From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jul 9 22: 7: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from epsilon.lucida.qc.ca (epsilon.lucida.qc.ca [216.95.146.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D1DC337C4D1 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:06:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matt@ARPA.MAIL.NET) Received: (qmail 42074 invoked by uid 1000); 10 Jul 2000 05:06:59 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jul 2000 05:06:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:06:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Heckaman X-Sender: matt@epsilon.lucida.qc.ca To: Brett Glass Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org, advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Conquering the Land of ISV (Was: No port of Opera?) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000709220353.04a82610@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost 1.6.2 0/1000/N Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Brett Glass wrote: [cc list trimmed] ... : Seriously, I do seem to be getting shot in the back an awful lot in : this forum. I have some replies to make, especially to some of the : messages Jordan has written, but they'll have to wait until tomorrow. : I have a deadline tonight. You can't be getting shot in the back in a debate that you're willfully taking part in. That goes for all of you. I like the emulator, it has solved nearly every one of my "damn I wish I could run X in FreeBSD" problems to date. Would I PAY for a product to run under emulation? Not on your life. Do I expect SUPPORT for a product under emulation? Nope. I do buy software native to FreeBSD though, (codeforge being a good example) and I would love a native port of xyz as much as anyone. Such is life. Its high time we deal with that reality AT THE MOMENT because right now there's not much we can do about it. Maybe when the whole attitude of "{Free,Net,Open}BSD, is that a variant of Linux?" changes, as well as developers getting very fed up with the inconsistencies that make their life a living nightmare, THEN we may get our wishes. I see both sides of your argument, and I've hesitated to get involved until now, but this has degraded far below what the real issues are. I would suggest to all involved that it may be best to wage war on the problem, not the personal feelings involved. Can we please end this god awful thread? : --Brett * Matt Heckaman - mailto:matt@lucida.qc.ca http://www.lucida.qc.ca/ * * GPG fingerprint - A9BC F3A8 278E 22F2 9BDA BFCF 74C3 2D31 C035 5390 * -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (FreeBSD) Comment: http://www.lucida.qc.ca/pgp iD8DBQE5aVnydMMtMcA1U5ARAtNzAJ44A1NuDGYj7byGhmJez4IAz5zL+QCgg8Wr galqM1hwL4ZzPgtBau14cc0= =690X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message