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Jason C. Wells wrote:

> --On Monday, November 29, 2004 6:14 PM +0100 Rahul Siddharthan 
> <rsidd@online.fr> wrote:
>
>> Quoting Adam Fabian <afabian@austin.rr.com>:
>>
>>> Was reading the CVS all list, and it's gone.  I, for one, kind of
>>> liked it.  It was a bit of a shock the first time, comparing with 4.x,
>>> but it didn't take long to get used to it, and it's kind of useful.
>>
>>
>> It's very useful.  And it lives on in Dragonfly, with different ascii 
>> art.
>>
>> More evidence that FreeBSD is losing all touch with regular users.
>
>
> What is a regular user?  I use FreeBSD quite regularly.  I am a 
> regular guy
> and I use FreeBSD.  Using FreeBSD keeps me, he-hem, regular.  I will 
> assume
> I am qualified to comment, as a regular user.
>
> The beastie menu is just another level of complexity.  It has very 
> little to do
> with anything.  I had to learn about Forth in order to figure out how 
> to turn i
> t off.  Learning about Forth is not something I wanted to do. Forth is 
> hardly a
> regular user sort of thing.  Sure, once I dilly dallied in the docs, I 
> figured out
> what was going on.  It did take time.


Bah!  Where's the hacker mentality? :-)

# cd /boot
# cp beastie.4th beastie.4th.orig
# {editorcommand} beastie.4th
<kill lines 51-94 and close {editor} >

Piece of cake!  8^)

KDK