From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 18 14:18:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6350116A41F for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:18:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from zanchey@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Received: from asclepius.uwa.edu.au (asclepius3.uwa.edu.au [130.95.128.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6270443D46 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:18:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from zanchey@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Received: from asclepius.kas (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asclepius.uwa.edu.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D210183E41 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:18:17 +0800 (WST) Received: from asclepius (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asclepius.prekas (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A8CE183D12 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:18:17 +0800 (WST) X-UWA-Client-IP: 130.95.13.9 (UWA) Received: from mooneye.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mooneye.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [130.95.13.9]) by asclepius.extinput (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10418183417 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:18:17 +0800 (WST) Received: by mooneye.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Postfix, from userid 801) id 33F5A18022; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:18:16 +0800 (WST) Received: from mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [130.95.13.18]) by mooneye.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D5C17DFA; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:18:15 +0800 (WST) Received: from zanchey (helo=localhost) by mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au with local-esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1EnzMd-0001dC-00; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:18:15 +0800 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:18:15 +0800 (WST) From: David Adam To: Uwe Laverenz In-Reply-To: <20051218140258.GF7262@laverenz.de> Message-ID: References: <20051217120101.BBEDB16A440@hub.freebsd.org> <43A45789.7080601@ywave.com> <20051217234448.GA68713@xor.obsecurity.org> <20051218140258.GF7262@laverenz.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: Formal (305/051215) X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: Detect Hard [UCS 290904] X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: SysLog X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: Marking Spam - Subject (UCS) [02-08-04] X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 2.0.0 [0125], KAS/Release Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Release Schedule for 2006 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: zanchey@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:18:20 -0000 Uwe, On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, Uwe Laverenz wrote: > On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 06:44:48PM -0500, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > It looks like in the course of writing your long email you forgot to > > describe any of the problems you are having. > > I don't know his exact problems either, but I could name you a few > examples that currently reduce the fun of using FreeBSD: > > - The sound sytem is broken in FreeBSD in all 5.x and 6 versions, and I > would like to listen to a few mp3-files from time to time. If I was at work and I got a comment or a phone call like this, I would usually sigh heavily and, in a voice dripping with sarcasm, ask the exact same question that I'm going to ask you: How exactly is it broken? Actually, you should probably take it to -questions. > > - Keeping the system and the ports up to date gets more and more time > consuming and risky (especially when compared to an "apt-get update && > apt-get upgrade"). For example, the last devel/pear update in the > ports crashed my PHP installations on 2 development machines (still no > clue how to fix this). I don't use PEAR, but wasn't there something in UPDATING about it? David Adam zanchey@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au UCC Wheel Member (who does plenty with apt, too, and will stick with the ports system thank you very much.)