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Date:      Sat, 31 May 2014 12:44:35 -0600
From:      Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To:        Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org>
Cc:        "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org>, Bernd Walter <ticso@cicely7.cicely.de>, ticso@cicely.de, Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: TRIM on SD cards
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On May 31, 2014, at 12:06 PM, Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> wrote:

> On 31 May 2014 10:49, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> On May 31, 2014, at 11:31 AM, Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> =
wrote:
>>=20
>>> On 31 May 2014 09:45, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> One of the things that I did for images years ago was compressed =
tar files. There was so much variation between CF makers and at the time =
CF geometry was important to the BIOS, so we made our images as tar =
balls. We then had a makefile target that would create a partition on =
the card that was actually there, put boot blocks on it then extract the =
tarball=85  I never have liked DD for creating images, even when LBAs =
ruled the day because you=92d always have to grow/shrink the FS =
afterwards. The only advantage it had was it was easy=85 Perhaps it is =
time to go back to that model? The alternative that wouldn=92t suck too =
bad would be to create variable sized images based on how much data was =
actually present and ensure there are no holes (or minimal holes) in the =
filesystem.
>>>>=20
>>>> Hmmm, if we know WHAT filesystem we=92re dealing with, then we =
could perhaps enhance fsck and/or growfs to BIO_DELETE all the blocks =
that it knows are free, which would be a useful, data-driven approach =
that could ensure we start out with a nicely trimmed FS. Given the =
vagaries of the different kinds of TRIMs and the various translation =
layers we have, that might be the most robust.
>>>=20
>>> Having makefs spit this out would be rather useful.
>>=20
>> I=92m not sure it would be. Any writes to the FS after you create it =
would invalidate the list=85 Far easier to have fsck do it for you any =
time you need it...
>=20
> Sure, but it'd be part of a larger scale image creation and writing
> tool. That way you could ship images that had the sparseness bits in
> them and the tool + growfs can TRIM as appropriate on the installing
> media.

Except why have an extra step when all that metadata is encoded in the =
filesystem itself?

Warner


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