From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 07:30:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1401106564A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:30:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-129.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-129.bluehost.com [67.222.38.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B00D98FC19 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:30:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 19828 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 07:30:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 07:30:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=XtEcqEu/hKQ5pz+MXfBiYqClZrbqqUsI0oRrvcih9hBr5UjnqHJjX3fUIrryey9Pt6XsZEuYRnOdBd1Kp8E/mEvJRVNmj/kSOXCrI2XdmVqrYYxhIe9DorFzI6vVUJbW; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LC7u2-00008l-H7 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:30:07 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:29:39 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:29:39 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215072939.GP5527@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20080716213115.C747F7BC45@ws5-10.us4.outblaze.com> <33958.1216244510@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <494576C8.3020501@paradise.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hHiQ9nAwW5IGN2dL" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <494576C8.3020501@paradise.net.nz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: GPL version 4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:30:08 -0000 --hHiQ9nAwW5IGN2dL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:12:40AM +1300, Mark Kirkwood wrote: > Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: > >On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:31:15 +0800, Morton Harrow said: > > > > =20 > >>I see with pain in my heart that the GPLv3 doesn't actually give the > >>users of GPLv3 software the liberty and freedom the FSF has been > >>fighting for. Instead they are forced to play by the strict set of > >>terms the GPLv3 provides. > >> =20 > > > >You missed an important philosophical point. In Richard Stallman's worl= d=20 > >view, > >it isn't the user's freedoms that matter, it's the *software*s freedom. > > > > =20 >=20 > I don't think it is that bad - the intent is for the software to be=20 > freely available for *people* to use. It is actually about our freedom. If so, it's a failure. I think I still have a stack of Ubuntu CDs that I cannot legally distribute because I don't have the source, and I don't know exactly where to find it, either. My "freedom" to use Kororaa Linux with all its multimedia support was severely curtailed by GNU/FSF legal threats -- and, while I don't actually care to use Kororaa personally, that doesn't change the fact that my freedom to make that decision for myself has been somewhat damaged. The problem is that Stallman and friends have very strange notions about what constitutes "freedom" -- strange, but all too common. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] print substr('Just another Perl hacker', 0, -2); --hHiQ9nAwW5IGN2dL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklGB2MACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXWSgCg8LZ4wwvJMs7hMf3rtA3UVr0a +2oAnRlBd+P/ZtGLj47haeOtwxMU2abl =MBy0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hHiQ9nAwW5IGN2dL--