems currently running 10.4 to 11.2 > and the ones already running 11.1 two because 11.2 is the only > release out there with more then 3 month support. > > I never updated to a Version before least 2 Month (mostly I waited 3 > Month) after the Release to be sure every minor issue was fixed. Now i > have to go to mainly unproven releases just to stay supported for > Security updates. we try to skip the odd releases. It works some how. Like 10 is near its end but 12 is not out yet. So, running 10 a bit longer or adapting 12 a bit earlier will be our solution. > > Let's go to the future. FreeBSD does a new major release every 2 to 3 > Years and does a minor release every year. Even if the don't do a > minor after the new major is released, you have a maximum of 2 years > on the last release. And at the end of that period the latest release > of the new Major isn't there yet. So you have to update again to a > release that only has roughly a year and 3 month of support left. > > I the past we updated mostly when the new extended support release > was 3 to 6 month old. The new model gives no way of knowing if the > version I'm updating to, will be supported for longer than 1 year. So > nobody can do a serious resource planning other than planning an > update every year. This raises the cost of using FreeBSD considerably. Things nobody thinks here about. Erich