Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:45:36 -0800 From: Ade Lovett <ade@FreeBSD.org> To: Aryeh M. Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: results of ports re-engineering survey Message-ID: <19341C6C-BF3A-4DFD-B8DF-87F4E92B0335@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com>
next in thread | previous in thread | raw e-mail | index | archive | help
On Dec 12, 2007, at 01:38 , Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > First of all excuse my language but I have about had it with certain > people... Presumably that would be me. > where the *HELL* do you get the idea that I am attempting to > get other people to do the heavy lifting or have you not learned a > single f***'ing thing from the last 30 years of software engineering > (i.e. involve the user from the very beginning).. And you've involved, at best, 1% of the user base. More likely 0.01%. Do we need to talk statistics again? > I said right in the f***'ing disclaimer that this is not an attempt > to get permission from > anyone to do anything and/or any type of project plan as of yet it is > *ONLY* an attempt to define the problem so that a good (instead of one > I "think" is good) solution can be designed.... I have yet to see any coherent definition that a problem even exists. That's not to say the current situation is perfect, it certainly isn't. Those of "us" that have dealt with the ports tree for any length of time are well aware of its shortcomings. We're also well aware that making anything but baby-step changes along a larger path is destined to failure. Now, if y'all have concrete and plausible solutions for actual problems, we're all ears. But in the meantime, it's just another re- run of "this sucks, it can be done better", without any concrete *proof* of the latter. We *know* it can be done better. We *know* the scaling limits of the current system, and most of us are completely amazed it even still works. If y'all want to make a difference, concepts and ideas we have plenty of. Code talks. -aDe
Want to link to this message? Use this URL: <https://mail-archive.FreeBSD.org/cgi/mid.cgi?19341C6C-BF3A-4DFD-B8DF-87F4E92B0335>