Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 23:48:14 +0100 From: Michel Talon <talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr> To: "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.com> Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools Message-ID: <AC3D1A8F-54AB-4913-AC30-EB9FA5702ED8@lpthe.jussieu.fr>
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--Apple-Mail=_102D913B-49CA-4129-972A-758AABCAA293 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >ports/ is not just for package addicts. I never install packages, >but only build & install from ports/. sqlite junk obstructs >/var/db/pkg being accessed by find & grep to debug breaking ports = builds. As someone who has advocated the use of sqlite to replace the old = "database in the filesystem" several years before it has been implemented by the new package system, = i can only conclude, like Matthew that you are being absurd. The old package system was total = crap, incredibly slow and using system resources in absurd ways. Sqlite obstructs nothing, you = have to spend a couple of minutes learning the basic SQL queries, which is no more difficult that learning = obtuse find and grep options. Moreover i have hard time believing one needs to dissect the package = system (beyond reading the=20 output of pkg info) to debug a port build. One surely needs some = knowledge of make, C, perhaps C++ which is vastly more difficult than figuring how to extract the content = of the sqlite database. Finally i confess i am a package addict. Insisting that people use = packages is the best way to ensure that the ports can indeed be built and that the result works. I have = spent too many hours editing C files and makefiles in the past in the hope of getting something to = build, now i want that it "just works", like it does with the likes of Debian, etc. I am very = grateful to Baptiste, Matthew and al. to the excellent job they have done, finally FreeBSD has a decent = infrastructure for=20 external software. The new package system is fast, efficient, and very = importantly lists all the things it will do before doing them (like Debian apt), which allows = to avoid ruining a working system, a very common occurrence in the old package system. So it does most of = the things that i thought were necessary to come to parity with apt, and is light years ahead of = the old system.=20 -- Michel Talon talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr --Apple-Mail=_102D913B-49CA-4129-972A-758AABCAA293 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIIbzCCA7Yw ggKeoAMCAQICAQMwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwLDELMAkGA1UEBhMCRlIxDTALBgNVBAoTBENOUlMx DjAMBgNVBAMTBUNOUlMyMB4XDTA5MDEyMTA5MDM1MloXDTI5MDEyMDA5MDM1MlowNTELMAkGA1UE BhMCRlIxDTALBgNVBAoTBENOUlMxFzAVBgNVBAMTDkNOUlMyLVN0YW5kYXJkMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG 9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAnKlkarQHIxnDvggIxOIqXe3UKN7+P6DtkkRrFkc1EzeNdKn1 TYPkBRuPCGFM3ndb16n/u2Wdyaw8D/GJe5MioEcPXwa+jnigC3nXQmVhcmOSQIpbZxD61ic+2HdN Hnnbb0sSAFJY4thCBbIzN3fgjWwdvPj28pRYJfeC2YbZXPPYLs39cIkEh+850SrYkoxpLxxSZfpg jxB/zI/5XC4U7UyL4J03uNI8lMpQ/UF63vY87K7svVwW3bDwc5l6gf87M9IAnk2Mxls4LjPDdobK clTbLeIQ/ZJQaJOE7XepiWlRhevglKP5lwgRjCTwD7o4tCzW12xOY/60MZ/vj6ZapQIDAQABo4HZ MIHWMA8GA1UdEwEB/wQFMAMBAf8wHQYDVR0OBBYEFBHj2dFSRxtZsTwbeGZr9KGI7QpbMFQGA1Ud IwRNMEuAFFCXtg33rDMXr/EdRjxrO/8AoOXloTCkLjAsMQswCQYDVQQGEwJGUjENMAsGA1UEChME Q05SUzEOMAwGA1UEAxMFQ05SUzKCAQAwDgYDVR0PAQH/BAQDAgEGMD4GA1UdHwQ3MDUwM6AxoC+G LWh0dHA6Ly9jcmxzLnNlcnZpY2VzLmNucnMuZnIvQ05SUzIvZ2V0ZGVyLmNybDANBgkqhkiG9w0B AQUFAAOCAQEAT+njF+ZMJ/UXalBV6u7PTKq97izddj5ZoC8LaInaQ9AeHSxrEvlnE55lK6SE0jHP gqDK7yLoEGzpzxd8rK2HhUyK4dV7TObZDrKh5CmeIK8PPnu5fyRMMuCI/nrarBZgoXWuiZyKZp2U un6rDiAj7ffHhF2CSBTexNSwxU4sh9SNAxEvNtUpb66ZZxkMjW1aIN/Rn8bLr1XuC8qxWw/vXHT0 80aJY0d+LM6/yDANAEb2GOZsPzB+kG4QjR85Sc+TaevInsJnc69Ki/Z8Qijdpd3tr8lVG2Q/VLxh JhDrkdXp9+7Q9gsL+qaQ3WD0QJ0Lp5z4zi8hOP6rBr/aDXf6ZzCCBLEwggOZoAMCAQICAlA7MA0G CSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAMDUxCzAJBgNVBAYTAkZSMQ0wCwYDVQQKEwRDTlJTMRcwFQYDVQQDEw5DTlJT Mi1TdGFuZGFyZDAeFw0xMjA0MjQxMTE2MDJaFw0xNDA0MjQxMTE2MDJaMGwxCzAJBgNVBAYTAkZS MQ0wCwYDVQQKEwRDTlJTMRAwDgYDVQQLEwdVTVI3NTg5MRUwEwYDVQQDEwxNaWNoZWwgVGFsb24x JTAjBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWFnRhbG9uQGxwdGhlLmp1c3NpZXUuZnIwggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUA A4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQDgBxV/HgKdmPL6b8jVvUTR1SWD0aKiqo5WtdQqBIcmN2/dNqXbNt9YNznR Y4KLzV8VIFSj4WqDfzxCx6Xxulww7iwP8FE+Mt9NEQFtYoh9yZdokMTPQgYQ/sJTbvTSLK2f9IRV HCTnJkG1jRLzNKp9T+jbLpauKNX97jAzGFa5pqip0ARGduLmVTSEY4yDzgMjUXT/ghrA+emngSBW RDMj2nbcvPi5UqvbHv6oC/HrSl8YiN7zck9A7sWQqw8Dkzi7y5Az9cHaK5baoDJsmXtJjdE2poJU QFgj+qw5v1//rzWao6vF1Y2YuALbDk2rY0FGbHKBvQdUIOd9FPWVHcDhAgMBAAGjggGSMIIBjjAM BgNVHRMBAf8EAjAAMBEGCWCGSAGG+EIBAQQEAwIEsDAOBgNVHQ8BAf8EBAMCBeAwegYJYIZIAYb4 QgENBG0Wa0NlcnRpZmljYXQgQ05SUzItU3RhbmRhcmQuIFBvdXIgdG91dGUgaW5mb3JtYXRpb24g c2UgcmVwb3J0ZXIg4CBodHRwOi8vaWdjLnNlcnZpY2VzLmNucnMuZnIvQ05SUzItU3RhbmRhcmQv MB0GA1UdDgQWBBQVwmDyLZNTeQ9+lLkAnYAWHPUEyTBUBgNVHSMETTBLgBQR49nRUkcbWbE8G3hm a/ShiO0KW6EwpC4wLDELMAkGA1UEBhMCRlIxDTALBgNVBAoTBENOUlMxDjAMBgNVBAMTBUNOUlMy ggEDMCEGA1UdEQQaMBiBFnRhbG9uQGxwdGhlLmp1c3NpZXUuZnIwRwYDVR0fBEAwPjA8oDqgOIY2 aHR0cDovL2NybHMuc2VydmljZXMuY25ycy5mci9DTlJTMi1TdGFuZGFyZC9nZXRkZXIuY3JsMA0G CSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4IBAQBZqTWOw11I3rblql8PEPHhnPntu2IEg9DQRgP8jucvURw8KpZ7s94W 4hP13kmDhqGC4/St/XH4IlT86L64Zqt3toUoncLPjBfBYmQWGUgC08qhhuopLqsE1uvkdg5IX0bz RqOpEeybEpdrWrTs5DmGycZf93C1ud8PTLhSQYjYhGPfrOw5/3RNUQvL1yZK4ZaqzWucmvT9fjMW h24ofSN0sJyrBTInv30CzauKlIacgBtTfaMyQkoR1tch3hn57UI9w0/Ad5ywkdgFbA7PVBO12Bsi WHNpHVk1muWUYaGLYE7L4rvx1klv2uS+yQ7aJ1De9MtFy655R//GaJJlgfLvMYICXDCCAlgCAQEw OzA1MQswCQYDVQQGEwJGUjENMAsGA1UEChMEQ05SUzEXMBUGA1UEAxMOQ05SUzItU3RhbmRhcmQC AlA7MAkGBSsOAwIaBQCggfcwGAYJKoZIhvcNAQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUx DxcNMTQwMjA1MjI0ODE1WjAjBgkqhkiG9w0BCQQxFgQU/jphGFqZb2A6Pu654EFH9WUhxGUwSgYJ KwYBBAGCNxAEMT0wOzA1MQswCQYDVQQGEwJGUjENMAsGA1UEChMEQ05SUzEXMBUGA1UEAxMOQ05S UzItU3RhbmRhcmQCAlA7MEwGCyqGSIb3DQEJEAILMT2gOzA1MQswCQYDVQQGEwJGUjENMAsGA1UE ChMEQ05SUzEXMBUGA1UEAxMOQ05SUzItU3RhbmRhcmQCAlA7MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUABIIBAJ+I DSb/CQv1PTIN4zF9uzhKcTTbLFO1Uht+RbKoPD2fSxTph9rplx8GjQxySLeA2FQkWQk7whjZrZjP Oi9c/SM5znAv7kFz1lHuevCJ/229O1ZcWoRYkGTil8cR7Hs+9P4TIJ++WmHWtAM0GD10q6mebgEa ne6fkXKDFwzi4N48/9qsT2fdstrmgxRdCPzy/SZtsHKX0Wmr1lzLbLj1IR8jnhcf/vNFx8b2d4jt rZssWkYT3Bd46JhBoneFR/9++psP7H6ToyQcUBtOLCZ5lY3jLRjlFEvOVvOoQIg+BYJRm6UluB5d Nm0y2sM1FVm6bWGqpytGqFNYEM7TBJA1jlsAAAAAAAA= --Apple-Mail=_102D913B-49CA-4129-972A-758AABCAA293--
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