From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 15 03:49:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC0116A4BF for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 03:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fubar.adept.org (fubar.adept.org [63.147.172.249]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617B843FAF for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 03:49:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@adept.org) Received: by fubar.adept.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 563BA1524D; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 03:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fubar.adept.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 524501524B for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 03:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 03:49:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Hoskins To: FreeBSD Advocacy In-Reply-To: <3F658048.5060304@401.cx> Message-ID: <20030915032820.T46787@fubar.adept.org> References: <3F658048.5060304@401.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: FreeBSD Revamped Look 'n' feel: Feedback appreciated! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:49:06 -0000 On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: > Randi Harper wrote: > I work for one of the largest callcenter companys in Europe, and we > do have a significant number of FreeBSD installations. Still, I cant > help feeling we would rely more on FreeBSD if it just had a more > proffesional image. > Pie charts and blinking things only goes that far, being able to > show a good looking website would help alot, especially when youre > up against Red Hat or SuSe. first, if you've tracked the site at all, you'll know how far it's come over the years. everyone involved with the web/doc project deserves a huge pat on the back and a few rounds. the quality of content, number of examples, correctness, and layout (ease of navigation) of the site and documentation have improved dramatically over the years. could it be better? i don't know anything that' can't. however, the last i checked, this was a volunteer effort. if you really think the current site is so 'bad', come up with a new one that offers more content, easier navigation, faster load times, easier management, etc... and get it approved through majority vote or community consensus. now before you say "but that's what i tried to do" -- let me finish... i like creativity, but i just can't help thinking that the arguments made here by some against the current website don't hold much water. i looked at the mockup, and it was honestly pretty bad. it would not present a professional image to anyone i know, even at the director and VP level. most directors, at least, have heard about (proper use of) CSS. this thing has borders that only display in IE... that's great for a free UNIX' homepage. it has a body with a relative width but a header with fixed with... i could go on, but the point is if you want to make suggestions of this nature... at least look like you have a clue about webdesign/layout/presentation. and again, it's a volunteer effort... i may be completely off base, but i'm sure if anyone wants to convince a handfull of top-notch web designers from design firms around the globe to come in, brainstorm, and rework the site... bringing everything up to the latest standards and making it quite "whiz bang" while also being fully functional... not many would object to the free labor. ;) -mrh -- From: "Spam Catcher" To: spam-catcher@adept.org Do NOT send email to the address listed above or you will be added to a blacklist!