From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 30 23:55:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51D016A4BF for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 23:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 021C943FFB for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 23:55:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.apsfilter.org) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V6tBaK068532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 08:55:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.apsfilter.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost)h7V6tAk2068531; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 08:55:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.apsfilter.org) Received: from titan.klemm.apsfilter.org (localhost.klemm.apsfilter.org [127.0.0.1]) by klemm.apsfilter.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7V6oALL032116; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 08:50:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas@titan.klemm.apsfilter.org) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by titan.klemm.apsfilter.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h7V6oA30032115; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 08:50:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 08:50:10 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: Christer Solskogen Message-ID: <20030831065010.GA23179@titan.klemm.apsfilter.org> References: <3F50C956.70603@carebears.mine.nu> <20030830151544.G21642@znfgre.qbhto.arg> <3F5193E2.8060805@carebears.mine.nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3F5193E2.8060805@carebears.mine.nu> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.1-CURRENT X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: strip FreeBSD a bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 06:55:25 -0000 Christer, I think its a bad idea to remove components from FreeBSD that everybody would expect in a BSD. I think you touch areas here like tradition ... In Linux its another thing, they don't have such a tradition, since Linux is only a kernel and Linux never defined a Linux basde system. So there you can discuss of having sendmail, exim, postfix or qmail installed by default or not. IMHO I think its a good thing that a normal FreeBSD installation includes bind and sendmail. This makes FreeBSD a complete (standard/traditional) Unix after basic installation. Things like perl had to go for other reasons in 5.x it was related to difficulties in the build process and RPITA concerning how the p5- ports fit into a scheme perl5 in base system + newer perl5 under /usr/local. Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm - Powered by FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE Need a magic printfilter today ? -> http://www.apsfilter.org/