From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 25 17:34:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 302F3B13 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 17:34:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from luigi.brtsvcs.net (luigi.brtsvcs.net [204.109.60.246]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A0FC12AB for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 17:34:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from chombo.houseloki.net (unknown [IPv6:2601:7:880:bd0:21c:c0ff:fe7f:96ee]) by luigi.brtsvcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 994E62D4FD7; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 09:34:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:2601:7:880:bd0:544d:1912:bbb2:dcb] (unknown [IPv6:2601:7:880:bd0:544d:1912:bbb2:dcb]) by chombo.houseloki.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 86429BF0; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 09:34:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <530CD408.8000208@bluerosetech.com> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 09:34:00 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Kalchev , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Import of DragonFly Mail Agent References: <20140223211155.GS1699@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <942222.61849.bm@smtp118.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <530B5DA7.1050902@digsys.bg> In-Reply-To: <530B5DA7.1050902@digsys.bg> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 17:48:29 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.17 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 17:34:15 -0000 On 2/24/2014 6:56 AM, Daniel Kalchev wrote: > > On 24.02.14 13:47, Thomas Mueller wrote: >> I don't believe BSD users use base system of itself to send and receive email. They use ports (FreeBSD) or equivalent in other BSDs. > > One of the beauties of the BSD 'base system' is that upon installation > you have an usable workstation/server environment that can be > immediately used for most Internet-related tasks -- and this most > certainly includes SMTP. Or NTP. Or... used to include DNS. Your beautiful base system ready for most Internet-related tasks does not have a: - GUI - browser - media player - email client - IRC client - office suite I'm wondering what you consider "most" internet tasks. If I want a basic internet desktop, I need to install a couple hundred ports to achieve that. If I want a server that follows best practices, I have to install openssl from ports, which means I *can't* use the in-base sendmail even if I wanted to.