From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jan 31 00:59:11 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF8874FEE86 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 00:59:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DSt4v1gBBz3mLT for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 00:59:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 10V0x939054103; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 17:59:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) From: Gary Aitken Subject: Re: make config-recursive for an individual port To: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5dfb1c4a-d7b3-2059-c76e-7cfd1490c812@dreamchaser.org> <20210130170828.0299f4b5@gumby.homeunix.com> <20210130171424.b9e0f55048c5c3b9cff042f5@sohara.org> <20210130223139.44dc3483@gumby.homeunix.com> Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Message-ID: <5e4cd073-242b-e92b-143c-87caf50b7329@dreamchaser.org> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 17:54:31 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210130223139.44dc3483@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Sat, 30 Jan 2021 17:59:10 -0700 (MST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DSt4v1gBBz3mLT X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.34 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.96)[0.959]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[googlemail.com,freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 00:59:11 -0000 On 1/30/21 3:31 PM, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 10:43:42 -0700 > Gary Aitken wrote: >> On 1/30/21 10:14 AM, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >>> On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 17:08:28 +0000 >>> RW via freebsd-questions wrote: ... >> I understand the -recursive will configure dependent ports. What I >> don't understand is why it would configure dependent ports which are >> already installed, since they will not be reinstalled. > > Because you asked it to by using the 'config-recursive' target rather > than 'config'. The config-recursive target is a lot older than pkg(8) > and it's not optimised for what you are trying to do. thanks, historical cruft is not a good justification but is certainly understandable. > Probably what you want is: > > make config > make -DBATCH install > > or just the second line if you want the default options for the current > port. Unfortunately, no. Let me ask something different. Is there a way to say "configure recursively all uninstalled ports required for this port"? > As already mentioned running "make missing" and pre-installing > missing packages with pkg(8) makes sense if you want to save time, > though not necessarily effort. Thanks, yes, that is more useful for my situation in most cases. However, in this case some of the dependent ports don't have a package, so it would still be nice to configure only those ports without packages prior to doing a build. I guess that means doing something like make missing | xargs -L 1 pkg install -Ay make missing | xargs -L 1 make config Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jan 31 02:08:14 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D03521FE0 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 02:08:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grahamperrin@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x435.google.com (mail-wr1-x435.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::435]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DSvcZ0zlPz3rN3 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 02:08:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grahamperrin@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x435.google.com with SMTP id s7so9808967wru.5 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 18:08:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=to:references:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=8ckFzmPC3sPXrI7CsyfwzBIf4O0nIPkt8wqESszvFlw=; b=rwF7Vq0zYrjSy42o0qgXKXAqyzHTI6How4iZKnRiQYju7RsLrY6mAGWyfvSoyfZGl7 pWh2w8fUCRdelTRJ24r606Mo0UJJAIM7nY+IAiB1lAtH4/txYwegvcgESrjsa7qb+Fy2 WL/CIt0BjCP6RbAeYdvtTFLDlppUoLo6ki9rO4qpdjYuk11LVxdFQ36z+VixmOf76rnt oiBV7q6hvyuMPK0gK9/8QTwx7Ry8W1iQ0dsEFnIko4eXzqDLDx4D1Y4q2sOF00iNxmXJ RrXWhSL4wdSwkh0/E2YRz76L1P+9YY3wKXFr1LjCrFumM2YM9f74GR3R+y8EZ5yAtlB8 ZwHQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:to:references:from:subject:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=8ckFzmPC3sPXrI7CsyfwzBIf4O0nIPkt8wqESszvFlw=; b=BSOuUI7M3AvQRufXa8HBSobwkd9qeWZDB2Rl69GK4dUvlsgFMZ15Syc8qo4bRRf/RK tyNdI4Sfuvx/NNvZznKYyJ9nWgmFK4B5lpr8Uz5gVwjVgLHAqGotDFou6GzBzu7pXsjF 2sOOIf0tjYtGEy6R7oBXkC2NI1Awjn9hYch4mfBh89wpmEv7zeuI2DVLj1+CVuyxQVuV E3UToCWHbr57TmCyClPg4BDZCQs/J7y2immyo9eAr/SZIyCOMmuVeutRsLD1rMrCM0cO BcKhGFg/+t3yDVZsvT5HG+ytlSjhCdLdKvrKRKUJpeHiEZuqbBnyEYpxiZBtniiVkbJz 9urg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5311yxgmsvQWwiVuiDVhZnM8ZoDeBpM5sSQZRD80GsVB7dlND+WE nNK2Sxg442nXTo9LVN31OAyueJoT5rlOJw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz+YBff4d4dBBtF892IfIeINeLbhgHySLkFakxRJEUR4WYeTLW75CTkXwr6i0A/w9QWNRCjGA== X-Received: by 2002:adf:fc88:: with SMTP id g8mr11227427wrr.259.1612058891536; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 18:08:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (88-105-96-80.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com. [88.105.96.80]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u16sm19741833wrn.68.2021.01.30.18.08.07 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 30 Jan 2021 18:08:10 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1f33317c-8072-f561-748a-faaa64b8a468@dreamchaser.org> From: Graham Perrin Subject: xpdf ports Message-ID: <021c3998-6e24-e14d-7372-82e26990d0ac@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 02:07:56 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DSvcZ0zlPz3rN3 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=rwF7Vq0z; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of grahamperrin@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::435 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=grahamperrin@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::435:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[88.105.96.80:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::435:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::435:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 02:08:14 -0000 On 30/01/2021 07:34, Roderick wrote: > Re: no xpdf pkg? > There is: xpdf3-3.04_11 > > It does not depend on qt. Is graphics/xpdf a meta port but not described as such? – the mixture of 3.⋯ and 4.⋯ > On Fri, 29 Jan 2021, Gary Aitken wrote: > >> Can anyone tell me why there is no package available for xpdf on >> 11.4-RELEASE-p3? >> >> freshports seems to imply there should be one. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jan 31 04:33:43 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18FCF4E0E74 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 04:33:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DSyrQ20W6z4WWJ for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 04:33:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 10V4XfFE054600; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 21:33:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) From: Gary Aitken Subject: Re: xpdf ports To: Graham Perrin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1f33317c-8072-f561-748a-faaa64b8a468@dreamchaser.org> <021c3998-6e24-e14d-7372-82e26990d0ac@gmail.com> Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Message-ID: <4c49d3ce-d04e-c937-cae0-977e87e56389@dreamchaser.org> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 21:29:02 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <021c3998-6e24-e14d-7372-82e26990d0ac@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Sat, 30 Jan 2021 21:33:41 -0700 (MST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DSyrQ20W6z4WWJ X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.31 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.99)[0.993]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 04:33:43 -0000 On 1/30/21 7:07 PM, Graham Perrin wrote: > On 30/01/2021 07:34, Roderick wrote: > >> Re: no xpdf pkg? > >> There is: xpdf3-3.04_11 >> >> It does not depend on qt. > > > Is graphics/xpdf a meta port but not described as such? No, it requires a different ssl as I recall, because of security problems, so is not currently built unless you are on fbsd 12 or later. I'm on 11.4 and when I built the port it complained about the ssl, so I had to tell it to use a different ssl. It then built and ran fine. Gary > – the mixture of > 3.⋯ and 4.⋯ > > > > > > >> On Fri, 29 Jan 2021, Gary Aitken wrote: >> >>> Can anyone tell me why there is no package available for xpdf on >>> 11.4-RELEASE-p3? >>> >>> freshports seems to imply there should be one. 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[88.105.96.80]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q7sm22926600wrx.18.2021.01.31.00.52.35 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 31 Jan 2021 00:52:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: xpdf ports: graphics/xpdf4 master To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1f33317c-8072-f561-748a-faaa64b8a468@dreamchaser.org> <021c3998-6e24-e14d-7372-82e26990d0ac@gmail.com> <4c49d3ce-d04e-c937-cae0-977e87e56389@dreamchaser.org> From: Graham Perrin Message-ID: <23a847a6-89a7-2e1d-7ff1-3342bd32c5f8@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 08:52:33 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4c49d3ce-d04e-c937-cae0-977e87e56389@dreamchaser.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DT4b92tFWz4lcm X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=kNKn7qFE; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of grahamperrin@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::433 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=grahamperrin@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.98 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.982]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::433:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[88.105.96.80:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::433:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::433:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 08:52:38 -0000 On 31/01/2021 04:29, Gary Aitken wrote: > On 1/30/21 7:07 PM, Graham Perrin wrote: >> On 30/01/2021 07:34, Roderick wrote: >> >>> Re: no xpdf pkg? >> >>> There is: xpdf3-3.04_11 >>> >>> It does not depend on qt. >> >> >> Is graphics/xpdf a meta port but not described as such? > > No, it requires a different ssl as I recall, because of security > problems, > so is not currently built unless you are on fbsd 12 or later.  I'm on > 11.4 > and when I built the port it complained about the ssl, so I had to > tell it > to use a different ssl.  It then built and ran fine. > > Gary Thanks. Now I see, graphics/xpdf4 is a master port, with graphics/xpdf as its slave. > >> – the mixture of >> 3.⋯ and 4.⋯ >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Fri, 29 Jan 2021, Gary Aitken wrote: >>> >>>> Can anyone tell me why there is no package available for xpdf on >>>> 11.4-RELEASE-p3? >>>> >>>> freshports seems to imply there should be one. 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I'm on 11.4 > and when I built the port it complained about the ssl, so I had to tell it > to use a different ssl. It then built and ran fine. > Hey Gary, did you consider using web browser as PDF viewer? Firefox and Chromium can open and display PDF files. The print is low quality but view works fine.. -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jan 31 17:47:27 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CCE04FEA0C for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 17:47:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DTJSF6KQMz3t9r for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 17:47:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 10VHlKTB056870; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 10:47:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: xpdf ports To: Tomasz CEDRO Cc: Graham Perrin , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List References: <1f33317c-8072-f561-748a-faaa64b8a468@dreamchaser.org> <021c3998-6e24-e14d-7372-82e26990d0ac@gmail.com> <4c49d3ce-d04e-c937-cae0-977e87e56389@dreamchaser.org> From: Gary Aitken Message-ID: <0e7f0e26-e054-afdb-fee3-7bab4781620c@dreamchaser.org> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 10:42:42 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Sun, 31 Jan 2021 10:47:21 -0700 (MST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DTJSF6KQMz3t9r X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 17:47:27 -0000 On 1/31/21 4:18 AM, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > Hey Gary, did you consider using web browser as PDF viewer? Firefox > and Chromium can open and display PDF files. The print is low quality > but view works fine.. Not often, partly because my mind doesn't usually go there :-). I try to avoid chrome because I can't control it very well, and I usually have enough firefox windows open it's hard to keep track of which is which. And as you said, the print quality leads a lot to be desired. I use xpdf, sometimes I need pdftk for combining or splitting documents, and sometimes I use gimp to import at 300dpi or more for manipulating. 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FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[matt]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gsicomp.on.ca]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[54.213.22.21:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[54.213.22.21:from]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 22:12:49 -0000 Hi, I have a FreeBSD-11 machine that I recently upgraded to FreeBSD-12. It has a Sii RAID-1 pair of 1TB drives. A week ago this system got unexpectedly powered off and when it came back up, mount refuses to mount my RAID-1 FS because it is durty. fsck runs, but segfaults. It's clear that the corruption is confusing fsck and causing the trap. If I force a mount in readonly mode, I can inspect the drive and at first glance, everything seems valid. Since this machine is used for backups, I have lots of other medata (eg, checksums) and I'm slowly working through to see if anything important is damaged. >From some of the stuff that fsck is finding, it's clear that the corruption is in a rather large-and-deep directory tree that was recently deleted. It's possible that the 'rm -rf' for this was running in the background when the system lost power. Is there any way to have fsck be more "selective" in what it checks/repairs? It's been a long time since I've done low-level filesystem surgery, but it seems to me that if I can prevent it from going off into the weeds (and trying to repair inode entries that are no longer relevant), all will be well. Any advice? I have thought about doing some inspection with "ls -i" and then being very selective in the inodes I get fsck to repair, but that seems challenging to get right. Regards, -- Matt Emmerton From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 1 12:33:36 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40F44FE158; Mon, 1 Feb 2021 12:33:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DTnRg49w4z3DN7; Mon, 1 Feb 2021 12:33:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [188.174.57.77] (helo=c720-r368166.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l6YOX-0007Kb-EN; Mon, 01 Feb 2021 13:33:29 +0100 Received: from c720-r368166.fritz.box (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c720-r368166.unixarea.de (8.16.1/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id 111CXSEt033299 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 1 Feb 2021 13:33:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by c720-r368166.fritz.box (8.16.1/8.14.9/Submit) id 111CXSBt033298; Mon, 1 Feb 2021 13:33:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: c720-r368166.fritz.box: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 13:33:28 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-office@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: libreoffice 7.0.3 (FreeBSD 13.0) && audio file insert Message-ID: Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-office@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT r368166 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! 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My sun needs the integration of audio files for a presentation in school. LO claims that the audio file format (in this case .wav) is unsupported. The Linux minded LO help forum claim that one needs to install a lot of gstreamer1 packages, see for example here: https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/60920/embedding-video-the-format-of-the-selected-file-is-not-supported/ I've installed already the list of packages visible in the attached below. But it still does not work and even running LO in an xterm does not give any clue what it is missing. Thanks for any hint. matthias $ pkg info | egrep 'gstream|ffm' ffmpeg-4.3.1_8,1 Realtime audio/video encoder/converter and streaming server gstreamer1-1.16.2 Media applications framework gstreamer1-editing-services-1.16.2 GStreamer editing services gstreamer1-libav-1.16.2 GStreamer plug-in with many audio/video decoders/encoders gstreamer1-plugins-1.16.2_2 GStreamer written collection of plugins handling several media types gstreamer1-plugins-a52dec-1.16.2 GStreamer ATSC A/52 stream aka AC-3 (dvd audio) plugin gstreamer1-plugins-aalib-1.16.2 GStreamer ASCII art videosink plugin gstreamer1-plugins-all-1.16_1 Meta-port of all GStreamer 1.x plugins with options gstreamer1-plugins-amrnb-1.16.2 GStreamer OpenCore based Adaptive Multi-Rate Narrow-Band plugin gstreamer1-plugins-amrwbdec-1.16.2 GStreamer OpenCore based Adaptive Multi-Rate Wide-Band Decoder plugin gstreamer1-plugins-aom-1.16.2_13 GStreamer (libaom) plugin gstreamer1-plugins-assrender-1.16.2 GStreamer ASS/SSA text renderer plugin gstreamer1-plugins-bad-1.16.2 GStreamer-plugins that need more quality, testing or documentation gstreamer1-plugins-bs2b-1.16.2 GStreamer Bauer Stereophonic to Banaural BSP (bs2b) plugin gstreamer1-plugins-cairo-1.16.2 GStreamer overlay renderer plugin based on cairo gstreamer1-plugins-cdio-1.16.2 GStreamer compact disc input and control library gstreamer1-plugins-cdparanoia-1.16.2 GStreamer CDDA extraction (aka audio ripping) plugin gstreamer1-plugins-chromaprint-1.16.2 GStreamer audio fingerprint extracting plugin gstreamer1-plugins-core-1.16 Core set of typical audio and video GStreamer plugins gstreamer1-plugins-curl-1.16.2 GStreamer curl based output plugin gstreamer1-plugins-dash-1.16.2 GStreamer Dynamic Adaptive Streaming over HTTP demuxer plugin gstreamer1-plugins-dtls-1.16.2 GStreamer Datagram TLS (dtls) plugin gstreamer1-plugins-dts-1.16.2 GStreamer dts audio decode plugin gstreamer1-plugins-dv-1.16.2 GStreamer dv demux and decoder plugin based on libdv gstreamer1-plugins-dvdread-1.16.2_1 GStreamer DVD access plugin with libdvdread gstreamer1-plugins-faad-1.16.2 GStreamer MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 AAC decoder plugin gstreamer1-plugins-flac-1.16.2 GStreamer free lossless audio encoder/decoder plugin gstreamer1-plugins-flite-1.16.2 GStreamer flite run-time speech synthesis engine plugin gstreamer1-plugins-gdkpixbuf-1.16.2 GStreamer image decoder/overlay plugin gstreamer1-plugins-gl-1.16.2_1 GStreamer GL graphics plugin gstreamer1-plugins-gme-1.16.2 GStreamer emulate gaming console sound processors plugin gstreamer1-plugins-gnonlin-1.4.0 GStreamer lib for writing non-linear audio and video gstreamer1-plugins-good-1.16.2 GStreamer-plugins good-quality plug-ins gstreamer1-plugins-gsm-1.16.2 GStreamer gsm encoding/decoding plugin gstreamer1-plugins-gtk-1.16.2 GStreamer gtksink plugin gstreamer1-plugins-hls-1.16.2_1 GStreamer HTTP Live Streaming (HLS) plugin gstreamer1-plugins-jack-1.16.2 GStreamer low-latency audio server plugin gstreamer1-plugins-jpeg-1.16.2 GStreamer jpeg encoder/decoder plugin gstreamer1-plugins-kate-1.16.2 GStreamer kate codec plugin gstreamer1-plugins-kms-1.16.2 GStreamer video sink via KMS plugin gstreamer1-plugins-ladspa-1.16.2 Gstreamer ladspa (Linux Audio Developer's Simple Plugin API) plugin gstreamer1-plugins-libcaca-1.16.2 GStreamer color ASCII art plugin gstreamer1-plugins-libde265-1.16.2 GStreamer HEVC/H.265 decoder (libde265) plugin gstreamer1-plugins-libmms-1.16.2 GStreamer mms:// and mmsh:// plugin gstreamer1-plugins-libvisual-1.16.2 GStreamer libvisual plugin gstreamer1-plugins-lv2-1.16.2 Gstreamer lv2 wrapper plugin gstreamer1-plugins-modplug-1.16.2 GStreamer module decoder based on modplug egine plugin gstreamer1-plugins-mpeg2dec-1.16.2 GStreamer mpeg decode plugin gstreamer1-plugins-mpeg2enc-1.16.2 GStreamer mpeg encoder plugin gstreamer1-plugins-mpg123-1.16.2 GStreamer MPEG Layer 1, 2, and 3 plugin gstreamer1-plugins-mplex-1.16.2 GStreamer mplex plugin gstreamer1-plugins-musepack-1.16.2 Gstreamer musepack mpc encoder/decoder plugin gstreamer1-plugins-neon-1.16.2 GStreamer neon http source plugin gstreamer1-plugins-ogg-1.16.2 GStreamer Ogg bitstream plugin gstreamer1-plugins-opencv-1.16.2 GStreamer opencv real time computer vision plugin gstreamer1-plugins-openexr-1.16.2_4 GStreamer OpenExr codec plugin gstreamer1-plugins-openh264-1.16.2_1 GStreamer (openh264) plugin gstreamer1-plugins-openjpeg-1.16.2 GStreamer jpeg2000 decoder plugin gstreamer1-plugins-openmpt-1.16.2_1 GStreamer OpenMPT audio decoder plugin gstreamer1-plugins-opus-1.16.2 GStreamer Opus audio encoder/decoder plugin gstreamer1-plugins-pango-1.16.2 GStreamer pango textoverlay plugin gstreamer1-plugins-png-1.16.2 GStreamer png plugin gstreamer1-plugins-pulse-1.16.2 GStreamer pulseaudio plugin gstreamer1-plugins-qt-1.16.2 GStreamer Qt videosink plugin gstreamer1-plugins-resindvd-1.16.2_1 GStreamer resindvd DVD playback plugin gstreamer1-plugins-rsvg-1.16.2 GStreamer SVG plugin gstreamer1-plugins-rtmp-1.16.2 GStreamer RTMP stream source and sink plugin gstreamer1-plugins-shout2-1.16.2 GStreamer icecast output plugin gstreamer1-plugins-sidplay-1.16.2 GStreamer Commodore SID audio decoder plugin gstreamer1-plugins-smoothstreaming-1.16.2 GStreamer parse and demuliplex a Smooth Streaming manifest into audio/video streams plugin gstreamer1-plugins-sndfile-1.16.2_1 Gstreamer sndfile plugin gstreamer1-plugins-sndio-1.8.0.1_1 Sndio audio sink and source for GStreamer gstreamer1-plugins-soundtouch-1.16.2 GStreamer soundtouch plugin gstreamer1-plugins-soup-1.16.2 GStreamer soup based http input plugin gstreamer1-plugins-spandsp-1.16.2 GStreamer DSP library and software FAX machine plugin gstreamer1-plugins-speex-1.16.2 GStreamer speex voice encode/decode plugin gstreamer1-plugins-srtp-1.16.2 GStreamer srtp plugin gstreamer1-plugins-taglib-1.16.2 GStreamer taglib plugin for adding APEv2 and ID3v2 headers gstreamer1-plugins-theora-1.16.2 GStreamer theora plugin gstreamer1-plugins-ttml-1.16.2 GStreamer ttml subtitle plugin gstreamer1-plugins-twolame-1.16.2 GStreamer High-quality free MP2 encoder plugin gstreamer1-plugins-ugly-1.16.2 GStreamer-plugins set of good-quality plug-ins that might have distribution problems gstreamer1-plugins-v4l2-1.16.2_1 GStreamer Video 4 Linux 2 source plugin gstreamer1-plugins-vorbis-1.16.2 GStreamer vorbis encoder/decoder plugin gstreamer1-plugins-vpx-1.16.2 GStreamer vp8 codec plugin gstreamer1-plugins-vulkan-1.16.2_1 GStreamer Vulkan graphics plugin gstreamer1-plugins-wavpack-1.16.2 GStreamer wavpack encode/decode plugin gstreamer1-plugins-webp-1.16.2 GStreamer webp image decoder plugin gstreamer1-plugins-webrtcdsp-1.16.2 GStreamer WebRTC Audio Processing plugin gstreamer1-plugins-x-1.16.2 GStreamer X and Xvideo output plugins gstreamer1-plugins-x264-1.16.2_2 GStreamer libx264 based H264 plugin gstreamer1-plugins-x265-1.16.2_1 GStreamer libx265 based H265 plugin gstreamer1-plugins-ximagesrc-1.16.2 GStreamer X 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format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I need help to fixed this ZFS disk failure after "zpool scrub pool"=20 whereis run once for a week. # uname -mv FreeBSD 12.2-STABLE r368820 GENERIC amd64 # zcat /var/log/messages.1.bz2 | grep ZFS | more Feb 1 10:17:51 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[9243]: pool I/O failure, zpool=3D$pool erro= r=3D$6 Feb 1 10:17:51 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[9244]: catastrophic pool I/O failure,=20 zpool=3D$pool Feb 1 10:21:58 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[9278]: pool I/O failure, zpool=3D$pool erro= r=3D$6 Feb 1 10:21:58 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[9279]: catastrophic pool I/O failure,=20 zpool=3D$pool Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 kernel: ZFS filesystem version: 5 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 kernel: ZFS storage pool version: features=20 support (5000) Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[818]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$5993430306208938633 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[820]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$3420027568210384620 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[825]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$5993430306208938633 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[831]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$3420027568210384620 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[836]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$5993430306208938633 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[852]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$3420027568210384620 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[872]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$5993430306208938633 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[880]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$3420027568210384620 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[882]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$5993430306208938633 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[884]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$3420027568210384620 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[885]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$5993430306208938633 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[887]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$3420027568210384620 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[888]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$5993430306208938633 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[890]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$3420027568210384620 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[891]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$5993430306208938633 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[893]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$3420027568210384620 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[894]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$5993430306208938633 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[896]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$3420027568210384620 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[897]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$5993430306208938633 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[899]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$3420027568210384620 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[900]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$5993430306208938633 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[902]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$3420027568210384620 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[903]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$5993430306208938633 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[905]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$3420027568210384620 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[906]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$5993430306208938633 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[908]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$3420027568210384620 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[909]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$5993430306208938633 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[911]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$3420027568210384620 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[912]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$5993430306208938633 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[914]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$3420027568210384620 Feb 1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[915]: vdev state changed,=20 pool_guid=3D$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=3D$5993430306208938633 [...] After restarting the machines, my HDD gone from BIOS (Undetected). I try to change port SATA in MB, and change SATA cable. But problem=20 still persist (There is a delay in the boot process), my questions is does ZFS scrubbing cause this problem, or indeed a bad hard drive? FYI, I use Ironwolf 4 TB x 2 for my pool with striped mode. Thanks --=20 Regards, Budi Janto --gnqPgLCt9nNPBBeR3zDLrFHG4Em66Zinp-- --ScKJPhvzX5CP9rVwOKZx587Ztm0z6XX5O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="OpenPGP_signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="OpenPGP_signature" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- wmMEABEIACMWIQSgWiaMPNSrvdnrEeH2TEtOYmlTBAUCYBgERAUDAAAAAAAKCRD2TEtOYmlTBFzv AJ90w7bwAuB/zn9GakYR5+AtmcZHUQCeO4SqV8oWxgYlKElxmiHkqH9yPUA= =xwRV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ScKJPhvzX5CP9rVwOKZx587Ztm0z6XX5O-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 1 14:58:49 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C2F952CCBB for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2021 14:58:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.73]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DTrgC6kdMz3mjP for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2021 14:58:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.8.36.167]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue106 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MmkfQ-1lqP3t2G1u-00jqty; Mon, 01 Feb 2021 15:58:43 +0100 Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 15:58:42 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Matt Emmerton" Cc: Subject: Re: Help recovering damaged drive - fsck segfaults, read-only mount looks ok Message-Id: <20210201155842.1e529018.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <012a01d6f81e$3103d390$930b7ab0$@gsicomp.on.ca> References: <012a01d6f81e$3103d390$930b7ab0$@gsicomp.on.ca> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:wgfn40xksBvNLn8A+XdaqGkIjKn+eoE+/wt9iwKxIugv9D2T3GM k07q4g2KfIIEbwd5cz2FIGnH3PWkHVCei4On3mCPAR8K5d29BUJzxwQqYNWIvY95kB8NxJb DNJiaUH9ipYntHkXDkvJ/E7xJwx+zkdF7N8Qh6hwuOo2a+0roy6jTYuwiNsLrMqc0vxhTUU aqOaZ7QDfoBvn47Ky51vw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:7IA3hKpJfnk=:Fiz0ljGQLXy5vQkdU2Uzp6 giYTo99JG92jiMbSOwsa+2iiA8jJ/wWYe8qSxJtjVCzZtAlX2rfDfschll75Fym3ysmPIyyxV Ys6SrrH72ozVVJA5GmYUSKWxWH15jvrJMyewIo4CJ9Xux1AMExm9PDetQPD3gc5YOdkfyfLWM NOrd4W/d6pUM1fTA6VKywNsXhRD3vyqCWC43KrG4a9XBBxZriaOJRSU4+ueciLV+KRT7f/j7m 19eafACSQJlkJ6HxZTj/i3XOVrlb4ifvkfljSUIpP/ndiTKsgk71DufP6djC8jjuAcXoWbxQs tenqweaPMqlMMJMmvtmzYoRt1CTKmQGDS3AipQHOmbbKjqEKm/sYVJ6E73702t4IvMR0dxQeQ ejxz7ca9HOGqCDqODsAQQfmJd1ohjC+9tW8TFOSABuZPi0ntBydD9eZq6ZgO/ X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DTrgC6kdMz3mjP X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.72.192.73) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.53 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.932]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.8.36.167:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[217.72.192.73:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[217.72.192.73:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[217.72.192.73:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[217.72.192.73:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2021 14:58:49 -0000 On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 17:12:40 -0500, Matt Emmerton wrote: > Hi, > > I have a FreeBSD-11 machine that I recently upgraded to FreeBSD-12. It has > a Sii RAID-1 pair of 1TB drives. > A week ago this system got unexpectedly powered off and when it came back > up, mount refuses to mount my RAID-1 FS because it is durty. > fsck runs, but segfaults. It's clear that the corruption is confusing fsck > and causing the trap. First of all: This sounds a lot like the problem that initially brought me to the FreeBSD mailing list, so maybe the archives and my memory can help you. I'm not sure if it is really _the same_ kind of problem, but at least it could be some inspiration for further experiments. > If I force a mount in readonly mode, I can inspect the drive and at first > glance, everything seems valid. Since this machine is used for backups, I > have lots of other medata (eg, checksums) and I'm slowly working through to > see if anything important is damaged. At this point: STOP. If your data is important to you, get a copy of it NOW. A forced r/o mount is a good chance to read your data. Copy everything you are interested in, because in worst case, you could have to initialize the whole filesystem, which implies data loss. Make sure you're prepared for such an event. In all honesty: I wasn't, and I regret it. Always remember the purpose of backups: You don't need them until it's too late. :-) > From some of the stuff that fsck is finding, it's clear that the corruption > is in a rather large-and-deep directory tree that was recently deleted. > It's possible that the 'rm -rf' for this was running in the background when > the system lost power. Therefore deleted files (or "scheduled for deletion") can still be present in the r/o mount. This "delay" once helped me recover accidentally deleted files (stupid wildcard + fat fingers + brain already asleep) - turned of power, booted SUM, mounted read-only, copied files (still there!), ran fsck (files were gone), and then copied files back into place. As if nothing happened... :-) > Is there any way to have fsck be more "selective" in what it checks/repairs? > It's been a long time since I've done low-level filesystem surgery, but it > seems to me that if I can prevent it from going off into the weeds (and > trying to repair inode entries that are no longer relevant), all will be > well. Yes. There is a "preen mode" (fsck -p) and a forced mode (fsck -f). Be careful with specifying -y, it does not always to what you want it to do. Data loss might happen. See "man fsck" for details. > Any advice? I have thought about doing some inspection with "ls -i" and > then being very selective in the inodes I get fsck to repair, but that seems > challenging to get right. And _that_ is how I finally got my files back (the initial "severe data loss problem more than 10 years ago): With ls -i, I determined the inode of an offending directory, then used fsdb (which I found out about reading a reference manual about a GDR UNIX system) to remove it, and _then_ (!) fsck was able, after two runs, to bring the filesystem back to a consistent state. The offending directory was .snap at the root of the filesystem. Once it was gone, fsck worked as expected. Also note that fsck _might_ have problems (or require a second run) when dealing with soft updates and UFS journal. If fsck encounters an unallocated, but not "free" inode, it will store its content in the lost+found/ directory at the root of the filesystem. It could be possible that the whole deleted tree appears there. So check this location after the system came up properly. You can then delete its content, if you wanted to delete those files anyway. Up to that point, I had already read McKusick's UFS paper, the code of fsck_ffs (UFS fsck) and many other resources about how things worked; I modified the fsck program, debugged it, examined dumps; I learned data recovery tools (such as TSK and "UFS Explorer"), forensic strategies and "What you should have done" - I couldn't find out why fsck had "hickups" and could not proceed. None mentioned that some directory entry (for a feature that I never used!) was the problem. At least in my case, I got all (!) my data back, just a few hundred filenames were missing (unallocated, but present), but from the content, it was no problem to finally re-instantiate those that mattered. However, it's possible that you're facing an entirely different problem where fsck won't be able to get the filesystem back into a consistent state, and backup - newfs - restore is your only option. All the best, and I hope you can solve that problem. It's one of the very few cases that can happen, and which teach you a lot about how the UFS filesystem works. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 1 16:14:31 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D92852E93E; Mon, 1 Feb 2021 16:14:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fluffy@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DTtLb1Fy2z3tTM; Mon, 1 Feb 2021 16:14:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fluffy@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (host.212-19-20-216.broadband.redcom.ru [212.19.20.216]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: fluffy) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DF5F2F9A4; Mon, 1 Feb 2021 16:14:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fluffy@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 02:14:24 +1000 From: Dima Panov To: freebsd-office@freebsd.org, Matthias Apitz Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <9c7bb512-8e7e-45a1-a9b5-61860754392f@Canary> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: libreoffice 7.0.3 (FreeBSD 13.0) && audio file insert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="601828e0_66334873_758"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2021 16:14:31 -0000 --601828e0_66334873_758 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Moin=21 Is your LO package built with MMEDIA option=3F Latest port is 7.0.4 and it works with embedded mesia like a charm. -- Dima. (desktop, kde, x11, office, ports-secteam)=40=46reeBSD team (fluffy=40=46reeBSD.org, https://t.me/dima=5Fpanov) > On Monday, =46eb 01, 2021 at 10:33 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > Hello, > > This is with: > > =24 uname -a > =46reeBSD c720-r368166 13.0-CURRENT =46reeBSD 13.0-CURRENT =2323 r36816= 6M: Thu Dec 17 13:12:37 CET 2020 guru=40c720-r368166:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd= 64.amd64/sys/GENERIC amd64 > > and libreoffice 7.0.3 (all ports compiled from head). > > My sun needs the integration of audio files for a presentation in > school. LO claims that the audio file format (in this case .wav) is > unsupported. The Linux minded LO help forum claim that one needs to > install a lot of gstreamer1 packages, see for example here: > https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/60920/embedding-video-the-forma= t-of-the-selected-file-is-not-supported/ > > I've installed already the list of packages visible in the > attached below. But it still does not work and even running LO in > an xterm does not give any clue what it is missing. > > Thanks for any hint. > > matthias > > =24 pkg info =7C egrep 'gstream=7Cffm' > ffmpeg-4.3.1=5F8,1 Realtime audio/video encoder/converter and streaming= server > gstreamer1-1.16.2 Media applications framework > gstreamer1-editing-services-1.16.2 GStreamer editing services > gstreamer1-libav-1.16.2 GStreamer plug-in with many audio/video decoder= s/encoders > gstreamer1-plugins-1.16.2=5F2 GStreamer written collection of plugins h= andling several media types > gstreamer1-plugins-a52dec-1.16.2 GStreamer ATSC A/52 stream aka AC-3 (d= vd audio) plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-aalib-1.16.2 GStreamer ASCII art videosink plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-all-1.16=5F1 Meta-port of all GStreamer 1.x plugins = with options > gstreamer1-plugins-amrnb-1.16.2 GStreamer OpenCore based Adaptive Multi= -Rate Narrow-Band plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-amrwbdec-1.16.2 GStreamer OpenCore based Adaptive Mu= lti-Rate Wide-Band Decoder plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-aom-1.16.2=5F13 GStreamer (libaom) plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-assrender-1.16.2 GStreamer ASS/SSA text renderer plu= gin > gstreamer1-plugins-bad-1.16.2 GStreamer-plugins that need more quality,= testing or documentation > gstreamer1-plugins-bs2b-1.16.2 GStreamer Bauer Stereophonic to Banaural= BSP (bs2b) plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-cairo-1.16.2 GStreamer overlay renderer plugin based= on cairo > gstreamer1-plugins-cdio-1.16.2 GStreamer compact disc input and control= library > gstreamer1-plugins-cdparanoia-1.16.2 GStreamer CDDA extraction (aka aud= io ripping) plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-chromaprint-1.16.2 GStreamer audio fingerprint extra= cting plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-core-1.16 Core set of typical audio and video GStrea= mer plugins > gstreamer1-plugins-curl-1.16.2 GStreamer curl based output plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-dash-1.16.2 GStreamer Dynamic Adaptive Streaming ove= r HTTP demuxer plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-dtls-1.16.2 GStreamer Datagram TLS (dtls) plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-dts-1.16.2 GStreamer dts audio decode plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-dv-1.16.2 GStreamer dv demux and decoder plugin base= d on libdv > gstreamer1-plugins-dvdread-1.16.2=5F1 GStreamer DVD access plugin with = libdvdread > gstreamer1-plugins-faad-1.16.2 GStreamer MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 AAC decoder = plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-flac-1.16.2 GStreamer free lossless audio encoder/de= coder plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-flite-1.16.2 GStreamer flite run-time speech synthes= is engine plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-gdkpixbuf-1.16.2 GStreamer image decoder/overlay plu= gin > gstreamer1-plugins-gl-1.16.2=5F1 GStreamer GL graphics plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-gme-1.16.2 GStreamer emulate gaming console sound pr= ocessors plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-gnonlin-1.4.0 GStreamer lib for writing non-linear a= udio and video > gstreamer1-plugins-good-1.16.2 GStreamer-plugins good-quality plug-ins > gstreamer1-plugins-gsm-1.16.2 GStreamer gsm encoding/decoding plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-gtk-1.16.2 GStreamer gtksink plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-hls-1.16.2=5F1 GStreamer HTTP Live Streaming (HLS) p= lugin > gstreamer1-plugins-jack-1.16.2 GStreamer low-latency audio server plugi= n > gstreamer1-plugins-jpeg-1.16.2 GStreamer jpeg encoder/decoder plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-kate-1.16.2 GStreamer kate codec plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-kms-1.16.2 GStreamer video sink via KMS plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-ladspa-1.16.2 Gstreamer ladspa (Linux Audio Develope= r's Simple Plugin API) plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-libcaca-1.16.2 GStreamer color ASCII art plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-libde265-1.16.2 GStreamer HEVC/H.265 decoder (libde2= 65) plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-libmms-1.16.2 GStreamer mms:// and mmsh:// plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-libvisual-1.16.2 GStreamer libvisual plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-lv2-1.16.2 Gstreamer lv2 wrapper plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-modplug-1.16.2 GStreamer module decoder based on mod= plug egine plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-mpeg2dec-1.16.2 GStreamer mpeg decode plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-mpeg2enc-1.16.2 GStreamer mpeg encoder plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-mpg123-1.16.2 GStreamer MPEG Layer 1, 2, and 3 plugi= n > gstreamer1-plugins-mplex-1.16.2 GStreamer mplex plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-musepack-1.16.2 Gstreamer musepack mpc encoder/decod= er plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-neon-1.16.2 GStreamer neon http source plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-ogg-1.16.2 GStreamer Ogg bitstream plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-opencv-1.16.2 GStreamer opencv real time computer vi= sion plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-openexr-1.16.2=5F4 GStreamer OpenExr codec plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-openh264-1.16.2=5F1 GStreamer (openh264) plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-openjpeg-1.16.2 GStreamer jpeg2000 decoder plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-openmpt-1.16.2=5F1 GStreamer OpenMPT audio decoder p= lugin > gstreamer1-plugins-opus-1.16.2 GStreamer Opus audio encoder/decoder plu= gin > gstreamer1-plugins-pango-1.16.2 GStreamer pango textoverlay plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-png-1.16.2 GStreamer png plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-pulse-1.16.2 GStreamer pulseaudio plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-qt-1.16.2 GStreamer Qt videosink plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-resindvd-1.16.2=5F1 GStreamer resindvd DVD playback = plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-rsvg-1.16.2 GStreamer SVG plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-rtmp-1.16.2 GStreamer RTMP stream source and sink pl= ugin > gstreamer1-plugins-shout2-1.16.2 GStreamer icecast output plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-sidplay-1.16.2 GStreamer Commodore SID audio decoder= plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-smoothstreaming-1.16.2 GStreamer parse and demuliple= x a Smooth Streaming manifest into audio/video streams plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-sndfile-1.16.2=5F1 Gstreamer sndfile plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-sndio-1.8.0.1=5F1 Sndio audio sink and source for GS= treamer > gstreamer1-plugins-soundtouch-1.16.2 GStreamer soundtouch plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-soup-1.16.2 GStreamer soup based http input plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-spandsp-1.16.2 GStreamer DSP library and software =46= AX machine plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-speex-1.16.2 GStreamer speex voice encode/decode plu= gin > gstreamer1-plugins-srtp-1.16.2 GStreamer srtp plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-taglib-1.16.2 GStreamer taglib plugin for adding APE= v2 and ID3v2 headers > gstreamer1-plugins-theora-1.16.2 GStreamer theora plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-ttml-1.16.2 GStreamer ttml subtitle plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-twolame-1.16.2 GStreamer High-quality free MP2 encod= er plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-ugly-1.16.2 GStreamer-plugins set of good-quality pl= ug-ins that might have distribution problems > gstreamer1-plugins-v4l2-1.16.2=5F1 GStreamer Video 4 Linux 2 source plu= gin > gstreamer1-plugins-vorbis-1.16.2 GStreamer vorbis encoder/decoder plugi= n > gstreamer1-plugins-vpx-1.16.2 GStreamer vp8 codec plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-vulkan-1.16.2=5F1 GStreamer Vulkan graphics plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-wavpack-1.16.2 GStreamer wavpack encode/decode plugi= n > gstreamer1-plugins-webp-1.16.2 GStreamer webp image decoder plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-webrtcdsp-1.16.2 GStreamer WebRTC Audio Processing p= lugin > gstreamer1-plugins-x-1.16.2 GStreamer X and Xvideo output plugins > gstreamer1-plugins-x264-1.16.2=5F2 GStreamer libx264 based H264 plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-x265-1.16.2=5F1 GStreamer libx265 based H265 plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-ximagesrc-1.16.2 GStreamer X source plugin > gstreamer1-plugins-zbar-1.16.2 GStreamer ZBar barcode detector plugin > gstreamermm-1.10.0 C++ wrapper library for the multimedia library GStre= amer > kdemultimedia-ffmpegthumbs-20.08.3 =46=46mpeg-based thumbnail generator= for video files > phonon-gstreamer-qt5-4.10.0 GStreamer backend for Phonon > > -- > Matthias Apitz, =E2=9C=89 guru=40unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ += 49-176-38902045 > Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= 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(tried 0 configs) Jan 29 06:59:36 db-1 syslogd: last message repeated 1 times I have checked all the correct files exist (such as /etc/syslog.conf) and also tried using known good config files from other installs where the message does not appear. I have also checked to make sure there are no strange permissions set on all relevant files. db-1# ps axu|grep syslogd root 38104 0.0 0.1 11352 2728 - Ss Fri06 0:11.19 /usr/sbin/syslogd -ss /etc/rc.conf option: syslogd_flags="-ss" I was wondering if anyone is able to shed any light on this issue as I did not have much luck searching for other users with the same / similar problem. Thanks unixdude From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 1 22:00:28 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208514E8D08; Mon, 1 Feb 2021 22:00:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DV21l2Xy4z3J7q; Mon, 1 Feb 2021 22:00:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [188.174.57.77] (helo=c720-r368166.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l6hFB-0006dS-0T; Mon, 01 Feb 2021 23:00:25 +0100 Received: from c720-r368166.fritz.box (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c720-r368166.unixarea.de (8.16.1/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id 111M0OMO066011 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 1 Feb 2021 23:00:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by c720-r368166.fritz.box (8.16.1/8.14.9/Submit) id 111M0Nxk066010; Mon, 1 Feb 2021 23:00:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: c720-r368166.fritz.box: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 23:00:23 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: Dima Panov , freebsd-office@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: libreoffice 7.0.3 (FreeBSD 13.0) && audio file insert Message-ID: Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Dima Panov , freebsd-office@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <9c7bb512-8e7e-45a1-a9b5-61860754392f@Canary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT r368166 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! 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Thanks for the pointer Works fine with MMEDIA; on Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub ¡Con Cuba no te metas! «» Don't mess with Cuba! «» Leg Dich nicht mit Kuba an! http://www.cubadebate.cu/noticias/2020/12/25/en-video-con-cuba-no-te-metas/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 1 23:42:13 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2694EB6F8 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2021 23:42:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Received: from outbound1a.ore.mailhop.org (outbound1a.ore.mailhop.org [54.213.22.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DV4H86MQvz3PkB for ; 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ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:54.213.0.0/16, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_ALLOW(-1.00)[outbound.mailhop.org:s=arc-outbound20181012:i=1]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gsicomp.on.ca:s=duo-1597798936401-95ae6877,outbound.mailhop.org:s=dkim-high]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[matt]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gsicomp.on.ca]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[54.213.22.21:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[54.213.22.21:from]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2021 23:42:13 -0000 On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 17:12:40 -0500, Matt Emmerton wrote: > > If I force a mount in readonly mode, I can inspect the drive and at > > first glance, everything seems valid. Since this machine is used for > > backups, I have lots of other medata (eg, checksums) and I'm slowly > > working through to see if anything important is damaged. > > At this point: STOP. > If your data is important to you, get a copy of it NOW. Yep, I've been down this road before, which is why I have backups in the first place. Still working through which is the "best" place to seed my new backups from - the backup system (maybe damaged) or the source system (still healthy). > > From some of the stuff that fsck is finding, it's clear that the > > corruption is in a rather large-and-deep directory tree that was recently deleted. > > It's possible that the 'rm -rf' for this was running in the background > > when the system lost power. > > Therefore deleted files (or "scheduled for deletion") can still be present in the r/o > mount. The thing is - I don't care about the deleted files. What I care about is the fact that trying to "fix" the partially deleted directory tree is sending fsck down paths which might not be right, which has me worried. > > Is there any way to have fsck be more "selective" in what it checks/repairs? > > It's been a long time since I've done low-level filesystem surgery, > > but it seems to me that if I can prevent it from going off into the > > weeds (and trying to repair inode entries that are no longer > > relevant), all will be well. > > Yes. There is a "preen mode" (fsck -p) and a forced mode (fsck -f). > Be careful with specifying -y, it does not always to what you want it to do. Data loss might happen. > > See "man fsck" for details. Preen mode doesn't do anything useful (basically exits immediately). Force mode sounds scary. And I agree that fsck -y might not do the right thing. > > Any advice? I have thought about doing some inspection with "ls -i" > > and then being very selective in the inodes I get fsck to repair, but > > that seems challenging to get right. > > And _that_ is how I finally got my files back (the initial "severe data > loss problem more than 10 years ago): With ls -i, I determined the > inode of an offending directory, then used fsdb (which I found out > about reading a reference manual about a GDR UNIX system) to > remove it, and _then_ (!) fsck was able, after two runs, to bring > the filesystem back to a consistent state. Ahah! fsdb! That's the tool I remember poking around with a long time ago. > All the best, and I hope you can solve that problem. It's one of the very > few cases that can happen, and which teach you a lot about how the UFS > filesystem works. :-) Thank you for your guidance. Hopefully I can get to the bottom of this -- safely :) Matt From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 2 01:09:24 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89D34EF862 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 01:09:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DV6Cl6kj3z3mDH for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 01:09:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2021 17:09:11 -0800 Subject: Re: Pool I/O failure, zpool=$pool error=$6 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <02ea055d-e4d5-15f4-e16a-356d9392d84c@studiokaraoke.co.id> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <33b0e84d-ab50-1512-8778-a1c03fe504bf@holgerdanske.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 17:09:11 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <02ea055d-e4d5-15f4-e16a-356d9392d84c@studiokaraoke.co.id> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DV6Cl6kj3z3mDH X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SUBJECT_HAS_CURRENCY(1.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b:from:127.0.2.255]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 01:09:24 -0000 On 2021-02-01 05:38, Budi Janto wrote: > Hi, > > I need help to fixed this ZFS disk failure after "zpool scrub pool" > whereis run once for a week. > > # uname -mv > FreeBSD 12.2-STABLE r368820 GENERIC  amd64 > > # zcat /var/log/messages.1.bz2 | grep ZFS | more > Feb  1 10:17:51 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[9243]: pool I/O failure, zpool=$pool error=$6 > Feb  1 10:17:51 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[9244]: catastrophic pool I/O failure, > zpool=$pool > Feb  1 10:21:58 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[9278]: pool I/O failure, zpool=$pool error=$6 > Feb  1 10:21:58 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[9279]: catastrophic pool I/O failure, > zpool=$pool > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 kernel: ZFS filesystem version: 5 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 kernel: ZFS storage pool version: features > support (5000) > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[818]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$5993430306208938633 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[820]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$3420027568210384620 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[825]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$5993430306208938633 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[831]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$3420027568210384620 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[836]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$5993430306208938633 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[852]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$3420027568210384620 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[872]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$5993430306208938633 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[880]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$3420027568210384620 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[882]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$5993430306208938633 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[884]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$3420027568210384620 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[885]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$5993430306208938633 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[887]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$3420027568210384620 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[888]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$5993430306208938633 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[890]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$3420027568210384620 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[891]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$5993430306208938633 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[893]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$3420027568210384620 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[894]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$5993430306208938633 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[896]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$3420027568210384620 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[897]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$5993430306208938633 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[899]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$3420027568210384620 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[900]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$5993430306208938633 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[902]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$3420027568210384620 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[903]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$5993430306208938633 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[905]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$3420027568210384620 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[906]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$5993430306208938633 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[908]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$3420027568210384620 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[909]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$5993430306208938633 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[911]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$3420027568210384620 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[912]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$5993430306208938633 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[914]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$3420027568210384620 > Feb  1 11:08:28 SMD-DB-P1 ZFS[915]: vdev state changed, > pool_guid=$1316963245586799881 vdev_guid=$5993430306208938633 > [...] > > After restarting the machines, my HDD gone from BIOS (Undetected). > I try to change port SATA in MB, and change SATA cable. But problem > still persist (There is a delay in the boot process), my questions is > does ZFS scrubbing cause this problem, or indeed a bad hard drive? > > FYI, I use Ironwolf 4 TB x 2 for my pool with striped mode. Thanks First, backup your data. Please download, install, and run Western Digital "Data Lifeguard Diagnostic", and post what it reports (unfortunately, you will need a computer with Microsoft Windows): https://support.wdc.com/downloads.aspx?DL David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 2 01:12:33 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2224E4F8339 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 01:12:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DV6HM6ccVz3n4j for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 01:12:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2021 17:12:21 -0800 Subject: Re: Pool I/O failure, zpool=$pool error=$6 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <02ea055d-e4d5-15f4-e16a-356d9392d84c@studiokaraoke.co.id> <33b0e84d-ab50-1512-8778-a1c03fe504bf@holgerdanske.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <9761b17b-0076-5b7e-4923-776351b51072@holgerdanske.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 17:12:20 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <33b0e84d-ab50-1512-8778-a1c03fe504bf@holgerdanske.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DV6HM6ccVz3n4j X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 184.105.128.27) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[184.105.128.27:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SUBJECT_HAS_CURRENCY(1.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[184.105.128.27:from:127.0.2.255]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 01:12:33 -0000 On 2021-02-01 17:09, David Christensen wrote: > On 2021-02-01 05:38, Budi Janto wrote: >> FYI, I use Ironwolf 4 TB x 2 for my pool with striped mode. Thanks > Please download, install, and run Western Digital "Data Lifeguard > Diagnostic" ... Sorry, I got my branding mixed up. Ironwolf is Seagate. You want "SeaTools": https://www.seagate.com/support/downloads/seatools/ David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 2 03:04:21 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086464FAFE2 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 03:04:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.134]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DV8mM4x1dz3tSb for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 03:04:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.5.95.157]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1Mdva2-1lhURl2jKA-00b6It; Tue, 02 Feb 2021 04:04:15 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 04:04:14 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Matt Emmerton" Cc: Subject: Re: Help recovering damaged drive - fsck segfaults, read-only mount looks ok Message-Id: <20210202040414.d0227107.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <016b01d6f8f3$d8853c00$898fb400$@gsicomp.on.ca> References: <012a01d6f81e$3103d390$930b7ab0$@gsicomp.on.ca> <20210201155842.1e529018.freebsd@edvax.de> <016b01d6f8f3$d8853c00$898fb400$@gsicomp.on.ca> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:98DkwH3Qy48CktsarZcUiSO2cWL1dsHNs+bKuj7g2PiJ52vxISG y20QKABI3EIc7/4SSOEU8vUHI0cCQlPTJuSgQ/BdrZ35VDn7DKsv4hOstXD0/RgtdLHZyAA /Fg9vtD4UuIG4Ri6dzWFyqE2USDhtNHapLWW/PGapBpPxBR9UHk70Hk6qzYZfwrebdMfEKQ 4NV9aiiKq4Awf/vdXECiA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:LX4HJJJZgw4=:54ayKZXbyOjC1nz70jyzpH MSpVBlDg0FKeJS0d+A5J9xgWRm388R+WwXJj9pCmR4mtDlVms+2KB5+tpKNz6i6LVM2jsxNTv xl1sTRw36IaYHaPgLpTUgv2MvxLzigMKO4bZbSuJccLgp1kQeMWY4EwbQvuxyrIdPODRYp8t/ fmVvhTq5kZ2jPsKZ7AsRQDxQDZxGFurIX9fAqGb1nr+608gfCNQ2FWXRWjYWOQqxG/NHBJmNH wSlcPAaq+SzGd6qRSuxsWyPTzkKwlnM/e1eCzXOU0rcXR6NwpsbwfLb77Wb0YEKn+0g4RQJji K1iTQYy8j9uD30PGE4HKhwvkB3VkNCEDk9ngl+s/X6fXNCYTZgcoX/bYCiZZKDcd1wa8r+RlA BK+Ne8qeNFwQu9lkDTk0w+ip5A97MeT1oa30qJQpOeTWNkDnrSvtuQ834+nAX X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DV8mM4x1dz3tSb X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.134) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.60 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.5.95.157:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[212.227.126.134:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[212.227.126.134:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.134:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.134:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 03:04:21 -0000 On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 18:42:04 -0500, Matt Emmerton wrote: > On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 17:12:40 -0500, Matt Emmerton wrote: > > > > If I force a mount in readonly mode, I can inspect the drive and at > > > first glance, everything seems valid. Since this machine is used for > > > backups, I have lots of other medata (eg, checksums) and I'm slowly > > > working through to see if anything important is damaged. > > > > At this point: STOP. > > If your data is important to you, get a copy of it NOW. > > Yep, I've been down this road before, which is why I have backups in the > first place. Still working through which is the "best" place to seed my new > backups from - the backup system (maybe damaged) or the source system (still > healthy). Probably the source system. In worst case you can compare (at least via checksums) to see if everything you have is what you expect it to be. Nothing is worse than assuming you got your file back - same location as before, same name, same size, just discovering that is has been filled with \0 bytes. That happened to me a few times on a buggy system that froze. Luckily, with "grepdisk" I was able to find the expected data "elsewhere" on the disk... :-) > The thing is - I don't care about the deleted files. What I care about is > the fact that trying to "fix" the partially deleted directory tree is > sending fsck down paths which might not be right, which has me worried. So that is not a problem - any unallocated stuff will be in lost+found/ and can then be deleted from there (if fsck doesn't already perform the pending removal). Everything else should go unaffected, except - and that's the thing where guessing, hoping and maybe praying starts - some other aspect of the filesystem has been damaged. The case you're seeing that fsck segfaults is a reminder that there is a severe (!) problem with the filesystem, significant in a way that even fsck cannot repair it. In my (probably different) case that problem was a directory called .snap that stopped fsck from doing its job. I don't know why or how, but after I removed it forcedly (on the still unclean filesystem, that is), fsck would run two times, and everything was back to almost-normal. > Preen mode doesn't do anything useful (basically exits immediately). > Force mode sounds scary. And I agree that fsck -y might not do the right > thing. The -f flag is especially used for the case when you want to check a filesystem that fsck assumes to be clean and therefore does not perform the check. The -y flag will answer "YES" to all questions, even if "NO" would have been your choice for a particular case, e. g., salvaging files, removing entries, filling files at expected size with \0 bytes, or truncating files to zero size. > > And _that_ is how I finally got my files back (the initial "severe data > > loss problem more than 10 years ago): With ls -i, I determined the > > inode of an offending directory, then used fsdb (which I found out > > about reading a reference manual about a GDR UNIX system) to > > remove it, and _then_ (!) fsck was able, after two runs, to bring > > the filesystem back to a consistent state. > > Ahah! fsdb! That's the tool I remember poking around with a long time ago. Yes, this is the tool to "delete on an unclean filesystem" so that fsck will then pick up the deletion and clean up what's remaining. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 2 09:22:43 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C440A52AF7A for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 09:22:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@casidy.com) Received: from smtp4gsys.galacsys.net (smtp4.galacsys.net [217.24.89.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.galacsys.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DVK8y6L9qz4jml for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 09:22:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@casidy.com) Received: from smtp4gsys.galacsys.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4gsys.galacsys.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D1741804FC for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 10:22:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.17.25.143] (host.138.62.23.62.rev.coltfrance.com [62.23.62.138]) (Authenticated user) by smtp4gsys.galacsys.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 10:22:39 +0100 (CET) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: freebsd@casidy.com Subject: Installing git draws a lot of dependencies Message-ID: <77e28e72-57e7-f03e-b352-96dc066932f9@casidy.com> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 10:22:36 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: fr X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DVK8y6L9qz4jml X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@casidy.com has no SPF policy when checking 217.24.89.12) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@casidy.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.20 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[217.24.89.12:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[217.24.89.12:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[casidy.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:28855, ipnet:217.24.80.0/20, country:FR]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[217.24.89.12:from] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 09:22:43 -0000 Hi guys, Can you point me to a discussion explaining why we have to keep up with sooo many dependencies? I assume this matter was address many times and I don't want to directly bring up the topic... again. I have just installed FreeBSD12 on a new system. First thing I want to reinstall is git. But I can't believe what I am reading, when I do 'pkg install git' I can see a lot of dependencies where I can't see the relationship with git. Installing git will have, amongst others... * bash    I don't need that * perl5  Come on! I just want git! * python What? Why do you need Perl5 in the first place? * subversion  Git is using subversion??? * tpm-emulator  Emulator of what? Installing git will consume up to 367 MiB of my SDCard on my Pi... Yeah, I know it's not new. Just want to know what is the very good reason behind that. Thanks for enlighting me. Philippe From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 2 09:44:14 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A4F52BA5B for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 09:44:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@osfux.nl) Received: from vm1982.osfux.nl (vm1982.osfux.nl [IPv6:2a03:5500:1724:55:79:99:187:212]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DVKdn4X9Gz4kd8 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 09:44:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@osfux.nl) Received: from vm1982.osfux.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vm1982.osfux.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CCF121A for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 10:44:05 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none shortcircuit=no X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 Received: from [192.168.9.195] (unknown [185.59.222.117]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-384) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by vm1982.osfux.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 10:44:05 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Installing git draws a lot of dependencies To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <77e28e72-57e7-f03e-b352-96dc066932f9@casidy.com> From: Ruben Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 10:44:04 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <77e28e72-57e7-f03e-b352-96dc066932f9@casidy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DVKdn4X9Gz4kd8 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a03:5500:1724:55:79:99:187:212:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[osfux.nl:s=default]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a03:5500:1724:55:79:99:187:212:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[osfux.nl:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[osfux.nl,reject]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8315, ipnet:2a03:5500::/31, country:NL]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 09:44:14 -0000 Hi Philippe, Have you looked at the dependencies involved with installing git-lite ? Looks like a better fit for your sd-card. Regards, Ruben On 2/2/21 10:22 AM, freebsd@casidy.com wrote: > Hi guys, > > Can you point me to a discussion explaining why we have to keep up with > sooo many dependencies? > > I assume this matter was address many times and I don't want to directly > bring up the topic... again. > > > I have just installed FreeBSD12 on a new system. First thing I want to > reinstall is git. > > But I can't believe what I am reading, when I do 'pkg install git' I can > see a lot of dependencies where I can't see the relationship with git. > > Installing git will have, amongst others... > >  * bash    I don't need that >  * perl5  Come on! I just want git! >  * python What? Why do you need Perl5 in the first place? >  * subversion  Git is using subversion??? >  * tpm-emulator  Emulator of what? > > Installing git will consume up to 367 MiB of my SDCard on my Pi... > > Yeah, I know it's not new. Just want to know what is the very good > reason behind that. > > Thanks for enlighting me. > > Philippe > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 2 10:22:04 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0CF852C662 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 10:22:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (mx1.dismail.de [78.46.223.134]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx1.dismail.de", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DVLTR6T1yz4mj6 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 10:22:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 4e0d6647 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 11:22:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de ( [10.240.26.11]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 85f1d4da for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 11:22:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 344d6fdf for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 11:22:01 +0100 (CET) Received: by dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 1c0846a8 (TLSv1.3:AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO) for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 11:22:00 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 05:21:55 -0500 From: LuMiWa To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: vi editor Message-ID: <20210202052155.3a6ca086@dismail.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DVLTR6T1yz4mj6 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[dismail.de:s=20190914]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[dismail.de:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:78.46.223.134]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[78.46.223.134:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[dismail.de:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[dismail.de,reject]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:78.46.0.0/15, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 10:22:04 -0000 Hi! My system: FreeBSD 12.2-RELEASE-p3 (amd64) I do not what happened but yesterday when I start typing it doesn't respond on the keyboard immediately. I need to type from 5 to 10 times and than start. I never had the same problem in 20 years. For user I have ksh93 shell and root sh but on the both are the same. Thank you. --=20 =E2=80=9CWise men speak because they have something to say; fools because t= hey have to say something.=E2=80=9D --Plato From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 2 11:50:01 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D77B52E75E for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 11:50:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fgattermeier@ernw.de) Received: from mx1.ernw.net (mx1.ernw.net [IPv6:2003:60:4010:10a0::11]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx1.ernw.net", Issuer "ernw ca1" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DVNQw48fhz4s9H for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 11:50:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fgattermeier@ernw.de) Received: from mail1.ernw.net (unknown [IPv6:fd00:2001:0:d001::30]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-384) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (Client CN "mail1.ernw.net", Issuer "ernw ca1" (verified OK)) by mx1.ernw.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30AC82730F for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 12:49:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from [IPv6:fd00:2001:0:a020:40f2:50a5:1fc6:cc1] (unknown [IPv6:fd00:2001:0:a020:40f2:50a5:1fc6:cc1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-384) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail1.ernw.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1A463640F1B for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 12:49:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bhyve: virtio-net very slow with FreeBSD 12.0 Host From: Florian Gattermeier To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 12:51:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20190205150522.635b9e34.ole@free.de> Organization: ERNW Enno Rey Netzwerke GmbH Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.38.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DVNQw48fhz4s9H X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of fgattermeier@ernw.de designates 2003:60:4010:10a0::11 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=fgattermeier@ernw.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.30 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2003:60:4010:10a0::11:from]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2003:60:4010:10a0::11:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[ernw.de]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3320, ipnet:2003::/19, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 17:24:04 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 11:50:01 -0000 Hi Ole, we had exactly the same problem on a FreeBSD 12.2 host with bhyve. We fixed it by disabling "large receive offloading" (ifconfig -lro). Thanks to soupdriver from the netgate forum [0]! 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For now I am forced to use Outlook by change= s that my employer has made to our mailsystem. Next, I'm not quite sure where to post this cautionary tail. But I do thin= k this information may be useful for people working on the tool etcupdate. I built stable/12 from git for the first time. mergemaster didn't work bec= ause all the header files that start with # $FreeBSD$ had lost their subver= sion revision numbers. Then I saw on a mailing list that we are supposed t= o use etcupdate now. For whatever reason, I had to use "etcupdate resolve"= and it insisted that it resolve every file. Then I rebooted, and nothing worked. The internet connection didn't come u= p, and the file system was mounted read only. After much detective work, I= realized that none of the files in /etc/rc.d were executable. I used chmo= d to set them all executable, and then it worked!!!! So maybe the writers of etcupdate and mergemaster need to make sure that fi= le permissions are set correctly. Thanks, Stephen From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 2 21:30:22 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F9953E7B5 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 21:30:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DVdJY0NVBz4bpw for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 21:30:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 112LU8Xf067543; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 14:30:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Subject: Re: Installing git draws a lot of dependencies To: freebsd@casidy.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <77e28e72-57e7-f03e-b352-96dc066932f9@casidy.com> Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org From: Gary Aitken Message-ID: <5fb32025-5232-ec35-0aa9-81757db8d1c9@dreamchaser.org> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 14:25:32 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <77e28e72-57e7-f03e-b352-96dc066932f9@casidy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Tue, 02 Feb 2021 14:30:08 -0700 (MST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DVdJY0NVBz4bpw X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 21:30:22 -0000 On 2/2/21 2:22 AM, freebsd@casidy.com wrote: > Can you point me to a discussion explaining why we have to keep up > with sooo many dependencies? I'm on 11.4 but try looking at pkg-descr-lite or pkg-descr-tiny in the port to see which one fits your needs better. They both seem to have packages. Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 2 21:36:07 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3BA53EB0D for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 21:36:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DVdRB3Fbhz4bxB for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 21:36:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 112LZtq9067565; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 14:35:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Subject: Re: vi editor To: LuMiWa , FreeBSD Questions References: <20210202052155.3a6ca086@dismail.de> Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org From: Gary Aitken Message-ID: <62211c3b-90c5-1fe5-84d5-6aa74da1e4f0@dreamchaser.org> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 14:31:18 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210202052155.3a6ca086@dismail.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Tue, 02 Feb 2021 14:35:55 -0700 (MST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DVdRB3Fbhz4bxB X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.26 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.962]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 21:36:07 -0000 On 2/2/21 3:21 AM, LuMiWa via freebsd-questions wrote: > I do not what happened but yesterday when I start typing it doesn't > respond on the keyboard immediately. I need to type from 5 to 10 times > and than start. I never had the same problem in 20 years. > For user I have ksh93 shell and root sh but on the both are the same. Don't know if this will help or not, but have you tried: reset What does "top 5" show? Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 2 22:22:31 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F030953F5F4 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 22:22:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DVfSk61xsz4fJf for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 22:22:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.5.95.157]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue109 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N7Qp1-1m0i800kPt-017pRt; Tue, 02 Feb 2021 23:21:49 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 23:21:48 +0100 From: Polytropon To: LuMiWa Cc: LuMiWa via freebsd-questions Subject: Re: vi editor Message-Id: <20210202232148.995f86c7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20210202052155.3a6ca086@dismail.de> References: <20210202052155.3a6ca086@dismail.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:kxJNQX2NCG9XXstn1n5gZQnWAFmYGSlUcGIcmPF1s/Olf2jrfal VddHjHtz91rszK3YoCjsE6Ku5S4sLsO+F9r8Bi4AFknsq2ZyyOO+H96NthP1BpMlAOvO+Mm 4FKuBtr5yc8OZWgcLMoy6ZSkJHRFBG1TNO68Kq2Du010o9W9tmiegd7+ek3sJ4ZQU4yegci MTsb/VMH+udNEjA15Y23w== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:obTNRq/uSs8=:jdmKC+IGm2kl0lTjMeE9RP Yy9/nYqsIzq4JUGeXHlJjgsJAgfkM3fFAesSBMF/x39jXCvX376yExEO5dji8FB3YGOntJAf2 bJ1pIqRdDOtaAOooPfIqWcTi6Tb8UcDwLoDo1O8NBr0j57n6AFP6sGa4UzP9w6lnq0GHX+XpH /Wqj65g3lhgksqh1B2HWNBIzmf7yRs0g4jo7Td/UiNPjxa4vfpjwltTX/8/4c+VQC5aFVAgrH jqzK+nYuu+W+bn3HBqWiHLJpP5FN0/GbcFgQL6byVSYYhF71TdjomyX5l5NAjZU7aLL2+sTBq Ld7PWIaHQlFsHTWA2AwiN6NaJumcaz5Ed5mq4WP0HYUTiVe9tbBnj+0rPhuP6q262JNA5FMw0 J5CxZzniBvN13moLLcga97yIBI8OuNMlRsf3FquaD/v6et3BR2K2tJYkKqTQQ X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DVfSk61xsz4fJf X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.17.10) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.60 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[212.227.17.10:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.5.95.157:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[212.227.17.10:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.17.10:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.17.10:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 22:22:32 -0000 On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 05:21:55 -0500, LuMiWa via freebsd-questions wrote: > I do not what happened but yesterday when I start typing it doesn't > respond on the keyboard immediately. I need to type from 5 to 10 times > and than start. I never had the same problem in 20 years. > For user I have ksh93 shell and root sh but on the both are the same. A few questions: Does this delay affect shell interaction already, or is it present only in vi? Does it happen inside an X session (terminal) or at the console? If inside X, which input method are you using, and how? Do you use the system locally or via network connection? Lagging _could_ be a problem of networking (if networking is involved here). But any program generating system load could interfere with input processing, so check "top" output for any suspicious values. Also try "reset" to get rid of any terminal misconfiguration that might have happened. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 2 22:38:56 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79E2253FAE7 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 22:38:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [204.107.128.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DVfqg5Kfxz4fW0 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 22:38:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [198.74.231.63]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57BCF68DD8 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 22:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (doug@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 112MXEGm044381 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 22:33:14 GMT (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) with ESMTP id 112MXEIm044378 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 22:33:14 GMT (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 22:33:14 +0000 (UTC) From: doug@safeport.com Reply-To: doug@fledge.watson.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vi editor In-Reply-To: <20210202232148.995f86c7.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <684393e-fc17-6e69-8a52-3ce52db2b5e4@safeport.com> References: <20210202052155.3a6ca086@dismail.de> <20210202232148.995f86c7.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DVfqg5Kfxz4fW0 X-Spamd-Bar: +++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=fail (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of doug@safeport.com does not designate 204.107.128.30 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=doug@safeport.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [7.47 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[doug@fledge.watson.org]; REPLYTO_DN_EQ_FROM_DN(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[204.107.128.30:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11288, ipnet:204.107.128.0/24, country:US]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_SPF_FAIL(1.00)[-all:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.97)[0.974]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[safeport.com]; REPLYTO_DOM_NEQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[204.107.128.30:from:127.0.2.255]; VIOLATED_DIRECT_SPF(3.50)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 22:38:56 -0000 On Tue, 2 Feb 2021, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 05:21:55 -0500, LuMiWa via freebsd-questions wrote: >> I do not what happened but yesterday when I start typing it doesn't >> respond on the keyboard immediately. I need to type from 5 to 10 times >> and than start. I never had the same problem in 20 years. >> For user I have ksh93 shell and root sh but on the both are the same. > > A few questions: > > Does this delay affect shell interaction already, or is it present > only in vi? > > Does it happen inside an X session (terminal) or at the console? > If inside X, which input method are you using, and how? > > Do you use the system locally or via network connection? > > Lagging _could_ be a problem of networking (if networking is > involved here). But any program generating system load could > interfere with input processing, so check "top" output for > any suspicious values. Also try "reset" to get rid of any > terminal misconfiguration that might have happened. > Or DNS issues From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 2 23:11:57 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013954F8B17 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 23:11:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (mx1.dismail.de [78.46.223.134]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx1.dismail.de", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DVgYl458sz4hc3 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 23:11:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id c541a897; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 00:11:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp2.dismail.de ( [10.240.26.12]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 494d940f; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 00:11:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp2.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id c21d9a1e; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 00:11:52 +0100 (CET) Received: by dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 3f1c39a9 (TLSv1.3:AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO); Wed, 3 Feb 2021 00:11:52 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 18:11:48 -0500 From: LuMiWa To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: vi editor Message-ID: <20210202181148.2ea69176@dismail.de> In-Reply-To: <20210202232148.995f86c7.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20210202052155.3a6ca086@dismail.de> <20210202232148.995f86c7.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DVgYl458sz4hc3 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[dismail.de:s=20190914]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:78.46.223.134]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[dismail.de:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[78.46.223.134:from]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[dismail.de,reject]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[dismail.de:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:78.46.0.0/15, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 23:11:57 -0000 On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 23:21:48 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 05:21:55 -0500, LuMiWa via freebsd-questions wrote: > > I do not what happened but yesterday when I start typing it doesn't > > respond on the keyboard immediately. I need to type from 5 to 10 > > times and than start. I never had the same problem in 20 years. > > For user I have ksh93 shell and root sh but on the both are the > > same. >=20 > A few questions: >=20 > Does this delay affect shell interaction already, or is it present > only in vi? >=20 > Does it happen inside an X session (terminal) or at the console? > If inside X, which input method are you using, and how? >=20 > Do you use the system locally or via network connection? >=20 > Lagging _could_ be a problem of networking (if networking is > involved here). But any program generating system load could > interfere with input processing, so check "top" output for > any suspicious values. Also try "reset" to get rid of any > terminal misconfiguration that might have happened. >=20 >=20 >=20 I am sorry hat I didn't sent an email about my mistake or. better the keyboard problem. I had the old Cherry which is connected with adapter to usb port and I had sometimes problem but never with vi. Please, accept my apologize. --=20 =E2=80=9CWise men speak because they have something to say; fools because t= hey have to say something.=E2=80=9D --Plato From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 2 23:22:23 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708614F8F11 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 23:22:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DVgnn42wbz4jQP for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 23:22:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.5.95.157]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1Mcpz0-1lggex3x6w-00Zyed; Wed, 03 Feb 2021 00:21:54 +0100 Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 00:21:53 +0100 From: Polytropon To: LuMiWa Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Polytropon Subject: Re: vi editor Message-Id: <20210203002153.81725c82.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20210202181148.2ea69176@dismail.de> References: <20210202052155.3a6ca086@dismail.de> <20210202232148.995f86c7.freebsd@edvax.de> <20210202181148.2ea69176@dismail.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:UrEaMIK2SoSB0i0BpEOvVzdehWyY0gyA7jY+SuUI65JulMwe+vY uUXu0NxoKz8mN7lHkKhP18qpeRA0ErVa9jdy9bwKmzbCVVaBNrdPOYbUATprIDVAnk/tf2k uoGOv2Rwtsemkl0DLxhPGmC05FDEKSyZ7lfmVS2no4VHk7hCoabOqhMmx5uQbw/SX2j3FFP CQN8vxeNfggv8l7HV7lzw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:NuJyi1M0MnI=:Tobvq+BLGR/vnLkDoywdc4 jiVcEPA1EFLbhhMeGNagOyhz2VV53jzvHrYWCzvh4OApIYEWeGg0XB856qe/3VOT8ZTaUVQ9g ryCQyarwRIDOkl5Hr6PzmGiKfd8SvUrMx/V5LvGAJaH0Vp67XlamaBTBG8io9XyCOHXhfVG8j 0dLppyYQOD+z2EYUmv1iwr045M8Y1mW9crms3/Zkbf3xEHCcBDIz1JsQjw1RyoPWcEXNCF1nN AYcV4a8ACu4uYDDnGODOnuR+6S0wY5q3em/0+xQEb3RC9yy6pki/S49x+p3oWgfuZn3Aj91u3 IjqKO4MExt5IRVRMzb0D1VptICaZUzxiXGjmb05kwQMQIn8j+ZVCHj/QJMbbstKMe2ecDCB6K /SMq0UMSvTJLT/uxMMAJKC84DDlw6uREGw5zlRFQBTKk1hBYgY12KeWIkFHx0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DVgnn42wbz4jQP X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.187) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.60 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.5.95.157:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[212.227.126.187:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[212.227.126.187:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.187:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.187:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 23:22:23 -0000 On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 18:11:48 -0500, LuMiWa wrote: > On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 23:21:48 +0100 > Polytropon wrote: > > > On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 05:21:55 -0500, LuMiWa via freebsd-questions wrote: > > > I do not what happened but yesterday when I start typing it doesn't > > > respond on the keyboard immediately. I need to type from 5 to 10 > > > times and than start. I never had the same problem in 20 years. > > > For user I have ksh93 shell and root sh but on the both are the > > > same. > > > > A few questions: > > > > Does this delay affect shell interaction already, or is it present > > only in vi? > > > > Does it happen inside an X session (terminal) or at the console? > > If inside X, which input method are you using, and how? > > > > Do you use the system locally or via network connection? > > > > Lagging _could_ be a problem of networking (if networking is > > involved here). But any program generating system load could > > interfere with input processing, so check "top" output for > > any suspicious values. Also try "reset" to get rid of any > > terminal misconfiguration that might have happened. > > > > > > > > I am sorry hat I didn't sent an email about my mistake or. better the > keyboard problem. I had the old Cherry which is connected with adapter > to usb port and I had sometimes problem but never with vi. Regarding USB (and especially converters from PS/2 to USB): Sometimes, they are discovered by the kernel _after_ the login prompt has been displayed, i. e., after booting completed. No idea why, probably a "slow" firmware inside the converter that needs some time to load. Sidenote: I am currently using an IBM model M keyboard with such an adapter, or to be precise, a chain of adapters (HIL to DIN, DIN to PS/2, PS/2 to USB), really _sometimes_ the keyboard isn't present yet when the system displays the XDM login screen; a few seconds later, it works as expected. And it will continue working after I have turned to dust many years in the distant future... ;-) So what you've been observing could be fully normal for your hardware setting (including the "sometimes" aspect). Also note that even though USB is a fundamental part of the kernel, the kernel changes, therefore "detection order" might be affected after a system (or kernel) upgrade. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 3 06:50:22 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF5E52D121 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 06:50:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@geeks.org) Received: from mail.geeks.org (jacobs.geeks.org [204.153.247.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DVskj27TKz3RCQ for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 06:50:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@geeks.org) Received: from mail.geeks.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by after-clamsmtpd.geeks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0218C1177F for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 00:50:13 -0600 (CST) Received: by mail.geeks.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id E0DC91177E; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 00:50:12 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 00:50:12 -0600 From: Doug McIntyre To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing git draws a lot of dependencies Message-ID: References: <77e28e72-57e7-f03e-b352-96dc066932f9@casidy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <77e28e72-57e7-f03e-b352-96dc066932f9@casidy.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DVskj27TKz3RCQ X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of merlyn@geeks.org designates 204.153.247.1 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=merlyn@geeks.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[204.153.247.1:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[204.153.247.1:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[geeks.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7753, ipnet:204.153.244.0/22, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2021 06:50:22 -0000 You get all of that because git is a pile of mostly C, but also perl and python and bash scripts to get the full experience. It has 1000s of corner cases for doing everything under the sun. Your other replies have already pointed out redone or liteweight packages that strip out many of the corner cases to get it closer to the core program that 99.99% of the people need. But if you want the full deal, you'll have to pull in everything to deal with it all. On Tue, Feb 02, 2021 at 10:22:36AM +0100, freebsd@casidy.com wrote: > Hi guys, > > Can you point me to a discussion explaining why we have to keep up with > sooo many dependencies? > > I assume this matter was address many times and I don't want to directly > bring up the topic... again. > > > I have just installed FreeBSD12 on a new system. First thing I want to > reinstall is git. > > But I can't believe what I am reading, when I do 'pkg install git' I can > see a lot of dependencies where I can't see the relationship with git. > > Installing git will have, amongst others... > > * bash    I don't need that > * perl5  Come on! 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Just want to know what is the very good > reason behind that. > > Thanks for enlighting me. > > Philippe > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 3 12:51:58 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C9F536488 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:51:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (fournil.foucry.net [95.217.83.231]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DW1lx2lW4z4YRr for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:51:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (unknown [192.168.12.17]) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223A21E054 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:51:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at foucry.net Received: from mail.foucry.net ([192.168.12.17]) by mail.foucry.net (mail.foucry.net [192.168.12.17]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LVBP4YxWrn0R for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:51:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.foucry.net (Postfix, from userid 58) id 8AA5F1E1AD; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:51:48 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=foucry.net; s=dkim; t=1612356708; bh=Okbr5AC2KLgpClEg85NFBf1Czle/lHlUB8iI/h5WWFk=; h=Date:From:To:Subject; b=EgSCNsg2wW8hWwaSwnI+PrtROe+CQ5GLop7ttpfgF2jORVdeX6nesI87F9Z9melQR 9IX0tvFHuWyhWGd9S4I5JsDUC9/DIggS04+gUQXfnBuF4oRTqnRtI0KGIq4RJZgCJm A3SAJSVOZmZM7xd7DHZosQccqOS2Pd0r5HnsKHUI= Received: from mithril.foucry.net (lfbn-dij-1-1138-109.w90-125.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.125.86.109]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-384) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 473D81E0B9 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:51:46 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=foucry.net; s=dkim; t=1612356706; bh=Okbr5AC2KLgpClEg85NFBf1Czle/lHlUB8iI/h5WWFk=; h=Date:From:To:Subject; b=isW7T/dboYuqfDKa74hPDgCcB8bN7/jZ2MzjNmbVRnt8hx4IrEj5a3kBCSjwrfVO0 k7dBs97BgaBIjD8uzjFSkZ85QM8KGkpeP/u0WXqTSHn5QwBI5vptlpdXdXlu4GJ7xp dWv0H2jxIyws4hxLJm8JMtUvoOP8Yf26equfLJRw= Received: from mithril.foucry.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mithril.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DF568A4F for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 13:51:45 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 13:51:45 +0100 From: Jacques Foucry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Pleroma, erlang problem. 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The host was running 12.2-RELEASE-p1. Yesterday, I upgraded the host to 12.2-RELEASE-p3. Since this upgrade, Pleroma does not start and it seems it's an erlang problem. When I try run launch is by hand, it fail: MIX_ENV=prod mix phx.server ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/erlang/erts-10.3.5.15/bin/beam.smp: Undefined symbol "pthread_setname_np@FBSD_1.6" I did not know anythÑ–ng about erlang. Could it be a bug on it? I use a poudriere. I recompile erlang, look at threard options, all are checked. Any advice are welcome. Thanks for reading me. -- Jacques Foucry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 3 17:57:46 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819CB53E921 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 17:57:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DW8Xn6jz2z3FW3 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 17:57:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Received: from rain.home (pool-173-48-64-3.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.64.3]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4DW8Xm546qz1YH3 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:57:44 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=panix.com; s=panix; t=1612375064; bh=jsC6VliNxRXIi1qG3S/1aHpbYWgxEY0wV9WHbidCUqw=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=M8/e9kms1Z1jwsQm8xvLrDrsIsUDbF1KiFRwPmiWeAWN2iCntEzibXjqQ1skY7fj3 qKrzD4TtCbcvxZtBA95N5+0569QD+WySaTTjd9mqaTacMiO1HAuOpy7OcA8c0aqNol 2rNic5qCuuyj3ZsGOmqF+82dLcyNmm/wv+oZs/0c= Subject: Re: Pleroma, erlang problem. To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Kurt Hackenberg Message-ID: <354af4d4-4578-2688-d5b7-f3602465f3ef@panix.com> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:57:43 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DW8Xn6jz2z3FW3 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=panix.com header.s=panix header.b=M8/e9kms; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kh@panix.com designates 166.84.1.89 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kh@panix.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.20 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[166.84.1.89:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:166.84.0.0/16]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[166.84.1.89:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[panix.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[173.48.64.3:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2033, ipnet:166.84.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[panix.com:s=panix]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[panix.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[panix.com:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2021 17:57:46 -0000 On 2/3/21 7:51 AM, Jacques Foucry wrote: > Since this upgrade, Pleroma does not start and it seems it's an erlang > problem. > > When I try run launch is by hand, it fail: > > MIX_ENV=prod mix phx.server > ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/erlang/erts-10.3.5.15/bin/beam.smp: Undefined symbol "pthread_setname_np@FBSD_1.6" > > I did not know anythÑ–ng about erlang. Could it be a bug on it? > > I use a poudriere. I recompile erlang, look at threard options, all are > checked. Well, apparently it links to a shared library, which means some symbols have to be resolved when erlang is run. Apparently erlang (I guess an executable "beam.smp") tries to call a function pthread_name_np() that's not in any shared library included in the original link. Posix thread functions are in a separate library. Is beam.smp linked with -lpthread? It probably is. See "man pthread". Functions pthread_*_np are non-portable FreeBSD extensions to the Posix thread standard. They could come and go across releases, virtual machines, and so on -- though pthread_setname_np() has a man page on my 13-CURRENT system. The rest of that undefined symbol -- the part "@FBSD_1.6" -- is a mystery to me. It looks like a version number of an ancient FreeBSD, but I've never heard of such version numbers being included in symbols. I don't know what that's about. That function sets the name of a Posix thread. Probably erlang would run fine without setting those names. If the trouble is just that function is missing, and the standard Posix thread functions are present and linked, then, as a crude, short-term workaround, if you're willing to modify the source code slightly, you could remove calls to that function. 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While watching for them to update, I noticed the Git migration and have switched to Git. The releng/12.2 at [ https://git.freebsd.org/ | https://git.freebsd.org/ ] hasn't updated since 1/28 (SVN showed same date/time). Have they really not been updated? I just want to verify that I'm looking in the right place. Thanks. 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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 07:29:30 -0800 (PST) > Since the last batch of Errata notices were sent last week, I've been watching for the 12.2 releng branch to be updated. While watching for them to update, I noticed the Git migration and have switched to Git. The releng/12.2 at [ https://git.freebsd.org/ | https://git.freebsd.org/ ] hasn't updated since 1/28 (SVN showed same date/time). > > Have they really not been updated? I just want to verify that I'm looking in the right place. You can check current status of releng/12.2 branch with following URL. https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/log/?h=releng/12.2 As you can see latest update of releng/12.2 is 2021-01-29 01:17:51 +0000. So your source tree is up to date. --- Yasuhiro Kimura From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 3 20:31:23 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B9752B794 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 20:31:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from casey@scottmail.org) Received: from bearcat.phantombsd.org (scottmail.org [209.206.250.76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DWCy255Hxz3mWm for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 20:31:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from casey@scottmail.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bearcat.phantombsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19EC8280A72; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:31:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from bearcat.phantombsd.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bearcat.phantombsd.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id tUuM1V6bevJP; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:31:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bearcat.phantombsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B87280A58; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:31:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bearcat.phantombsd.org Received: from bearcat.phantombsd.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bearcat.phantombsd.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id C_Cbn4aqDwQn; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:31:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from bearcat.phantombsd.org (mail.scottmail.org [192.168.1.20]) by bearcat.phantombsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04592802DF; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:31:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:31:20 -0800 (PST) From: Casey Scott To: Yasuhiro Kimura Cc: freebsd-questions Message-ID: <1022784172.377.1612384280691.JavaMail.zimbra@scottmail.org> In-Reply-To: <2127629787.366.1612384173953.JavaMail.zimbra@scottmail.org> References: <633599346.139.1612366170901.JavaMail.zimbra@scottmail.org> <20210204.044013.1294918917795136507.yasu@utahime.org> <2127629787.366.1612384173953.JavaMail.zimbra@scottmail.org> Subject: Re: Source repo's haven't updated? 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From: "Yasuhiro Kimura" To: "freebsd-questions" Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 11:40:13 AM Subject: Re: Source repo's haven't updated? From: Casey Scott Subject: Source repo's haven't updated? Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 07:29:30 -0800 (PST) Since the last batch of Errata notices were sent last week, I've been watching for the 12.2 releng branch to be updated. While watching for them to update, I noticed the Git migration and have switched to Git. The releng/12.2 at [ https://git.freebsd.org/ | https://git.freebsd.org/ ] hasn't updated since 1/28 (SVN showed same date/time). Have they really not been updated? I just want to verify that I'm looking in the right place. You can check current status of releng/12.2 branch with following URL. https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/log/?h=releng/12.2 As you can see latest update of releng/12.2 is 2021-01-29 01:17:51 +0000. So your source tree is up to date. --- Yasuhiro Kimura _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 3 20:33:39 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6085F52BA3B for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 20:33:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from casey@scottmail.org) Received: from bearcat.phantombsd.org (scottmail.org [209.206.250.76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DWD0f2b4Jz3n41 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 20:33:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from casey@scottmail.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bearcat.phantombsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241A9280A58; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:33:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from bearcat.phantombsd.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bearcat.phantombsd.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id nRScwpKyfFMa; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:33:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bearcat.phantombsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BDB280A72; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:33:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bearcat.phantombsd.org Received: from bearcat.phantombsd.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bearcat.phantombsd.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id FavYJyRbsisU; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:33:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from bearcat.phantombsd.org (mail.scottmail.org [192.168.1.20]) by bearcat.phantombsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCABF280A58; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:33:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:33:36 -0800 (PST) From: Casey Scott To: Yasuhiro Kimura Cc: freebsd-questions Message-ID: <69393174.382.1612384416839.JavaMail.zimbra@scottmail.org> In-Reply-To: <1022784172.377.1612384280691.JavaMail.zimbra@scottmail.org> References: <633599346.139.1612366170901.JavaMail.zimbra@scottmail.org> <20210204.044013.1294918917795136507.yasu@utahime.org> <2127629787.366.1612384173953.JavaMail.zimbra@scottmail.org> <1022784172.377.1612384280691.JavaMail.zimbra@scottmail.org> Subject: Re: Source repo's haven't updated? 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Not sure why the info got clipped. Anyway. TLDR; TZ differences between git log output and the status site you provided below. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Casey Scott" To: "Yasuhiro Kimura" Cc: "freebsd-questions" Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 12:31:20 PM Subject: Re: Source repo's haven't updated? I think I see what's going on here. git log is reporting against a different time zone. ---------------- commit 32ed3ad05e5aecd919e879e9440a5b2f86c794db (grafted, HEAD -> releng/12.2, origin/releng/12.2) Author: Ed Maste Date: Thu Jan 28 20:09:12 2021 -0500 Add UPDATING entry and bump version Approved by: so ---------------- vs. ---------------- (2021-01-29 01:17:51 +0000 ) from the site you provided. ---------------- Thank you. From: "Yasuhiro Kimura" To: "freebsd-questions" Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 11:40:13 AM Subject: Re: Source repo's haven't updated? From: Casey Scott Subject: Source repo's haven't updated? Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 07:29:30 -0800 (PST) Since the last batch of Errata notices were sent last week, I've been watching for the 12.2 releng branch to be updated. While watching for them to update, I noticed the Git migration and have switched to Git. The releng/12.2 at [ https://git.freebsd.org/ | https://git.freebsd.org/ ] hasn't updated since 1/28 (SVN showed same date/time). Have they really not been updated? I just want to verify that I'm looking in the right place. You can check current status of releng/12.2 branch with following URL. https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/log/?h=releng/12.2 As you can see latest update of releng/12.2 is 2021-01-29 01:17:51 +0000. So your source tree is up to date. --- Yasuhiro Kimura _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 3 20:34:33 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C01352B8AF for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 20:34:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DWD1h6lGlz3nSt for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 20:34:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id E5AC352B8AE; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 20:34:32 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56C752B8AD for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 20:34:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DWD1h1vqfz3nYr for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 20:34:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Suggestion for release names? Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 13:34:30 -0700 To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DWD1h1vqfz3nYr X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.40 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2021 20:34:33 -0000 I know the subject of user confusion on STABLE and RELEASE has come up = in the past, but I found out that releng is also confusing as I was = recently talking to someone who only ran releng versions of freebsd = because he thought that was an English only version of Release. I know this is probably futile and there's little reason to change, but = I think all three animus could be better. STABLE -> "PreRelease" or "Candidate" (although RC is already used, so = many not that) RELEASE -> "" or "Production" or=20 Releng -> Development I'm not proposing the these are the names that should be picked, but I = think names could be picked that make it clearer that RELEASE is the = 'real' version for most everyone and not stable and spells out more = clearly what releng is. --=20 Hello Diane, I'm Bucky Goldstein From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 3 20:35:49 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C605052BAE0 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 20:35:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from "") Received: from mout01.posteo.de (mout01.posteo.de [185.67.36.141]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DWD383vFCz3nK0 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 20:35:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from "") Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83B5416005C for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 21:35:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4DWD355nfwz9rxL; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 21:35:45 +0100 (CET) From: Walter von Entferndt To: freebsd@casidy.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing git draws a lot of dependencies Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2021 21:35:33 +0100 Message-ID: <1956204.4WAli8B44Z@t450s.local.lan> X-Face: #$[hC+4[4W*mS3hB&izisyT_#E]^Aq+7Isv`2Tu5q*1~jR@&['74B>Ibyrk]GTJ!j$ NjX=#L2#k2X7OnaaRM_Pd5`>`8OJ3; +I2 References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DWD383vFCz3nK0 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=posteo.net (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mout01.posteo.de has no SPF policy when checking 185.67.36.141) smtp.helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; CTE_CASE(0.50)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[185.67.36.141:from]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8495, ipnet:185.67.36.0/23, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[posteo.net : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2021 20:35:49 -0000 At Dienstag, 2. Februar 2021, 13:00:02 CET freebsd@casidy.com (you) wrote: > Can you point me to a discussion explaining why we have to keep up > with sooo many dependencies? > http://forums.freebsd.org > [...] But I can't believe what I am reading, when I do 'pkg install > git' I can see a lot of dependencies where I can't see the > relationship with git. [...] > * bash??? I don't need that > * perl5? Come on! I just want git! > * python What? Why do you need Perl5 in the first place? > * subversion? Git is using subversion??? > * tpm-emulator? Emulator of what? > > Installing git will consume up to 367 MiB of my SDCard on my Pi... > edit /usr/local/etc/pkf.conf, in the ALIAS section change + all-rdepends: rquery %dn-%dv, - comment: query -i "%c", + comment: query -i "[%C/%n] %c", + rcomment: rquery -i "[%o] %c", + license: query "%l: %L", + provides: query "[%n-%v] %b", + provides-all: query -a "[%n-%v] %b", + rprovides: rquery "[%n-%v] %b", + rprovides-all: rquery -a "[%n-%v] %b", + message: "query '[%C/%n] %M'", + prime-list: "query -e '%a = 0' '%n'", + prime-origins: "query -e '%a = 0' '%o'", + rinfo: rquery -i "%c", + rlicense: rquery -i "%l: %L", pkg install psearch (do some search) pkg all-rdepends gitup pkg install gitup (enjoy) -- =|o) "Stell' Dir vor es geht und keiner kriegt's hin." (Wolfgang Neuss) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 3 20:39:53 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B295052BE15 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 20:39:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DWD7s08Dfz3nYB for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 20:39:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: FreeBSD 12.3? Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 13:39:51 -0700 To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DWD7s08Dfz3nYB X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2021 20:39:53 -0000 I see that the EOL on Freebsd 12.2 is 3 months after 12.4 release, but = there is not information on 12.3. Since I'd like to set a calendar = reminder for sometime around that time, is there any estimate on 12.3? Would it be safe to say that it would be a minimum of X months before = 12.3 could be released so I could set my reminder for X+3? That is, if it generally takes at least 4 months for a version to get to = -RELASE I could set my reminder for 7 months, and if 12.3 is still not = out, I could then set it for another 7 months. (I know 12.2 is pretty new, but I fell behind on the rapid schedule in = 11.x and I don't want to end up in that situation again). --=20 The universe doesn't much care if you tread on a butterfly. There are plenty more butterflies. Gods might note the fall of a sparrow but they don't make any effort to catch them. --Lords and Ladies From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 3 22:36:30 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A52C52EB01 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 22:36:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DWGkP5k4Gz3vSh for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 22:36:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.181] (host86-167-39-8.range86-167.btcentralplus.com [86.167.39.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 113MaS97086362 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 22:36:28 GMT (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) From: freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk Subject: Re: Warnings when compiling kernel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Message-ID: <4f819960-db08-190f-e0d3-5d4c55cd104e@fjl.co.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 22:37:29 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DWGkP5k4Gz3vSh X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk designates 84.45.41.196 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:84.45.41.196:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[fjl.co.uk]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[84.45.41.196:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25577, ipnet:84.45.0.0/17, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[86.167.39.8:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2021 22:36:30 -0000 On 31/01/2021 21:22, Roderick wrote: > > Are they normal? > > """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > cc  -c -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing  -std=c99  -Wall > -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes > -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual  -Wundef > -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs > -fdiagnostics-show-option -Wno-error-tautological-compare > -Wno-error-empty-body -Wno-error-parentheses-equality > -Wno-error-unused-function   -nostdinc -I. -I/usr/src/sys > -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL > -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -mno-aes -mno-avx > -mno-mmx -mno-sse -msoft-float -ffreestanding -fstack-protector > -Werror  /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_cpuset.c > /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_cpuset.c:637:16: warning: comparison of unsigned >       expression < 0 is always false [-Wtautological-compare] >         for (i = 0; i < (_NCPUWORDS - 1); i++) { >                     ~ ^ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > 1 warning generated. > Compiler warnings are normal, but I'd rather they weren't there myself. I wish I knew which file generated the error (it's not from any of the kernels I have loaded), and which CPU was the target, as I can't be sure what happens next. However, _NCPUWORDS can quite easily be 1, which means the for() loop will never be executed on some CPUs. One would hope the optimiser would remove it completely if this was the case, and this may have been the intention. Regards, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 3 22:39:39 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18E352EB33 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 22:39:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (mx1.dismail.de [78.46.223.134]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx1.dismail.de", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DWGp21Jj1z3w2B for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 22:39:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 1294d720; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 23:39:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de ( [10.240.26.11]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 1896b535; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 23:39:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 3ae45701; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 23:39:34 +0100 (CET) Received: by dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id ec2513b4 (TLSv1.3:AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO); Wed, 3 Feb 2021 23:39:33 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 17:39:30 -0500 From: LuMiWa To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vi editor Message-ID: <20210203173930.6bb72e82@dismail.de> In-Reply-To: <20210203002153.81725c82.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20210202052155.3a6ca086@dismail.de> <20210202232148.995f86c7.freebsd@edvax.de> <20210202181148.2ea69176@dismail.de> <20210203002153.81725c82.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DWGp21Jj1z3w2B X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[dismail.de:s=20190914]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:78.46.223.134]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[dismail.de:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[78.46.223.134:from]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[dismail.de,reject]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[dismail.de:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:78.46.0.0/15, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2021 22:39:39 -0000 On Wed, 3 Feb 2021 00:21:53 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 18:11:48 -0500, LuMiWa wrote: > > On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 23:21:48 +0100 > > Polytropon wrote: > >=20 > > > On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 05:21:55 -0500, LuMiWa via freebsd-questions > > > wrote: > > > > I do not what happened but yesterday when I start typing it > > > > doesn't respond on the keyboard immediately. I need to type > > > > from 5 to 10 times and than start. I never had the same problem > > > > in 20 years. For user I have ksh93 shell and root sh but on the > > > > both are the same. > > >=20 > > > A few questions: > > >=20 > > > Does this delay affect shell interaction already, or is it present > > > only in vi? > > >=20 > > > Does it happen inside an X session (terminal) or at the console? > > > If inside X, which input method are you using, and how? > > >=20 > > > Do you use the system locally or via network connection? > > >=20 > > > Lagging _could_ be a problem of networking (if networking is > > > involved here). But any program generating system load could > > > interfere with input processing, so check "top" output for > > > any suspicious values. Also try "reset" to get rid of any > > > terminal misconfiguration that might have happened. > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > > I am sorry hat I didn't sent an email about my mistake or. better > > the keyboard problem. I had the old Cherry which is connected with > > adapter to usb port and I had sometimes problem but never with vi. >=20 > Regarding USB (and especially converters from PS/2 to USB): >=20 > Sometimes, they are discovered by the kernel _after_ the login > prompt has been displayed, i. e., after booting completed. No > idea why, probably a "slow" firmware inside the converter that > needs some time to load. >=20 > Sidenote: I am currently using an IBM model M keyboard with > such an adapter, or to be precise, a chain of adapters (HIL to > DIN, DIN to PS/2, PS/2 to USB), really _sometimes_ the keyboard > isn't present yet when the system displays the XDM login screen; > a few seconds later, it works as expected. And it will continue > working after I have turned to dust many years in the distant > future... ;-) >=20 > So what you've been observing could be fully normal for your > hardware setting (including the "sometimes" aspect). Also note > that even though USB is a fundamental part of the kernel, the > kernel changes, therefore "detection order" might be affected > after a system (or kernel) upgrade. >=20 >=20 >=20 Thank you very much. It is time to buy a new Cherry because this one is very old. I think from my 286 with 2MB RAM and 50 MB Quantum HD :). --=20 =E2=80=9CWise men speak because they have something to say; fools because t= hey have to say something.=E2=80=9D --Plato From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 4 02:55:43 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E7C534A5F for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 02:55:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DWNTV2dqjz4gFW for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 02:55:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 1142tXSH072206 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 19:55:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) To: FreeBSD Mailing List Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org From: Gary Aitken Subject: libQt5Qml port? Message-ID: <2250b795-ee29-1dfa-9d9c-d17d832e4111@dreamchaser.org> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 19:50:58 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Wed, 03 Feb 2021 19:55:34 -0700 (MST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DWNTV2dqjz4gFW X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.30 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 02:55:43 -0000 11.4-RELEASE-p3 Trying to build cad/freecad: ===> qt5-designer-5.15.2_1 depends on shared library: libQt5Core.so - found (/usr/local/lib/qt5/libQt5Core.so) ===> qt5-designer-5.15.2_1 depends on shared library: libQt5Qml.so - not found ===> qt5-designer-5.15.2_1 depends on shared library: libQt5Qml.so - not found Can someone tell me which port supplies this library, or at least how to find out? I tried using libQt5Qml.so in the keyword search on freshports but got no hits. Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 4 03:11:15 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33BB5359C3 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 03:11:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DWNqQ57Lpz4jNZ for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 03:11:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 1143BDjY072252 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 20:11:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Subject: Re: libQt5Qml port? From: Gary Aitken To: FreeBSD Mailing List Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org, freebsd@dreamchaser.org References: <2250b795-ee29-1dfa-9d9c-d17d832e4111@dreamchaser.org> Message-ID: <6bc05778-aa26-652f-8751-e58d7e3794f8@dreamchaser.org> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 20:06:37 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2250b795-ee29-1dfa-9d9c-d17d832e4111@dreamchaser.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Wed, 03 Feb 2021 20:11:13 -0700 (MST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DWNqQ57Lpz4jNZ X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.30 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 03:11:15 -0000 On 2/3/21 7:50 PM, Gary Aitken wrote: > 11.4-RELEASE-p3 > > Trying to build cad/freecad: > > ===>   qt5-designer-5.15.2_1 depends on shared library: libQt5Core.so - found (/usr/local/lib/qt5/libQt5Core.so) > ===>   qt5-designer-5.15.2_1 depends on shared library: libQt5Qml.so - not found > ===>   qt5-designer-5.15.2_1 depends on shared library: libQt5Qml.so - not found > > Can someone tell me which port supplies this library, or at least how to find > out?  I tried using libQt5Qml.so in the keyword search on freshports but got > no hits. I just found a reference to lang/qt5-qml on freshports. But it's not in my ports tree, as of Jan 27 and now updated just now. now what? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 4 03:14:31 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E01C535E93 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 03:14:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DWNvB4q3xz4jTx for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 03:14:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Received: from rain.home (pool-173-48-64-3.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.64.3]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4DWNv92rPXzTQG for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 22:14:29 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=panix.com; s=panix; t=1612408469; bh=9Jxt7fw3QgvqrnS7F30ArfZPQ+O4XIfgRpZ1e+6iV2E=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=aZex7Dj8io17mPzgiBBr9b69MAjTnv5Lf5ZyXa34sEz8x1/TTUEPAZjwhvkNcdC3z scujjlFjD/bkyP8ao01h648g5VCUkVM9WJjs0HIRbHjkp8aPQAO7VefCITO9CFjrNk 7ItKpoIVEteDoXbIOwatesTWV8ULtUXqdCKXJ9aA= Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 22:14:20 -0500 From: Kurt Hackenberg To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: libQt5Qml port? Message-ID: References: <2250b795-ee29-1dfa-9d9c-d17d832e4111@dreamchaser.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2250b795-ee29-1dfa-9d9c-d17d832e4111@dreamchaser.org> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DWNvB4q3xz4jTx X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=panix.com header.s=panix header.b=aZex7Dj8; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kh@panix.com designates 166.84.1.89 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kh@panix.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.20 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[166.84.1.89:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:166.84.0.0/16:c]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[panix.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[166.84.1.89:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2033, ipnet:166.84.0.0/16, country:US]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[173.48.64.3:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[panix.com:s=panix]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[panix.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[panix.com:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 03:14:31 -0000 On Wed, Feb 03, 2021 at 07:50:58PM -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: >11.4-RELEASE-p3 > >Trying to build cad/freecad: > >===> qt5-designer-5.15.2_1 depends on shared library: libQt5Core.so - found (/usr/local/lib/qt5/libQt5Core.so) >===> qt5-designer-5.15.2_1 depends on shared library: libQt5Qml.so - not found >===> qt5-designer-5.15.2_1 depends on shared library: libQt5Qml.so - not found > >Can someone tell me which port supplies this library, or at least how to find >out? I tried using libQt5Qml.so in the keyword search on freshports but got >no hits. There's "pkg which", but that only looks at what's installed on the local system. On my 13-CURRENT: ~$ pkg which /usr/local/lib/qt5/libQt5Core.so /usr/local/lib/qt5/libQt5Core.so was installed by package qt5-core-5.15.2 ~$ pkg which /usr/local/lib/qt5/libQt5Qml.so /usr/local/lib/qt5/libQt5Qml.so was installed by package qt5-declarative-5.15.2 ~$ You could try "pkg rquery" to query the servers. I haven't tried it, though. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 4 05:00:41 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF5E537C54 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 05:00:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DWRFj08QVz4pnS for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 05:00:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 11450aDF072534; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 22:00:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Subject: Re: libQt5Qml port? To: Kurt Hackenberg , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <2250b795-ee29-1dfa-9d9c-d17d832e4111@dreamchaser.org> Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org From: Gary Aitken Message-ID: <5fb27394-f4df-4221-63a6-71d5394a2078@dreamchaser.org> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 21:56:01 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Wed, 03 Feb 2021 22:00:37 -0700 (MST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DWRFj08QVz4pnS X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.30 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 05:00:41 -0000 On 2/3/21 8:14 PM, Kurt Hackenberg wrote: > On Wed, Feb 03, 2021 at 07:50:58PM -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: >> 11.4-RELEASE-p3 >> >> Trying to build cad/freecad: >> >> ===> qt5-designer-5.15.2_1 depends on shared library: >> libQt5Core.so - found (/usr/local/lib/qt5/libQt5Core.so) ===> >> qt5-designer-5.15.2_1 depends on shared library: libQt5Qml.so - not >> found ===> qt5-designer-5.15.2_1 depends on shared library: >> libQt5Qml.so - not found ... > ~$ pkg which /usr/local/lib/qt5/libQt5Core.so > /usr/local/lib/qt5/libQt5Core.so was installed by package > qt5-core-5.15.2 ~$ pkg which /usr/local/lib/qt5/libQt5Qml.so > /usr/local/lib/qt5/libQt5Qml.so was installed by package > qt5-declarative-5.15.2 ~$ Thanks, that's what I needed. > You could try "pkg rquery" to query the servers. I haven't tried > it, though. I couldn't readily figure out how to use it. It looked like all the queries were for packages, not their contents, and in this case all I had to go on was contents. Thanks! Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 3 20:29:37 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C6652B5D3 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 20:29:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from casey@scottmail.org) Received: from bearcat.phantombsd.org (scottmail.org [209.206.250.76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DWCw02vHFz3mYW for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 20:29:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from casey@scottmail.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bearcat.phantombsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62ADA2802DF; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:29:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from bearcat.phantombsd.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bearcat.phantombsd.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id LhQaf3A1oa5K; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:29:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bearcat.phantombsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42143280A58; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:29:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bearcat.phantombsd.org Received: from bearcat.phantombsd.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bearcat.phantombsd.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id R7F-eRgL5Z3w; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:29:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from bearcat.phantombsd.org (mail.scottmail.org [192.168.1.20]) by bearcat.phantombsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4C92802DF; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:29:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:29:33 -0800 (PST) From: Casey Scott To: Yasuhiro Kimura Cc: freebsd-questions Message-ID: <2127629787.366.1612384173953.JavaMail.zimbra@scottmail.org> In-Reply-To: <20210204.044013.1294918917795136507.yasu@utahime.org> References: <633599346.139.1612366170901.JavaMail.zimbra@scottmail.org> <20210204.044013.1294918917795136507.yasu@utahime.org> Subject: Re: Source repo's haven't updated? 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From: "Yasuhiro Kimura" To: "freebsd-questions" Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 11:40:13 AM Subject: Re: Source repo's haven't updated? From: Casey Scott Subject: Source repo's haven't updated? Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 07:29:30 -0800 (PST) Since the last batch of Errata notices were sent last week, I've been watching for the 12.2 releng branch to be updated. While watching for them to update, I noticed the Git migration and have switched to Git. The releng/12.2 at [ https://git.freebsd.org/ | https://git.freebsd.org/ ] hasn't updated since 1/28 (SVN showed same date/time). Have they really not been updated? I just want to verify that I'm looking in the right place. You can check current status of releng/12.2 branch with following URL. https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/log/?h=releng/12.2 As you can see latest update of releng/12.2 is 2021-01-29 01:17:51 +0000. So your source tree is up to date. --- Yasuhiro Kimura _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 3 21:46:25 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4648952D2D8 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 21:46:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DWFcc2fLMz3s8f for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 21:46:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.181] (host86-167-39-8.range86-167.btcentralplus.com [86.167.39.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 113LkMWj073623 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 21:46:22 GMT (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Frank Leonhardt Subject: LTO tape and StorageWorks PowerVault auto-changers Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 21:47:23 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DWFcc2fLMz3s8f X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of frank2@fjl.co.uk designates 84.45.41.196 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=frank2@fjl.co.uk X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.40 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:84.45.41.196]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[fjl.co.uk]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[84.45.41.196:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25577, ipnet:84.45.0.0/17, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[86.167.39.8:received] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 06:24:03 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2021 21:46:25 -0000 Before I re-invent something that exists but I simply don't know about it, is anyone else using LTO tape on FreeBSD, especially with HP StorageWorks or Dell PowerVault juke boxes? With a single drive you can get away with mt and tar/dump as you prefer. It's also easy enough to dump a ZFS dataset to a tape device - although not documented (that's one of my first jobs). But when it comes to jukeboxes there's nothing I'm aware of - you can't even get at the tape label - either via the RMI or cam. Unless you know different? I haven't even been able to find programming documentation from HP or Dell, but some must exist as commercial backup products can do this on Windoze. Is there some huge cache of documentation I'm missing (pointer please!), or is anyone else working on this and able to join forces? BTW, I am aware of LTFS but it's not really useful in the BSD world, where archiving databases and datasets is more likely to be of interest. Thanks, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 3 22:33:28 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCEE52E46F for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 22:33:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DWGfw3ly6z3vRK for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 22:33:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.181] (host86-167-39-8.range86-167.btcentralplus.com [86.167.39.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 113MXRSI085570 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 22:33:27 GMT (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Subject: Re: Warnings when compiling kernel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Frank Leonhardt Message-ID: <4a8b2522-2046-6212-9a40-ce1d6c4a0473@fjl.co.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 22:34:28 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DWGfw3ly6z3vRK X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of frank2@fjl.co.uk designates 84.45.41.196 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=frank2@fjl.co.uk X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:84.45.41.196:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[fjl.co.uk]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[84.45.41.196:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25577, ipnet:84.45.0.0/17, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[86.167.39.8:received] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 06:24:20 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2021 22:33:29 -0000 On 31/01/2021 21:22, Roderick wrote: > > Are they normal? > > """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > cc  -c -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing  -std=c99  -Wall > -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes > -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual  -Wundef > -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs > -fdiagnostics-show-option -Wno-error-tautological-compare > -Wno-error-empty-body -Wno-error-parentheses-equality > -Wno-error-unused-function   -nostdinc -I. -I/usr/src/sys > -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL > -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -mno-aes -mno-avx > -mno-mmx -mno-sse -msoft-float -ffreestanding -fstack-protector > -Werror  /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_cpuset.c > /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_cpuset.c:637:16: warning: comparison of unsigned >       expression < 0 is always false [-Wtautological-compare] >         for (i = 0; i < (_NCPUWORDS - 1); i++) { >                     ~ ^ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > 1 warning generated. > Compiler warnings are normal, but I'd rather they weren't there myself. I wish I knew which file generated the error (it's not from any of the kernels I have loaded), and which CPU was the target, as I can't be sure what happens next. However, _NCPUWORDS can quite easily be 1, which means the for() loop will never be executed on some CPUs. One would hope the optimiser would remove it completely if this was the case, and this may have been the intention. Regards, Frank. 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <2250b795-ee29-1dfa-9d9c-d17d832e4111@dreamchaser.org> <5fb27394-f4df-4221-63a6-71d5394a2078@dreamchaser.org> From: Graham Perrin Message-ID: <684b4b46-e716-2893-0fe6-75828a82e7ec@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 07:37:12 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5fb27394-f4df-4221-63a6-71d5394a2078@dreamchaser.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DWVkR6d2dz3FMF X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=BoO+BFI5; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of grahamperrin@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::429 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=grahamperrin@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[88.105.96.80:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::429:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::429:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::429:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 07:37:20 -0000 On 04/02/2021 04:56, Gary Aitken wrote: > On 2/3/21 8:14 PM, Kurt Hackenberg wrote: >> … > >> You could try "pkg rquery" to query the servers.  I haven't tried >> it, though. > I couldn't readily figure out how to use it.  It looked like all the > queries > were for packages, not their contents, and in this case all I had to > go on > was contents. > > Thanks! % pkg rquery '%R %b' qt5-declarative FreeBSD libQt5QuickShapes.so.5 FreeBSD libQt5Quick.so.5 FreeBSD libQt5QuickWidgets.so.5 FreeBSD libQt5QuickParticles.so.5 FreeBSD libQt5QmlWorkerScript.so.5 FreeBSD libQt5QmlModels.so.5 FreeBSD libQt5Qml.so.5 FreeBSD libQt5QuickTest.so.5 poudriere libQt5QuickShapes.so.5 poudriere libQt5Quick.so.5 poudriere libQt5QuickWidgets.so.5 poudriere libQt5QuickParticles.so.5 poudriere libQt5QmlWorkerScript.so.5 poudriere libQt5QmlModels.so.5 poudriere libQt5Qml.so.5 poudriere libQt5QuickTest.so.5 % pkg rquery '%R %do' cad/freecad FreeBSD x11/libXext FreeBSD x11/libX11 FreeBSD x11/libSM FreeBSD x11/libICE FreeBSD x11-toolkits/qt5-widgets FreeBSD x11-toolkits/qt5-gui FreeBSD x11-toolkits/libXt FreeBSD www/qt5-webkit FreeBSD textproc/xerces-c3 FreeBSD textproc/qt5-xml FreeBSD textproc/expat2 FreeBSD science/hdf5 FreeBSD print/qt5-printsupport FreeBSD print/freetype2 FreeBSD net/qt5-network FreeBSD net/openmpi FreeBSD math/vtk8 FreeBSD math/py-matplotlib FreeBSD lang/python37 FreeBSD lang/gcc10 FreeBSD graphics/tiff FreeBSD graphics/qt5-svg FreeBSD graphics/qt5-opengl FreeBSD graphics/py-pivy FreeBSD graphics/png FreeBSD graphics/mesa-libs FreeBSD graphics/libGLU FreeBSD graphics/jpeg-turbo FreeBSD graphics/Coin FreeBSD french/med FreeBSD devel/shiboken2 FreeBSD devel/qt5-core FreeBSD devel/qt5-concurrent FreeBSD devel/qt5-buildtools FreeBSD devel/pyside2 FreeBSD devel/libarea FreeBSD devel/boost-python-libs FreeBSD devel/boost-libs FreeBSD cad/opencascade % freebsd-version -kru 14.0-CURRENT 14.0-CURRENT 14.0-CURRENT % man 8 pkg-rquery From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 4 11:12:11 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE62540138 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 11:12:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DWbVM2CZKz3jW7 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 11:12:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 4BD6E53FE98; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 11:12:11 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA0C540137 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 11:12:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.134]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DWbVM01y7z3jW6 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 11:12:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.223.160.123]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N3sZs-1m72rL1qjo-00znGB; Thu, 04 Feb 2021 12:11:55 +0100 Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 12:11:53 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "@lbutlr" Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Suggestion for release names? Message-Id: <20210204121153.6616001f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ODK0P0wcwQVs9QBUOAgMm91dLvR/KDDP9SK83uS2MIuGZNE+gC/ ESYEPq2OMkZcF8EMHv9EPPQYmNFSGtn8l9fh9Q88KrBr1ESpSopLke9CXF7fssGCnpM+6ob Rttuu3N3dNPJfFfPdjYITcowbIfxhWrQpCFT0n0Z+AnmQ+W0RpltPjer+hHGNHcLPxnb/4l pPMhvQV9X6PD8LVurHCoA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:tvWvLULBgAg=:dGO482PoQuO8jER06uBOLu aiC5pnUcETemutBVErNI/UMbSSEyJxEljMyz8ov2pVbo4XuqLd4XFUmS/qYT/Xj9n2xnT8TT9 oU46Ug69hoX/Djq5DAV7seZnz3AalYWANoreLVVdKW9Z4GmaocQ3psWrT82v+tJaJdBYH94G1 Cp0YnIPAsh2sR7ZBXOQWdT0vWjxkrC6/q9Emu40xSPzbtQTo8fmkgxVEJ7DZdJ1+/ZH12BqGr ObT4IMevZO8MIC5AYDWkR/A3nddGID8/fCnEY/wRkkurWUa+wN0vW2vKbcJjl4tTgRDtLgp8p DJdbithUxDkqbdffw0mGBiI8/SjtYfg9aWwvDhgYvRszHAwtx/vOrOgIS2N1zc1f5fkqVWMdt mk48/2u+UtRpsClUZJNG6g+Pcwr6GdWoaNMF3EnNU/QwzG9jqMj72/5Mkgjnp X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DWbVM01y7z3jW6 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 11:12:11 -0000 On Wed, 3 Feb 2021 13:34:30 -0700, @lbutlr wrote: > I know the subject of user confusion on STABLE and RELEASE has come > up in the past, but I found out that releng is also confusing as I > was recently talking to someone who only ran releng versions of > freebsd because he thought that was an English only version of > Release. RELENG means release engineering - unfortunate misunderstanding. > I know this is probably futile and there's little reason to change, > but I think all three animus could be better. The "problem" is that those termini technici all carry a well understood meaning, which now is to be considered history (i. e., "for historic reasons"). Even worse, if you try to do a mapping of RELEASE-p | RELEASE | | home user PRERELEASE | | embedded RC | is to be | desktop BETA | used for | server ALPHA | | tester STABLE | | developer CURRENT / HEAD | this will be very hard and probably won't work. ;-) Note that especially tha ALPHA, BETA, PRERELEASE and RC tags are not always used. > STABLE -> "PreRelease" or "Candidate" (although RC is already used, > so many not that) Both suggestions already have been in use: -PRERELEASE and -RC are point during development on the way to RELEASE. Also STABLE isn't really a pre-release or release candidate. It's more a "step during development" that contains stuff that will probably be in the next release, as well as being the source for special security patches that should be backported to earlier versions still under support. > RELEASE -> "" or "Production" or Tht term RELEASE indicates that this is what has been released on the installation media - today, files from the Internet, but historically RELEASE was what you got on the CD set. :-) > Releng -> Development That doesn't fully match the path of RELENG (release engineering). Like in a distillery, the development happens at the top, at HEAD or CURRENT. Those versions can add and remove (!) features, will sometimes not even build properly, and can be subject to significant changes. What has been approved, will then be in STABLE, which also means that the ABI will be stable. From that level, work will be done toward the next RELEASE, and also the patches for already existing releases are generated (RELEASE-p). > I'm not proposing the these are the names that should be picked, > but I think names could be picked that make it clearer that RELEASE > is the 'real' version for most everyone and not stable and spells > out more clearly what releng is. Maybe the following documentation parts should be more prominently presented on the home page? https://www.freebsd.org/releases/ https://www.freebsd.org/relnotes/ https://docs.freebsd.org/doc/3.5-RELEASE/usr/share/doc/handbook/current-stable.html https://docs.freebsd.org/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/current-stable.html -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 4 10:25:11 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C9153F280 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 10:25:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DWZS7195Wz3QTg for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 10:25:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.181] (host86-167-39-8.range86-167.btcentralplus.com [86.167.39.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 114AP9gj080657 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 10:25:09 GMT (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Subject: Re: LTO tape and StorageWorks PowerVault auto-changers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Frank Leonhardt Message-ID: <25700700-e8cf-4011-3a32-1678f79b973d@fjl.co.uk> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 10:26:09 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DWZS7195Wz3QTg X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of frank2@fjl.co.uk designates 84.45.41.196 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=frank2@fjl.co.uk X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:84.45.41.196:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[fjl.co.uk]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[84.45.41.196:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25577, ipnet:84.45.0.0/17, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[86.167.39.8:received] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 11:50:45 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 10:25:12 -0000 On 03/02/2021 21:47, Frank Leonhardt wrote: > Before I re-invent something that exists but I simply don't know about > it, is anyone else using LTO tape on FreeBSD, especially with HP > StorageWorks or Dell PowerVault juke boxes? I asked the same on FreeBSD Forums, and a kind person called "Jose" pointed this out: "It looks like the way to manage medium changers in Freebsd is thechio(1) command. I also know that there's at least one person that successfully uses Bacula with a medium changer in Freebsd Adding a tape library to Bacula – Dan Langille's Other Diary" chio is the think I was looking for, but it's not mentioned in the documentation and you can't find it unless you know what you're looking for - it's not even in the "See Also" section for mt. I'm now pushing on with some new documentation for the modern world of tapes. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 4 12:19:40 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 083C6541C70 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 12:19:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from casey@scottmail.org) Received: from bearcat.phantombsd.org (scottmail.org [209.206.250.76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DWd0C1H5bz3n79 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 12:19:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from casey@scottmail.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bearcat.phantombsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1EAE280303; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 04:19:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from bearcat.phantombsd.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bearcat.phantombsd.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id Bp2r4cAxh0nb; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 04:19:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bearcat.phantombsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985A32807BA; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 04:19:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bearcat.phantombsd.org Received: from bearcat.phantombsd.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bearcat.phantombsd.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id hMSDt0TsatC9; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 04:19:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from bearcat.phantombsd.org (mail.scottmail.org [192.168.1.20]) by bearcat.phantombsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CF5F280303; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 04:19:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 04:19:37 -0800 (PST) From: Casey Scott To: Frank Leonhardt Cc: freebsd-questions Message-ID: <801363304.59.1612441177249.JavaMail.zimbra@scottmail.org> In-Reply-To: <1465208268.50.1612440848455.JavaMail.zimbra@scottmail.org> References: <1465208268.50.1612440848455.JavaMail.zimbra@scottmail.org> Subject: Re: LTO tape and StorageWorks PowerVault auto-changers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: [192.168.1.20] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.8.15_GA_3991 (ZimbraWebClient - GC88 (Mac)/8.8.15_GA_3980) Thread-Topic: LTO tape and StorageWorks PowerVault auto-changers Thread-Index: WGWAZVDfQ1saeH6MeRqXmu2qiPF81iWqiY0V X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DWd0C1H5bz3n79 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of casey@scottmail.org designates 209.206.250.76 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=casey@scottmail.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.26 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[209.206.250.76:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:scottmail.org.]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[scottmail.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.96)[-0.957]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[209.206.250.76:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:209.206.248.0/22, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 12:19:40 -0000 Amanda may be worth a look. It should support jukeboxes, though my "library= " is virtual (file based) tapes but I also use it with LTOs with a non-chan= ging LTO tape drive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Leonhardt" To: "freebsd-questions" Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2021 2:26:09 AM Subject: Re: LTO tape and StorageWorks PowerVault auto-changers On 03/02/2021 21:47, Frank Leonhardt wrote: > Before I re-invent something that exists but I simply don't know about=20 > it, is anyone else using LTO tape on FreeBSD, especially with HP=20 > StorageWorks or Dell PowerVault juke boxes? I asked the same on FreeBSD Forums, and a kind person called "Jose"=20 pointed this out: "It looks like the way to manage medium changers in Freebsd is=20 thechio(1)=20 command.=20 I also know that there's at least one person that successfully uses=20 Bacula with a medium changer in Freebsd Adding a tape library to Bacula =E2=80=93 Dan Langille's Other Diary"=20 chio is the think I was looking for, but it's not mentioned in the=20 documentation and you can't find it unless you know what you're looking=20 for - it's not even in the "See Also" section for mt. I'm now pushing on with some new documentation for the modern world of=20 tapes. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 4 12:14:13 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0703A5419DD for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 12:14:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from casey@scottmail.org) Received: from bearcat.phantombsd.org (scottmail.org [209.206.250.76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DWcsv72PQz3mqr for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 12:14:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from casey@scottmail.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bearcat.phantombsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 517E3280303; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 04:14:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from bearcat.phantombsd.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bearcat.phantombsd.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id N-Vnu6VRUXso; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 04:14:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bearcat.phantombsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D45E2807A7; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 04:14:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bearcat.phantombsd.org Received: from bearcat.phantombsd.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bearcat.phantombsd.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id xaAu5qmdA4Dt; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 04:14:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from bearcat.phantombsd.org (mail.scottmail.org [192.168.1.20]) by bearcat.phantombsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FFA8280303; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 04:14:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 04:14:08 -0800 (PST) From: Casey Scott To: Frank Leonhardt Cc: freebsd-questions Message-ID: <1465208268.50.1612440848455.JavaMail.zimbra@scottmail.org> In-Reply-To: <25700700-e8cf-4011-3a32-1678f79b973d@fjl.co.uk> References: Subject: Re: LTO tape and StorageWorks PowerVault auto-changers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: [192.168.1.20] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.8.15_GA_3991 (ZimbraWebClient - GC88 (Mac)/8.8.15_GA_3980) Thread-Topic: LTO tape and StorageWorks PowerVault auto-changers Thread-Index: WGWAZVDfQ1saeH6MeRqXmu2qiPF81g== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DWcsv72PQz3mqr X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of casey@scottmail.org designates 209.206.250.76 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=casey@scottmail.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.26 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[209.206.250.76:from]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:scottmail.org.]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[scottmail.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[209.206.250.76:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.96)[-0.958]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:209.206.248.0/22, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 15:10:34 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 12:14:13 -0000 Amanda may be worth a look. It should support jukeboxes, though my "library= " is virtual (file based) tapes but I also use it with LTOs with a non-chan= ging LTO tape drive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Leonhardt" To: "freebsd-questions" Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2021 2:26:09 AM Subject: Re: LTO tape and StorageWorks PowerVault auto-changers On 03/02/2021 21:47, Frank Leonhardt wrote: > Before I re-invent something that exists but I simply don't know about=20 > it, is anyone else using LTO tape on FreeBSD, especially with HP=20 > StorageWorks or Dell PowerVault juke boxes? I asked the same on FreeBSD Forums, and a kind person called "Jose"=20 pointed this out: "It looks like the way to manage medium changers in Freebsd is=20 thechio(1)=20 command.=20 I also know that there's at least one person that successfully uses=20 Bacula with a medium changer in Freebsd Adding a tape library to Bacula =E2=80=93 Dan Langille's Other Diary"=20 chio is the think I was looking for, but it's not mentioned in the=20 documentation and you can't find it unless you know what you're looking=20 for - it's not even in the "See Also" section for mt. I'm now pushing on with some new documentation for the modern world of=20 tapes. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 4 15:42:34 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB037547281 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 15:42:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sudoers.net) Received: from mail.doom-labs.net (diabolo.doom-labs.net [81.92.172.233]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DWjVK09srz4WfT for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 15:42:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sudoers.net) Received: from [192.168.1.123] (gw-out.haj.doom.de [212.60.130.139]) (Authenticated sender: gehm@doom-labs.net) by mail.doom-labs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 73D4CD5983 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 16:42:15 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.103.0 at mail.doom-labs.net DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 mail.doom-labs.net 73D4CD5983 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sudoers.net; s=201810; t=1612453335; bh=UQliUfLjxILZxuP5t6Ww4hKjD7fS5hYRa9CMuZ7cc3M=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=lKw0Q7rMi4Zyo04DK0/kPr5RHIoUaRZwAs60MIfdO5mRM3LVa61uDoWELFOlHAC+R IRQfpj8PpAWnCNPBnRQOtXd6e7/pH3H8j+StUNfEUCyIvNJOCpRclH622OFsJWRNUB 2qncU7mvySSwHr7Te9Po4OTKhnz2fgUyjBw+cFtTM8bHJcjR6eOLETEL7YHXPooZC5 CNoReuXqxMwdcLqZOJ3lT/ocvUfCDXdyqMlj3PaId/5M6dW8uba5WkMdXzLlNML8Fy 7DHomSidV3YK0wRWsFPStJ3KZAtm8FyfVa/ZzmpmjQ+4OPvabJ9I/tFM3o9P0nJwcI GzGGBzmta19bw== Subject: Re: LTO tape and StorageWorks PowerVault auto-changers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Ekkehard Gehm Message-ID: <948244bd-b722-49ad-52e7-983f91ee5408@sudoers.net> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 16:42:14 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="G5qS1GwLtQCLfeUCt8FrDYnWqLNoacSWS" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,NICE_REPLY_A autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on diabolo.doom-labs.net X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DWjVK09srz4WfT X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sudoers.net header.s=201810 header.b=lKw0Q7rM; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sudoers.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@sudoers.net designates 81.92.172.233 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@sudoers.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sudoers.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sudoers.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[81.92.172.233:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21385, ipnet:81.92.160.0/20, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sudoers.net:s=201810]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/mixed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[81.92.172.233:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 15:42:34 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --G5qS1GwLtQCLfeUCt8FrDYnWqLNoacSWS Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="RuwK30gw24TelktUtTOpIth64vDV8VUNd"; protected-headers="v1" From: Ekkehard Gehm To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <948244bd-b722-49ad-52e7-983f91ee5408@sudoers.net> Subject: Re: LTO tape and StorageWorks PowerVault auto-changers References: In-Reply-To: --RuwK30gw24TelktUtTOpIth64vDV8VUNd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: de-DE Hey Frank, Am 03.02.2021 um 22:47 schrieb Frank Leonhardt: > Before I re-invent something that exists but I simply don't know about > it, is anyone else using LTO tape on FreeBSD, especially with HP > StorageWorks or Dell PowerVault juke boxes? > > > With a single drive you can get away with mt and tar/dump as you > prefer. It's also easy enough to dump a ZFS dataset to a tape device - > although not documented (that's one of my first jobs). But when it > comes to jukeboxes there's nothing I'm aware of - you can't even get > at the tape label - either via the RMI or cam. Unless you know differen= t? > > > I haven't even been able to find programming documentation from HP or > Dell, but some must exist as commercial backup products can do this on > Windoze. > > > Is there some huge cache of documentation I'm missing (pointer > please!), or is anyone else working on this and able to join forces? > > > BTW, I am aware of LTFS but it's not really useful in the BSD world, > where archiving databases and datasets is more likely to be of interest= =2E > > > Thanks, Frank. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I used to play around with some Sony Changers.... But I used Amanda as this is my backup soluion... Ekki --RuwK30gw24TelktUtTOpIth64vDV8VUNd-- --G5qS1GwLtQCLfeUCt8FrDYnWqLNoacSWS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="OpenPGP_signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="OpenPGP_signature" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- wmMEABEIACMWIQSyS/1dgH7dA1TlJQLcAzNBjqfO5gUCYBwV1wUDAAAAAAAKCRDcAzNBjqfO5gjo AJ4vKTXYCZSE8I/8GcR3vUGVlN62KgCgoYCAQqGZM75eyEzdZjJgLbbKJow= =Ruty -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --G5qS1GwLtQCLfeUCt8FrDYnWqLNoacSWS-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 4 19:36:13 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7532152D21E for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 19:36:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DWpgw2SVGz4pnS for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 19:36:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 114Ja9VH075189; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 12:36:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Subject: Re: pkg-provides(8) To: Graham Perrin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <2250b795-ee29-1dfa-9d9c-d17d832e4111@dreamchaser.org> <809bb717-df3f-3c17-27cc-4f6704e19703@gmail.com> From: Gary Aitken Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Message-ID: <7bc039b4-9290-b92a-0371-4d141c796e11@dreamchaser.org> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 12:31:34 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <809bb717-df3f-3c17-27cc-4f6704e19703@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Thu, 04 Feb 2021 12:36:09 -0700 (MST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DWpgw2SVGz4pnS X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 19:36:13 -0000 On 2/4/21 12:26 AM, Graham Perrin wrote: > On 04/02/2021 02:50, Gary Aitken wrote: >> 11.4-RELEASE-p3 ... >> Can someone tell me which port supplies this library, or at least how to find >> out?  I tried using libQt5Qml.so in the keyword search on freshports but got >> no hits. > > > > % pkg info -x provides > pkg-provides-0.7.1 > % pkg provides libQt5Qml.so > Name    : zoom-video-conferencing-client-5.3.465578.0920_1 > Desc    : Zoom videoconferencing client (CAVEAT: Sound doesn't yet work) > Repo    : FreeBSD > Filename: compat/linux/opt/zoom/libQt5Qml.so.5.9.9 >           compat/linux/opt/zoom/libQt5Qml.so.5.9 >           compat/linux/opt/zoom/libQt5Qml.so.5 >           compat/linux/opt/zoom/libQt5Qml.so > > Name    : qt5-declarative-5.15.2 > Desc    : Qt declarative framework for dynamic user interfaces > Repo    : FreeBSD > Filename: usr/local/lib/qt5/libQt5Qml.so.5.15.2 >           usr/local/lib/qt5/libQt5Qml.so.5.15 >           usr/local/lib/qt5/libQt5Qml.so.5 >           usr/local/lib/qt5/libQt5Qml.so > Name    : qt5-declarative-5.15.2 > Desc    : Qt declarative framework for dynamic user interfaces > Repo    : poudriere > Filename: usr/local/lib/qt5/libQt5Qml.so.5.15.2 >           usr/local/lib/qt5/libQt5Qml.so.5.15 >           usr/local/lib/qt5/libQt5Qml.so.5 >           usr/local/lib/qt5/libQt5Qml.so > % freebsd-version -kru > 14.0-CURRENT > 14.0-CURRENT > 14.0-CURRENT > % man 8 pkg-provides Thanks! A good reason to upgrade to 12.3; I don't see provides on 11.4. On 2/4/21 12:37 AM, Graham Perrin wrote: > On 04/02/2021 04:56, Gary Aitken wrote: >> On 2/3/21 8:14 PM, Kurt Hackenberg wrote: >>> … >>> You could try "pkg rquery" to query the servers.  I haven't tried >>> it, though. >> I couldn't readily figure out how to use it.  It looked like all the queries >> were for packages, not their contents, and in this case all I had to go on >> was contents. > > > % pkg rquery '%R %b' qt5-declarative ... > % pkg rquery '%R %do' cad/freecad ... > Thanks, and for the pm regarding the r.i.p. headstone Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 5 00:25:23 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD40535B22 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 00:25:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DWx5Y6ycyz3j05 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 00:25:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 16:25:10 -0800 Subject: Re: Suggestion for release names? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20210204121153.6616001f.freebsd@edvax.de> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <5b009f30-1710-575e-987d-ebc8bda07f68@holgerdanske.com> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 16:25:02 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210204121153.6616001f.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DWx5Y6ycyz3j05 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 184.105.128.27) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.10 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[184.105.128.27:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[184.105.128.27:from:127.0.2.255]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2021 00:25:23 -0000 On 2021-02-04 03:11, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 3 Feb 2021 13:34:30 -0700, @lbutlr wrote: >> I know the subject of user confusion on STABLE and RELEASE has come >> up in the past, but I found out that releng is also confusing as I >> was recently talking to someone who only ran releng versions of >> freebsd because he thought that was an English only version of >> Release. >> I know this is probably futile and there's little reason to change, >> but I think all three animus could be better. > > The "problem" is that those termini technici all carry a > well understood meaning, > Even worse, if you try to do a mapping of > > RELEASE-p | > RELEASE | | home user > PRERELEASE | | embedded > RC | is to be | desktop > BETA | used for | server > ALPHA | | tester > STABLE | | developer > CURRENT / HEAD | > > this will be very hard and probably won't work. ;-) I suspect that the terms chosen however many years ago have undergone shifts in meaning, which reduces understanding. I think people could better deal with vocabulary if they had a better understanding of the FreeBSD release engineering process and its deliverables. > Maybe the following documentation parts should be more prominently > presented on the home page? > > https://www.freebsd.org/releases/ > > https://www.freebsd.org/relnotes/ > > https://docs.freebsd.org/doc/3.5-RELEASE/usr/share/doc/handbook/current-stable.html > > https://docs.freebsd.org/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/current-stable.html I disagree, but will refrain from commenting on the FreeBSD website [1]. Michael W. Lucas in "Absolute FreeBSD", 3 e., pp. 422-427 [2], discusses "FreeBSD versions". Figure 18-1 is very helpful: - The trunk is labeled "FreeBSD-current". I believe this corresponds to -CURRENT deliverables [3]. - Two branches are shown -- "FreeBSD-stable 13" and "FreeBSD-stable 14". I believe these correspond to -STABLE deliverables [4]. - There are dashed lines marked "Improvements" from the trunk to the branches. I believe those that arrive at numbers -- 13.0, 13.1, 13.2, 13.3, etc. -- correspond to -RELEASE deliverables [5] and those that do not correspond to patches. I suggest adding a similar diagram to the FreeBSD website, supplemented with explanatory text. David [1] https://www.freebsd.org/ [2] https://mwl.io/nonfiction/os#af3e [3] https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/snapshots/arm64/13.0-CURRENT/ [4] https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/snapshots/amd64/12.2-STABLE/ [5] https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/12.2/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 5 00:40:03 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159F8535F71 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 00:40:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.73]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DWxQV15yqz3k0C for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 00:40:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.223.160.123]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MWSFB-1lSXTd48EN-00XrBT; Fri, 05 Feb 2021 01:39:55 +0100 Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 01:39:54 +0100 From: Polytropon To: David Christensen Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Suggestion for release names? 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I fully agree with that. However, a certain context must be understood as "known context", otherwise just choosing other words would be futile. And always keep in mind that those are intended for the english-speaking users - non-english languages are not even considered. > I think people could better deal with vocabulary if they had a better > understanding of the FreeBSD release engineering process and its > deliverables. Still misunderstandings could arise. For example, CURRENT seems to suggest (!) that this is the most recent version of FreeBSD - shouldn't you install that? But in fact it is a development version. Also STABLE could be misunderstood as an attribute that this version is stable, while in reality RELEASE-pX (patched version) would be that kind of software. As I sometimes tend to say: FreeBSD's release engineering process is like a distillery: from CURRENT / HEAD through STABLE to RELEASE. ;-) But of course this is not a one-way "reduction" process, because from HEAD or STABLE, security patches can be generated, and they can also be ported back to older versions which are still supported, so an "older release, patched version" could be more up-to-date than a "newer release, point-RELEASE dot zero". The whole concept of the release engineering process could be illustrated in a way that the meanings of the "tags" become clear. I don't know if it is possible (or desired) to change the naming, but that might also be a chance to provide easier ways of understanding to those who do not know the context of historically grown termini technici within the FreeBSD realm... > Michael W. Lucas in "Absolute FreeBSD", 3 e., pp. 422-427 [2], discusses > "FreeBSD versions". Figure 18-1 is very helpful: > > - The trunk is labeled "FreeBSD-current". I believe this corresponds > to -CURRENT deliverables [3]. > > - Two branches are shown -- "FreeBSD-stable 13" and "FreeBSD-stable 14". > I believe these correspond to -STABLE deliverables [4]. > > - There are dashed lines marked "Improvements" from the trunk to the > branches. I believe those that arrive at numbers -- 13.0, 13.1, 13.2, > 13.3, etc. -- correspond to -RELEASE deliverables [5] and those that do > not correspond to patches. > > > I suggest adding a similar diagram to the FreeBSD website, supplemented > with explanatory text. Excellent idea. This way, the termini technici used are put into the correct context. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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DMARC_NA(0.00)[sumeritec.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[185.201.17.92:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[185.201.17.92:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[185.201.17.92:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2021 00:44:02 -0000 Hi, On Wed, 3 Feb 2021 22:34:28 +0000 Frank Leonhardt wrote: > On 31/01/2021 21:22, Roderick wrote: > > > > Are they normal? > > > > """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > > cc=C2=A0 -c -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing=C2=A0 -std=3Dc99=C2=A0 -Wall= =20 > > -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes=20 > > -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual=C2=A0 -Wundef= =20 > > -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs=20 > > -fdiagnostics-show-option -Wno-error-tautological-compare=20 > > -Wno-error-empty-body -Wno-error-parentheses-equality=20 > > -Wno-error-unused-function=C2=A0=C2=A0 -nostdinc -I. -I/usr/src/sys=20 > > -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL=20 > > -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -mno-aes > > -mno-avx -mno-mmx -mno-sse -msoft-float -ffreestanding > > -fstack-protector -Werror=C2=A0 /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_cpuset.c > > /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_cpuset.c:637:16: warning: comparison of > > unsigned expression < 0 is always false [-Wtautological-compare] > > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 for (i =3D 0; i < (_NCPUWORD= S - 1); i++) { > > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ~ ^ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > 1 warning generated. > > =20 > Compiler warnings are normal, but I'd rather they weren't there > myself. I wish I knew which file generated the error (it's not from > any of the kernels I have loaded), and which CPU was the target, as I > can't be sure what happens next. However, _NCPUWORDS can quite easily > be 1, which means the for() loop will never be executed on some CPUs. > One would hope the optimiser would remove it completely if this was > the case, and this may have been the intention. >=20 words like 'may have' are the reason for countless software errors. 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I agree, but I think that is very unlikely. --=20 And she was looking at herself And things were looking like a movie She had a pleasant elevation She's moving out in all directions From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 5 08:07:56 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7CD8540C2B for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 08:07:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mfi@tf.uni-kiel.de) Received: from mailhost.tf.uni-kiel.de (mailhost.tf.uni-kiel.de [134.245.247.71]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DX7MJ0wgHz4fvf for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 08:07:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mfi@tf.uni-kiel.de) Received: from spammy-a.tf.uni-kiel.de (spammy.tf.uni-kiel.de [134.245.247.85]) by mailhost.tf.uni-kiel.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 051F6ACA0; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 09:07:53 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spammy-a.tf.uni-kiel.de Received: from mailhost.tf.uni-kiel.de ([192.168.247.130]) by spammy-a.tf.uni-kiel.de (spammy-a.tf.uni-kiel.de [192.168.247.85]) (amavisd-new, port 10025) with ESMTP id GZqJBABykkhD; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 09:07:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from fanty-a.tf.uni-kiel.de (fanty.tf.uni-kiel.de [134.245.247.132]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (3072 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.tf.uni-kiel.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF259AC9E; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 09:07:44 +0100 (CET) Received: (from mfi@localhost) by fanty-a.tf.uni-kiel.de (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 11588eDg040122; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 09:08:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mfi) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 09:08:40 +0100 From: Michael Firnau To: Frank Leonhardt Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LTO tape and StorageWorks PowerVault auto-changers Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DX7MJ0wgHz4fvf X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mfi@tf.uni-kiel.de has no SPF policy when checking 134.245.247.71) smtp.mailfrom=mfi@tf.uni-kiel.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.23 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[uni-kiel.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[134.245.247.71:from]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.927]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:680, ipnet:134.245.0.0/16, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2021 08:07:56 -0000 On Wed, Feb 03, 2021 at 09:47:23PM +0000, Frank Leonhardt wrote: > Before I re-invent something that exists but I simply don't know about it, > is anyone else using LTO tape on FreeBSD, especially with HP StorageWorks or > Dell PowerVault juke boxes? Hello, we use an LTO drive with an Overland/Tandberg library and Amanda since 2010. Actual we run a single LTO-7 6tb drive in an Overland NEO T24 and 50 tapes. drive: sa0 at mpr1 bus 0 scbus5 target 0 lun 0 sa0: Removable Sequential Access SPC-4 SCSI device sa0: 600.000MB/s transfers changer: ch0 at mpr1 bus 0 scbus5 target 0 lun 1 ch0: Removable Changer SPC-3 SCSI device ch0: 600.000MB/s transfers ch0: Command Queueing enabled A nice feature with Amanda is that the backup solution calculates when to make full or incremental backups of 800+ ZFS datasets. We allow Amanda to use 2 tapes per backup run (=12tb). Tapes are picked and changed by Amanda. We have to make sure that the tapes with the needed label are in the library. No problems whatsoever. 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Which ABI/architecture? 0.7.1 is packaged for FreeBSD:11:amd64 and FreeBSD:11:i386. If it's not currently in the repo, retry after the next update becomes available; or install the port. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 5 17:38:31 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA9954D7D4 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 17:38:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DXN1f5z7Lz3q6Q for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 17:38:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 115HcM2Z078569; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 10:38:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: pkg-provides(8) To: Graham Perrin Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <2250b795-ee29-1dfa-9d9c-d17d832e4111@dreamchaser.org> <809bb717-df3f-3c17-27cc-4f6704e19703@gmail.com> <7bc039b4-9290-b92a-0371-4d141c796e11@dreamchaser.org> <65bd2da2-277c-3849-d704-8dae779bf31b@gmail.com> From: Gary Aitken Message-ID: <8bba490e-9861-932b-cab3-a73a90c8abbb@dreamchaser.org> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 10:33:48 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <65bd2da2-277c-3849-d704-8dae779bf31b@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Fri, 05 Feb 2021 10:38:23 -0700 (MST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DXN1f5z7Lz3q6Q X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.26 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.959]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2021 17:38:31 -0000 On 2/5/21 3:12 AM, Graham Perrin wrote: > On 04/02/2021 19:31, Gary Aitken wrote: >> On 2/4/21 12:26 AM, Graham Perrin wrote: … >>> >>> … >> Thanks! A good reason to upgrade to 12.3; I don't see provides on >> 11.4. > > Which ABI/architecture? > > 0.7.1 > is packaged for FreeBSD:11:amd64 and FreeBSD:11:i386. If it's not > currently in the repo, retry after the next update becomes available; > or install > the port. My mistake. I somehow thought all of the pkg* stuff was part of the actual pkg package, since if I do man pkg-install I get the man page for pkg install. I see now it is not. 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I tried using libQt5Qml.so in the keyword search on freshports > but got no hits. I usually find out things like that with: pkg which -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 5 18:29:12 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE3954EFC4 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 18:29:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DXP870z2hz3t4Q for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 18:29:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 115IT96P078703; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 11:29:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: libQt5Qml port? To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <2250b795-ee29-1dfa-9d9c-d17d832e4111@dreamchaser.org> <20210205180422.bb92f4353fc0d62fac7682a5@sohara.org> From: Gary Aitken Message-ID: <8b34dc76-4a9a-6c3d-1fe9-ca38d082d4b5@dreamchaser.org> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 11:24:34 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210205180422.bb92f4353fc0d62fac7682a5@sohara.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Fri, 05 Feb 2021 11:29:09 -0700 (MST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DXP870z2hz3t4Q X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.30 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2021 18:29:12 -0000 On 2/5/21 11:04 AM, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Wed, 3 Feb 2021 19:50:58 -0700 > Gary Aitken wrote: > >> Can someone tell me which port supplies this library, or at least how to >> find out? I tried using libQt5Qml.so in the keyword search on freshports >> but got no hits. > > I usually find out things like that with: > > pkg which I believe that only works if the package is installed. I needed to know which package had to be installed to provide it. 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NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[40.107.244.57:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[40.107.244.57:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[40.107.244.57:from]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 01:46:41 -0000 My employer is making me use outlook. So I would like to use a different e= mail host company for my FreeBSD mailing lists. I tried gmail, but it seem= s that gmail is blacklisted with FreeBSD.org. Anyone got other suggestions= ? Thanks, Stephen From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 6 02:26:20 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEF9530D99 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 02:26:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DXbkg1RxPz4tyd for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 02:26:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DXbkT3vDSzFdrg for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 18:26:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1612578369; bh=kYiVwxWrzdIwQX8z776WPCCW9WQAjs4byO9BkrawifE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=imUse7bRLkDNeaTQg2e1T0muJ5ZsQBJe4HY4fTNUsPQXYwF1fJss+VJID7Im6cbWr BGGklu6viYjPQCSvgxXpBHK5yEfULfKllwR+SpbNNnW3M3VJ97D5pL5/DWIHBeVlDR S2MjuD1mNnONDUXNFaqKIYcEyYSOgf+opul9B4SE= X-Riseup-User-ID: 68DCA0B00CBE16513A14FDC0C1C992FC222487F793A777A00A2418804C19094A Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4DXbkS6J0zz1y5s for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 18:26:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 03:25:51 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What are good mail hosts to use with FreeBSD mailing lists? Message-ID: <20210206032551.258a07a7@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DXbkg1RxPz4tyd X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=imUse7bR; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 02:26:20 -0000 On Sat, 6 Feb 2021 01:46:37 +0000, Montgomery-Smith, Stephen wrote: >My employer is making me use outlook. So I would like to use a >different email host company for my FreeBSD mailing lists. I tried >gmail, but it seems that gmail is blacklisted with FreeBSD.org. >Anyone got other suggestions? It wasn't blacklisted a few hours ago, see https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2021-February/292889.html . From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 6 02:31:57 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 742AC530D6F for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 02:31:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DXbs84XDhz4v3m for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 02:31:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Received: from rain.home (pool-173-48-64-3.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.64.3]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4DXbs55BtQzNvF for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 21:31:53 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=panix.com; s=panix; t=1612578713; bh=HVfAPbK20DSI2XlxiRhRKJscGruXh710gK1Encd7Egk=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=aRkJQwAluz7xtLS5/hqUE3g4v8+DNs/9yzFR8Mv/z9D2p7Q81Spa02f1MHS6Mp8aA S1HKaAdyroObkP+03OoawX0cJOsfJTcQahvj5wzruWX8BWjG3pznZ+EsQp+OnC7F76 L1tT0g8h65VpV34kXCuPlpbqxiEyArVma41V1ADA= Subject: Re: What are good mail hosts to use with FreeBSD mailing lists? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Kurt Hackenberg Message-ID: <25de0d19-1bb6-610f-c0cb-ef7721086902@panix.com> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 21:31:53 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DXbs84XDhz4v3m X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=panix.com header.s=panix header.b=aRkJQwAl; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kh@panix.com designates 166.84.1.89 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kh@panix.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.20 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[166.84.1.89:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:166.84.0.0/16]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[166.84.1.89:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[panix.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2033, ipnet:166.84.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[173.48.64.3:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[panix.com:s=panix]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[panix.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[panix.com:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 02:31:57 -0000 > My employer is making me use outlook. So I would like to use a different email host company for my FreeBSD mailing lists. I tried gmail, but it seems that gmail is blacklisted with FreeBSD.org. Anyone got other suggestions? I hear good things about Fastmail. Haven't tried it myself. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 6 02:38:56 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2891D5310CD for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 02:38:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DXc1C01xTz4vjK for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 02:38:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 18:38:45 -0800 Subject: Re: What are good mail hosts to use with FreeBSD mailing lists? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 18:38:45 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DXc1C01xTz4vjK X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.10 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b:from:127.0.2.255]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 02:38:56 -0000 On 2021-02-05 17:46, Montgomery-Smith, Stephen wrote: > My employer is making me use outlook. So I would like to use a different email host company for my FreeBSD mailing lists. I tried gmail, but it seems that gmail is blacklisted with FreeBSD.org. Anyone got other suggestions? Get your own domain name and pay for domain name hosting that includes e-mail service. David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 6 03:26:46 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68434531CB8 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 03:26:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DXd4Q07Xhz3Dr3 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 03:26:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 028FD531CB7; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 03:26:46 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01368531E54 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 03:26:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DXd4P0NmJz3Djc for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 03:26:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=rcn.com; s=20180516; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@rcn.com; t=1612582003; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=RdZiO8SWfiXczkbk25erl27kKoo=; b=ek9YbVFtgUIXRwLsmflgWCbXHwUUJvEjCKXbVkDUexpwxPbpHpzHc5N9BFKUqVsf XlLJAXnoxrETRGsgcVr07iaJ868HxLi9UdL0ut9ILUYyo1Ky6E9kqa6HTXuq641O B9o6sxcFgsWuUDkRCKYwuFzzEAnVB0+SiDz4iKN5FBHrOhB5cXl7uTpM0FKDAmhm yjBPe1mlFfDuXPyu4ckWGh3rz1bwLqscyny/lAPr1ZZ5QTTeN+318R4I3cS2QVsf VBwXP1kwb/w6aDIK5dVZHUWM+ldvRdYsOe3eQPp3NFb4K6rekv+DIL5cq8X6bhmm 72T7jDW/iTo96F6N8QVI3w==; X_CMAE_Category: , , X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=TPOA93pa c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=601e0c73 cx=a_idp_x a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:117 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:17 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=XRQyMpdBKAEA:10 a=qa6Q16uM49sA:10 a=48faUk6PgeAA:10 a=kJnkj8TsvqzhYGDo2G8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine X-Authed-Username: cm9iZXJ0aHVmZkByY24uY29t Received: from [209.6.230.48] ([209.6.230.48:50214] helo=jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384) id FE/54-53000-37C0E106; Fri, 05 Feb 2021 22:26:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <24606.3187.85211.65015@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 22:26:43 -0500 From: Robert Huff To: Kurt Hackenberg ,questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What are good mail hosts to use with FreeBSD mailing lists? 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Haven't tried it myself. My wife has had Fastmail mailbox for at least twenty years, and has no complaints. As a mail _host_? Dunno. Respectfully, Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 6 03:49:50 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C4D7532A13 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 03:49:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DXdb15Qcqz3G11 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 03:49:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.231] (unknown [172.58.137.160]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D337E4E655; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 21:40:06 -0600 (CST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Subject: Re: What are good mail hosts to use with FreeBSD mailing lists? From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: <20210206032551.258a07a7@archlinux> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 21:40:05 -0600 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20210206032551.258a07a7@archlinux> To: Ralf Mardorf X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DXdb15Qcqz3G11 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.51 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.09)[-0.087]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.137.160:received]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[172.58.137.160:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 03:49:50 -0000 > On Feb 5, 2021, at 8:25 PM, Ralf Mardorf = wrote: >=20 > On Sat, 6 Feb 2021 01:46:37 +0000, Montgomery-Smith, Stephen wrote: >> My employer is making me use outlook. So I would like to use a >> different email host company for my FreeBSD mailing lists. I tried >> gmail, but it seems that gmail is blacklisted with FreeBSD.org. This makes my day! Great move, FreeBSD.org!! gmail is a pain in you know what for sysadmin.It accepts all mail even = to addresses that do not exist lying =E2=80=9Cdeliverable=E2=80=9D, then = gets back to you with non-delivery message. Making my server potential = source of backscatter. My server when it has to forward always starts = session with next hop, and only when that is ready to accept message = tells previous hop =E2=80=9COk can deliver=E2=80=9D, then passed to next = hop. You do your own math why gmail accepts undeliverable messages and = what it does with information coming their way. Valeri >> Anyone got other suggestions? >=20 > It wasn't blacklisted a few hours ago, see > = https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2021-February/292889= .html . > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 6 04:18:21 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9D4532EE0 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 04:18:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from s.montgomerysmith.freebsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot1-x329.google.com (mail-ot1-x329.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::329]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DXfCw3Q87z3Hcy for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 04:18:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from s.montgomerysmith.freebsd@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot1-x329.google.com with SMTP id 63so9045642oty.0 for ; Fri, 05 Feb 2021 20:18:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:subject:to:references:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=A8+LhojoF6eGFWsHxC+3hopOcUuldHFHvxQKMlZhWzs=; b=oGGdiz8yJ1j2LrngbxKglm8PHzmtbtViiy/mE9MEt2FLiBZTC11psmIAZcjaQQyoZF cguV5Pu+gHXPjof7d5PM6e9vkqm9rak3cuOFOPwXmNq8baeyfaQ1zwjhL6Fw4O+oxfD6 OLadIH1o3mmnNaCGUR9gLp+ypqV8/tR7O+vOAIUKeYWYQw5SOpxpifuAG7app0WJMKv7 MoHl7aIhrIdis6vBipL15+6rTUmDZIKKz9qfFtcY12OHhu28bcVIkQxLqflyIFYyCv6T 0ldFt85sQTfMhO1awCb7TYUIKkI4AIx3N7eE1pwpaCqioZZWxe2V8bmkO0sCSJq8xRK8 PUfQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:subject:to:references:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=A8+LhojoF6eGFWsHxC+3hopOcUuldHFHvxQKMlZhWzs=; b=XT0mcjWCnvgL7sXSZxyYCTPXsPzyJj1VDCbVdFtgI3S07D2cnjym3mvFqN6A84XU9T sVFo77A21crI5eIniufxvcEVJcZLN911IdKGuCGrVZ0raMC+mHoFpGlE4t+y+0Ol02lU ysOsP/mbVIHmMAwoV+ClUPjk+3VOepN4RlOluDbBAiP1DoylA6JJK56UEhzZAoFXMTX+ 86DrMKQmOLZqEvbR4+DGjcbOpYAuZ7ip0kRCyrmzWxvuxhx0JfhO/Scqrf6okLVaAEa4 ceplS5OYyyvWrFtT9jCG+617b+/u55I6pizIj/CFDhv5VaQC9Uyf5Fty6+wTGJtpCoMa Z7Mg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531b1SkSn+cMCqTutMYxNUtqSJfrToTscWwSGOo6wlTwpso7ZKag fW8rS99DLg9BgPvY080XT57jAS/gg1pb0cUqOg4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw0ygpD9uRpJo+UJBxO7Du6jndS2uB5i1TUMafO5ATCoS8AG6yl+mpYUqmBDAl8ysRw7PBNHA== X-Received: by 2002:a9d:6e8f:: with SMTP id a15mr5738168otr.195.1612585099156; Fri, 05 Feb 2021 20:18:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.8.11.72] ([161.130.189.154]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 69sm2252754otc.76.2021.02.05.20.18.18 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 05 Feb 2021 20:18:18 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Google-Original-From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Subject: Re: What are good mail hosts to use with FreeBSD mailing lists? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20210206032551.258a07a7@archlinux> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 22:18:17 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210206032551.258a07a7@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DXfCw3Q87z3Hcy X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=oGGdiz8y; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of smontgomerysmithfreebsd@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::329 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=smontgomerysmithfreebsd@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::329:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::329:from:127.0.2.255]; MID_RHS_MATCH_TO(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::329:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 04:18:21 -0000 On 2/5/21 8:25 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 6 Feb 2021 01:46:37 +0000, Montgomery-Smith, Stephen wrote: >> My employer is making me use outlook. So I would like to use a >> different email host company for my FreeBSD mailing lists. I tried >> gmail, but it seems that gmail is blacklisted with FreeBSD.org. >> Anyone got other suggestions? > > It wasn't blacklisted a few hours ago, see > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2021-February/292889.html . Maybe I was wrong about the blacklist. If this email gets through, then gmail works! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 6 04:27:24 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADDF45336E9 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 04:27:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from s.montgomerysmith.freebsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot1-x330.google.com (mail-ot1-x330.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::330]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DXfQN01pRz3JD0 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 04:27:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from s.montgomerysmith.freebsd@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot1-x330.google.com with SMTP id 100so2315059otg.3 for ; Fri, 05 Feb 2021 20:27:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:subject:to:references:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=A8+LhojoF6eGFWsHxC+3hopOcUuldHFHvxQKMlZhWzs=; b=Uk4J3CViA1bEjSJfUfdnL7jgKwoDqO+nnqGuXSlAzczQ4OYoUU2TPoNYpo08+VgrPi ergU/zGHGCQoaHWWJaI2HVF5NEwruRCnBWj0ETca+EDgtgeLmQ6D82W0Kx3e76SfZNf0 VIozAx1dHdKY3g2vS/EKTEDShjs9Apj3lGGSQCsagW+8cpFQhdcYsgVrWPtlD9Yu6UxV 5L+XHXdYhCne1oginmstdVSC5tyKuhEXD0p5j/qJhLemTbcaQBPI0FdZchCuJ1UgC4ll l4/TX6GOYJJ7oTCY9bxkINdDrT7yA1eq4Hc0+Jvg54fH76e+Y2D4reUxrz8UJnIt+15O POKA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:subject:to:references:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=A8+LhojoF6eGFWsHxC+3hopOcUuldHFHvxQKMlZhWzs=; b=FAf999YTh2S6hddnhk37WWA3014XbSC8jbbFGbAc2ji1TnL/4eb1Pu8lTj5NiN0fTm aQVXrsozXcJ/5f1+CqsbyUMRKDTrxMSxNooI0RY67Vuykx0h4gjb447qTIurBonkgiSs csGeyAlLoI6h+5CAd5gQpJAWcevMRRqSQ7F5aWIhplgRYib3zw/Xxc0NsgAZ55l4griS JVCt2V6gPYtoH0HpHRVfhEWTvZ+WH/FVbSH72SsMlB941benwKLHe7g5QJshOD9FkT7x mCz0yc/T4FkdpwTZIzS/xc/ZvIcAL7g0bIXzMZsmW/TFa3P2Fnz/eWJUfTNTGOiVdlGp uO4A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5317cJve7QFQ7PwQOyJZFiGmjQNV9UEEbtRE4n7Ty0LHPfTiEkqo RCqo3PA2lIsZViqfx7+xoW5MbWv+Y1r+hgcDOAw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxUuqGH0K9snr/v5vawNNAvfTokV3yiXHH30Oc79JcQdniMc803FCGMUkOgddNzRfaKb2MZng== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:18c3:: with SMTP id v3mr4363152ote.372.1612585642845; Fri, 05 Feb 2021 20:27:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.8.11.72] ([161.130.189.154]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e14sm2234482oou.19.2021.02.05.20.27.22 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 05 Feb 2021 20:27:22 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Google-Original-From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Subject: Re: What are good mail hosts to use with FreeBSD mailing lists? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20210206032551.258a07a7@archlinux> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 22:27:21 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210206032551.258a07a7@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DXfQN01pRz3JD0 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Uk4J3CVi; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of smontgomerysmithfreebsd@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::330 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=smontgomerysmithfreebsd@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::330:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::330:from:127.0.2.255]; MID_RHS_MATCH_TO(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::330:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 04:27:24 -0000 On 2/5/21 8:25 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 6 Feb 2021 01:46:37 +0000, Montgomery-Smith, Stephen wrote: >> My employer is making me use outlook. So I would like to use a >> different email host company for my FreeBSD mailing lists. I tried >> gmail, but it seems that gmail is blacklisted with FreeBSD.org. >> Anyone got other suggestions? > > It wasn't blacklisted a few hours ago, see > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2021-February/292889.html . Maybe I was wrong about the blacklist. If this email gets through, then gmail works! 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So I would like to use a >> different email host company for my FreeBSD mailing lists. I tried >> gmail, but it seems that gmail is blacklisted with FreeBSD.org. >> Anyone got other suggestions? > > It wasn't blacklisted a few hours ago, see > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2021-February/292889.html > . Maybe I was wrong about the blacklist. If this email gets through, then gmail works! 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20210206032551.258a07a7@archlinux> Message-ID: <3d052dc5-80b3-95de-ff66-c4cda3f6c146@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 01:06:59 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210206032551.258a07a7@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DXjyb0mdhz3jXF X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=GRwVQD10; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of smontgomerysmithfreebsd@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::229 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=smontgomerysmithfreebsd@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::229:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::229:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::229:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 07:07:04 -0000 On 2/5/21 8:25 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 6 Feb 2021 01:46:37 +0000, Montgomery-Smith, Stephen wrote: >> My employer is making me use outlook. So I would like to use a >> different email host company for my FreeBSD mailing lists. I tried >> gmail, but it seems that gmail is blacklisted with FreeBSD.org. >> Anyone got other suggestions? > > It wasn't blacklisted a few hours ago, see > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2021-February/292889.html > . Maybe I was wrong about the blacklist. If this email gets through, then gmail works! 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20210206032551.258a07a7@archlinux> Message-ID: <29724a30-e995-e170-4b9d-6654747b0f47@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 01:10:29 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210206032551.258a07a7@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DXk2c5BJGz3jhc X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=LQQSJElJ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of smontgomerysmithfreebsd@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::236 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=smontgomerysmithfreebsd@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::236:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::236:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::236:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 07:10:33 -0000 On 2/5/21 8:25 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 6 Feb 2021 01:46:37 +0000, Montgomery-Smith, Stephen wrote: >> My employer is making me use outlook. So I would like to use a >> different email host company for my FreeBSD mailing lists. I tried >> gmail, but it seems that gmail is blacklisted with FreeBSD.org. >> Anyone got other suggestions? > > It wasn't blacklisted a few hours ago, see > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2021-February/292889.html > . Maybe I was wrong about the blacklist. If this email gets through, then gmail works! 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So I would like to use a >> different email host company for my FreeBSD mailing lists. I tried >> gmail, but it seems that gmail is blacklisted with FreeBSD.org. >> Anyone got other suggestions? > > It wasn't blacklisted a few hours ago, see > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2021-February/292889.html . > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > If this gets through, then I made a mistake and it isn't blacklisted. 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20210206032551.258a07a7@archlinux> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 01:29:21 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210206032551.258a07a7@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DXkSM6Dzkz3kwy X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=AoGKXYiM; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of montgomerysmithstephen@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::32e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=montgomerysmithstephen@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::32e:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::32e:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::32e:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 07:29:25 -0000 On 2/5/21 8:25 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 6 Feb 2021 01:46:37 +0000, Montgomery-Smith, Stephen wrote: >> My employer is making me use outlook. So I would like to use a >> different email host company for my FreeBSD mailing lists. I tried >> gmail, but it seems that gmail is blacklisted with FreeBSD.org. >> Anyone got other suggestions? > > It wasn't blacklisted a few hours ago, see > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2021-February/292889.html . > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > If this gets through, then I made a mistake and it isn't blacklisted. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 6 07:32:01 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C761653F31A for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 07:32:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@sdf.org) Received: from mx.sdf.org (mx.sdf.org [205.166.94.24]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx.sdf.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DXkWN5M6Mz3lKr for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 07:32:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@sdf.org) Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:bennett@sdf.org [205.166.94.16]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 1167VjMD008962 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Sat, 6 Feb 2021 07:31:45 GMT Received: (from bennett@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 1167WfkL012997; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 01:32:41 -0600 (CST) From: Scott Bennett Message-Id: <202102060732.1167WfkL012997@sdf.org> Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 01:32:41 -0600 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Suggestion for release names? Cc: "Polytropon David Christensen" User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.5 6/20/10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DXkWN5M6Mz3lKr X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.80 / 15.00]; FAKE_REPLY(1.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:205.166.94.0/24]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[205.166.94.24:from]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[205.166.94.24:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sdf.org,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14361, ipnet:205.166.94.0/24, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 07:32:01 -0000 On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 01:39:54 +0100 Polytropon wrote: >On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 16:25:02 -0800, David Christensen wrote: >> On 2021-02-04 03:11, Polytropon wrote: >> > On Wed, 3 Feb 2021 13:34:30 -0700, @lbutlr wrote: >> >> I know the subject of user confusion on STABLE and RELEASE has come >> >> up in the past, but I found out that releng is also confusing as I >> >> was recently talking to someone who only ran releng versions of >> >> freebsd because he thought that was an English only version of >> >> Release. >> >> >> I know this is probably futile and there's little reason to change, >> >> but I think all three animus could be better. >> > >> > The "problem" is that those termini technici all carry a >> > well understood meaning, >> >> > Even worse, if you try to do a mapping of >> > >> > RELEASE-p | >> > RELEASE | | home user >> > PRERELEASE | | embedded >> > RC | is to be | desktop >> > BETA | used for | server >> > ALPHA | | tester >> > STABLE | | developer STABLE used to mean that the kernal ABI remained constant throughout a major release number. However, AFAICT, that rule was broken two or three years ago by the decision to import the LINUX Way of Doing Things (TM) for graphics support, a decision which some view as having been forced upon the FreeBSD graphics team, but which nonetheless has caused chaos ever since. Somehow the NetBSD project has taken a different path, although I do not know how they have managed that. >> > CURRENT / HEAD | >> > >> > this will be very hard and probably won't work. ;-) [smirk] To say the least. >> >> I suspect that the terms chosen however many years ago have undergone >> shifts in meaning, which reduces understanding. > >I fully agree with that. However, a certain context must be >understood as "known context", otherwise just choosing other >words would be futile. And always keep in mind that those >are intended for the english-speaking users - non-english >languages are not even considered. > With that my self-control has been overridden, so I will add some "context" (a.k.a. "noise") to the discussion. A few of the above terms were in use long before UNIX of any kind came into existence. These terms were used by mainframe vendors, e.g., Burroughs, CDC, Fujitsu/FACOM, GE, Honeywell, IBM, ICL, NCR, and RCA, who provided monitor system and operating system software for their mainframe products, at least once the hardware was advanced enough to support such software. Naturally, operating system software was not a one-time thing, but rather came in successive versions termed such-and-sundry "release" each time a new version was issued. Prior to new software being made publicly available, the vendors would issue "alpha" releases to be used *strictly in house* by installations within that vendor corporation. (The tor project, for example, does not follow that tradition. It calls what other folks would term "beta" releases as "alpha".) After extensive in-house testing of new versions of software (and not just operating system software), a beta release would be issued to a select few customers, usually with very large installation bases, on the basis of signed, written agreements that the software was provided on a strictly test basis with no liability on the part of the vendors with the further agreement that the users of such beta releases would attempt to document any and all problems encountered with the test software to the vendors, so that the vendors might track down and fix the problems before generally releasing new versions to their user bases at large. The beta-test period might last from several months to over a year. In the case of OS/360, for example, releases were normally just given integer numeration. There were exceptions, however, My earliest encounters with OS/360 were with release 13, although I had been given quite a few SRL manuals for release 11 for my own use by an IBM SE. In those days, there were still very loud, legendary echos about OS/360 release 9, which was followed by 9.5, 9 1/2, and 9.55 before users had finally lowered their screaming to levels IBM thought it might survive. (9.5 and 9 1/2 were, it was made clear to me, even by IBMers, distinct releases.:-) Prior to that there had been release 5, which, IIRC, could not complete the IPL startup. The details escape me at this remove, but it was thought of as another of IBM's major screwups. Of the operating systems of the other major vendors I know nothing from those days, except that only Honeywell and IBM put forth hardware and operating systems that supported virtual memory (Multics and TSS/360). Soon after, Cambridge University issued CP-67/CMS as the world's first virtual machine facility. In the IBM line, I don't know, for example, what the extensive 70xx processors had for operating systems, if any, or whether they only had monitor systems. Somebody older than I is invited to fill in that gap. The 1620 and the 1710 control systems had stand-alone support and a disk-based monitor system, of which I used the appropriately named Monitor I for three years or so. AFAIK, that latter software only had a single release, which included the SPS-II assembler and the FORTRAN II-D compiler and processed a super-simple set of job control statements. In any event, the concept of a "release candidate" was assumed in the idea of a "beta" release. After fairly extensive testing by the restricted set of beta users and the ensuing patches, the fixed version was released. IOW. a beta release *was* a release candidate. Beta sites were *very* restricted. I don't recall ever meeting anyone who claimed to be a beta user for IBM software in those days. > >> I think people could better deal with vocabulary if they had a better >> understanding of the FreeBSD release engineering process and its >> deliverables. Yes, this is also true. However, the problem remains that a new user of FreeBSD has not spent several months reading the available documentation and conducting experiments based thereon and therefore is confronted by a learning-curve mountain that he must grok before he can have had time to do so. Further, if said user comes from a background of one of the other BSDs, he may be fooled by their differing software life cycles. > >Still misunderstandings could arise. For example, CURRENT >seems to suggest (!) that this is the most recent version >of FreeBSD - shouldn't you install that? But in fact it is >a development version. Also STABLE could be misunderstood >as an attribute that this version is stable, while in >reality RELEASE-pX (patched version) would be that kind of >software. A fair point. A better name, for example, might have been -DEVEL or something similar. After all, that sort of naming can be seen extensively throughout the ports tree. Or, perhaps, something like -FUTURE. ;-) (Or maybe even -FUTURAMA. %-D ) > >As I sometimes tend to say: FreeBSD's release engineering >process is like a distillery: from CURRENT / HEAD through >STABLE to RELEASE. ;-) > >But of course this is not a one-way "reduction" process, >because from HEAD or STABLE, security patches can be >generated, and they can also be ported back to older >versions which are still supported, so an "older release, >patched version" could be more up-to-date than a "newer >release, point-RELEASE dot zero". The whole concept of >the release engineering process could be illustrated >in a way that the meanings of the "tags" become clear. > >I don't know if it is possible (or desired) to change >the naming, but that might also be a chance to provide >easier ways of understanding to those who do not know >the context of historically grown termini technici >within the FreeBSD realm... > > > >> Michael W. Lucas in "Absolute FreeBSD", 3 e., pp. 422-427 [2], discusses >> "FreeBSD versions". Figure 18-1 is very helpful: >> >> - The trunk is labeled "FreeBSD-current". I believe this corresponds >> to -CURRENT deliverables [3]. >> >> - Two branches are shown -- "FreeBSD-stable 13" and "FreeBSD-stable 14". >> I believe these correspond to -STABLE deliverables [4]. >> >> - There are dashed lines marked "Improvements" from the trunk to the >> branches. I believe those that arrive at numbers -- 13.0, 13.1, 13.2, >> 13.3, etc. -- correspond to -RELEASE deliverables [5] and those that do >> not correspond to patches. >> >> >> I suggest adding a similar diagram to the FreeBSD website, supplemented >> with explanatory text. > >Excellent idea. This way, the termini technici used are put >into the correct context. > Yes. However, it should be carefully reviewed for errors and omissions. A history of UNIX chart is included in FreeBSD somewhere, though at the moment I don't seem to be able to find it. That history, however, is very incomplete and possibly incorrect in some places. For example, NEXTSTEP does not appear in the chart at all, not even in the Mac OS history, although it was the foundation for all that ensued following Steve Jobs's return to Apple. And NEXTSTEP was a descendent of 4.3BSD and 4.4BSD UNIXes with the kernel modifications of CMU's Mach versions 2.4 and 2.6. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ********************************************************************** * Internet: bennett at sdf.org *xor* bennett at freeshell.org * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * * -- Gov. 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To: questions@freebsd.org References: <25de0d19-1bb6-610f-c0cb-ef7721086902@panix.com> <24606.3187.85211.65015@jerusalem.litteratus.org> From: Yuri Pankov Message-ID: <587ffb90-4041-7e96-f9f7-0f0ff8827587@yuripv.dev> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 13:14:59 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <24606.3187.85211.65015@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DXp7T58BYz3vQr X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yuripv.dev header.s=fm1 header.b=LLrUjaCO; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=SoD74acp; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of yuripv@yuripv.dev designates 66.111.4.229 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=yuripv@yuripv.dev X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.09 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:66.111.4.229]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yuripv.dev:+,messagingengine.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.49)[-0.492]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.111.4.229:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[66.111.4.229:from]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yuripv.dev:s=fm1,messagingengine.com:s=fm2]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[yuripv]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[yuripv.dev]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.111.4.229:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 10:15:02 -0000 Robert Huff wrote: > >> > Anyone got other suggestions? >> >> I hear good things about Fastmail. Haven't tried it myself. > > My wife has had Fastmail mailbox for at least twenty years, and > has no complaints. As a mail _host_? Dunno. I'm using fastmail and do agree with "good things" and "no complaints". It is paid service, but absolutely worth it IMO. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 6 10:52:27 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB53F5446FE for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 10:52:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DXpyf5ZC0z4RVt for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 10:52:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: What are good mail hosts to use with FreeBSD mailing lists? From: "@lbutlr" In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 03:52:24 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <262CCA29-4B76-4941-9563-8D544B5FFDC1@kreme.com> References: <20210206032551.258a07a7@archlinux> To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DXpyf5ZC0z4RVt X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.31 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.91)[-0.908]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 10:52:27 -0000 On 05 Feb 2021, at 20:40, Valeri Galtsev = wrote: > On Feb 5, 2021, at 8:25 PM, Ralf Mardorf = wrote: >> On Sat, 6 Feb 2021 01:46:37 +0000, Montgomery-Smith, Stephen wrote: >>> My employer is making me use outlook. So I would like to use a >>> different email host company for my FreeBSD mailing lists. I tried >>> gmail, but it seems that gmail is blacklisted with FreeBSD.org. >=20 > This makes my day! Great move, FreeBSD.org!! I do not think this is accurate. I see many many posts on freebsd.org's = list from gmail users like "Ultima", "Roderick", "Graham Perrin" and = many many others. --=20 "An idea isn't responsible for the people who believe it." - Don Marquis From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 6 12:54:57 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB582528476 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 12:54:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DXsh12gzBz4ZCt for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 12:54:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 5BFA5528835; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 12:54:57 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BBD8528475 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 12:54:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DXsh11bcsz4Z7L for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 12:54:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=rcn.com; s=20180516; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@rcn.com; t=1612616095; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=DHFgPHkra7m7+MKe4yBWwgaWhX8=; b=DGdVegJTgRqLaKpr0g1yNIzRo9P+fTHs9PwaykGK0odVfAczjy0nS5d7J8xTm/iw PKhxipTXa7rSPg2fTMNYrorlhEAFFn96fOUkYPrLeYIlr/KXo+n+1s+MyEwG506X Ur//DVs71OG01lHmeCCTQDyN1RnNs++zpB3akKVdTkn+AQltEu0c7nven3ty9QSM 51m1EYcFTMKhOoo+N+irmzl+W7PxGnzM6iwsD7ylt/q2f4rnh/8iwdj7KKWbYQ9v xKfAqF+6faM/PhHeQDYUkXqXT5nky6ChMtnPB5nnp4CEOFNYuPoYSHADHLUSypuU 2J43t1bPuG5NHtp74n4iCg==; X_CMAE_Category: , , X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=TPOA93pa c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=601e919f cx=a_idp_x a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:117 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:17 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=XRQyMpdBKAEA:10 a=qa6Q16uM49sA:10 a=48faUk6PgeAA:10 a=wH_2OzdkHbu9a_I06wQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine X-Authed-Username: cm9iZXJ0aHVmZkByY24uY29t Received: from [209.6.230.48] ([209.6.230.48:50144] helo=jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384) id 82/48-53000-F919E106; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 07:54:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <24606.37278.872503.977191@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 07:54:54 -0500 From: Robert Huff To: Yuri Pankov CC: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What are good mail hosts to use with FreeBSD mailing lists? In-Reply-To: <587ffb90-4041-7e96-f9f7-0f0ff8827587@yuripv.dev> References: <25de0d19-1bb6-610f-c0cb-ef7721086902@panix.com> <24606.3187.85211.65015@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <587ffb90-4041-7e96-f9f7-0f0ff8827587@yuripv.dev> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 27.1 (amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) X-Vade-Verditct: clean X-Vade-Analysis: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledrgeekgdegiecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfujgfpteevqfftnfgvrghrnhhinhhgpdftvefppdfqfgfvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddunecunecujfgurhepgggtgffkfffhvffujghfofesthejredtredtvdenucfhrhhomheptfhosggvrhhtucfjuhhffhcuoehrohgsvghrthhhuhhffhesrhgtnhdrtghomheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnheptddtleektefhgeeggfevleeugedvleduheeuuedvgeejiedvffeiffeftefhgfeunecukfhppedvtdelrdeirddvfedtrdegkeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepihhnvghtpedvtdelrdeirddvfedtrdegkeenpdhmrghilhhfrhhomheprhhosggvrhhthhhufhhfsehrtghnrdgtohhmnedprhgtphhtthhopeihuhhrihhpvheshihurhhiphhvrdguvghvne X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DXsh11bcsz4Z7L X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 12:54:57 -0000 Yuri Pankov writes: >> I hear good things about Fastmail. Haven't tried it myself. > > My wife has had Fastmail mailbox for at least twenty years, and > has no complaints. As a mail _host_? Dunno. > > I'm using fastmail and do agree with "good things" and "no > complaints". It is paid service, but absolutely worth it IMO. Wife says: there is a free mailbox plan ... but it comes with limited storage and they insert an ad at the bottom of each message. Respectfully, Robert Huff -- Hello ... my name is SARS-CoV-2. You are not wearing a mask? Prepare to die! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 6 14:12:31 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54ED52AAE1 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 14:12:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DXvPW21Fcz4fXQ for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 14:12:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.181] (host86-167-39-8.range86-167.btcentralplus.com [86.167.39.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 116ECPMC048257 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 14:12:29 GMT (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) Subject: Re: LTO tape and StorageWorks PowerVault auto-changers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1465208268.50.1612440848455.JavaMail.zimbra@scottmail.org> <801363304.59.1612441177249.JavaMail.zimbra@scottmail.org> From: freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk Message-ID: <80600593-3d22-9ffe-a8ca-b935f9f7bc98@fjl.co.uk> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 14:13:20 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <801363304.59.1612441177249.JavaMail.zimbra@scottmail.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DXvPW21Fcz4fXQ X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk designates 84.45.41.196 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.40 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:84.45.41.196]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[fjl.co.uk]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[84.45.41.196:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25577, ipnet:84.45.0.0/17, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[86.167.39.8:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 14:12:32 -0000 On 04/02/2021 12:19, Casey Scott wrote: > Amanda may be worth a look. It should support jukeboxes, though my "library" is virtual (file based) tapes but I also use it with LTOs with a non-changing LTO tape drive. Thanks for the pointer. Unfortunately this question got duplicated on the list, and this is the rogue thread. Several people have pointed out Amanda elsewhere, so I'll take a look at it. Amanda appearently uses autochangers via the Linux mtx utility, which is available as a port. It seems like another Linux "we can do it better" of the old chio utility, which has been in base for a VERY long time. I'm going through the driver it uses (ch), which hasn't been updated since 1998 but does seem to work, at least to an extent, with several current jukeboxes. Unfortunately I can't get away with buying a sample of every one on the market. As well as looking to refresh the documentation, I may be refreshing the driver the way things are going! PLEASE REPLY TO THE OTHER THREAD AS I WON'T BE FOLLOWING THIS ROGUE ONE. Regards, Frank. 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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 10:00:04 -0500 Organization: seibercom Message-ID: <011501d6fc98$c06f5a80$414e0f80$@seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQK94OI0YZjIW9lrqpLlsWrBiY5K8Kh9bgiA X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DXwdC0hwdz4jL0 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=Te45InX/; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::835 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.50 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::835:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::835:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::835:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 15:07:43 -0000 On Friday, February 5, 2021 8:47 PM, Montgomery-Smith stated: > My employer is making me use outlook. So I would like to use a different > email host company for my FreeBSD mailing lists. I tried gmail, but it seems > that gmail is blacklisted with FreeBSD.org. Anyone got other suggestions? 1) You probably should not use your company's equipment, Internet access, etcetera for your personal use. 2) Your company may be blocking access to "Gmail." I have heard of this happening. 3) Are you interested in a "free" or "paid" service? -- Jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 6 15:50:15 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F5852D184 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 15:50:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from news@mips.inka.de) Received: from mail.inka.de (mail.inka.de [IPv6:2a04:c9c7:0:1073:217:a4ff:fe3b:e77c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DXxZH1zF5z4m0S for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 15:50:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from news@mips.inka.de) Received: from mips.inka.de (news@[127.0.0.1]) by mail.inka.de with uucp (rmailwrap 0.5) id 1l8PqY-00AICF-6o; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 16:50:06 +0100 Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 116FjqVU001376 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 16:45:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from news@lorvorc.mips.inka.de) Received: (from news@localhost) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 116FjqjX001375 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 16:45:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from news) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Weisgerber Newsgroups: list.freebsd.questions Subject: Future of svnweb.freebsd.org/csrg? Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 15:45:52 -0000 (UTC) Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (FreeBSD) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DXxZH1zF5z4m0S X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of news@mips.inka.de has no SPF policy when checking 2a04:c9c7:0:1073:217:a4ff:fe3b:e77c) smtp.mailfrom=news@mips.inka.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.80 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[news]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a04:c9c7:0:1073:217:a4ff:fe3b:e77c:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a04:c9c7:0:1073:217:a4ff:fe3b:e77c:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[inka.de]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[naddy@mips.inka.de,news@mips.inka.de]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:202113, ipnet:2a04:c9c7::/32, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[naddy@mips.inka.de,news@mips.inka.de]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 15:50:15 -0000 As the FreeBSD project is phasing out Subversion, svnweb.freebsd.org is bound to go away eventually. What is going to happen to the conversion of the CSRG SCCS history at https://svnweb.freebsd.org/csrg/ ? This is not part of any FreeBSD repository so it isn't covered by the move to Git. And it is a valuable historical resource. (I'm aware of the Git conversion at github.com/jonathangray/csrg. I just sent Jonathan mail about bugs I ran into.) -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 6 16:42:24 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5F652E5B0 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 16:42:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DXykS1G4pz4pDg for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 16:42:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Received: from rain.home (pool-173-48-64-3.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.64.3]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4DXykR4DsXz1R3R for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 11:42:23 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=panix.com; s=panix; t=1612629743; bh=Fm8EFlu0bz0jzGsuMjoj2gTFyNIgzSHZAEbSTcfFAKc=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=eqBQx/w3x7oF/Frd7FbZKuehpwNP/jTR5LKV4TX+9Tw94ewkY2+dWCw5tERDCPMep m/Q9ypfpw/JdHYAcLWLT/5tuR0Q7eUx3OzyVGnMmgr94eE+2BtTtxbakEh1C4sHd+Q 1hJGyDN/UhQEs0fU9hzy0RvkiftpuDlcWIs4J0yc= Subject: Re: What are good mail hosts to use with FreeBSD mailing lists? 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Haven't tried it myself. >> >>     My wife has had Fastmail mailbox for at least twenty years, and >> has no complaints.  As a mail _host_?  Dunno. > > I'm using fastmail and do agree with "good things" and "no complaints". >  It is paid service, but absolutely worth it IMO. Reminder: Gmail keeps all mail forever, and reads it, ongoing, to decide what advertisements Google's services will play at you. "Free" isn't really free. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 6 16:51:10 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1C752EC96 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 16:51:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DXywY4XpRz4q9m for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 16:51:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [188.174.48.142] (helo=c720-r368166.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l8Qnb-0006JN-5I for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 17:51:07 +0100 Received: from c720-r368166.fritz.box (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c720-r368166.unixarea.de (8.16.1/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id 116Gp6IR036633 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 17:51:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by c720-r368166.fritz.box (8.16.1/8.14.9/Submit) id 116Gp61r036632 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 17:51:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: c720-r368166.fritz.box: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 17:51:06 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What are good mail hosts to use with FreeBSD mailing lists? Message-ID: Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <25de0d19-1bb6-610f-c0cb-ef7721086902@panix.com> <24606.3187.85211.65015@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <587ffb90-4041-7e96-f9f7-0f0ff8827587@yuripv.dev> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT r368166 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! Please send only plain text. X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 188.174.48.142 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DXywY4XpRz4q9m X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of guru@unixarea.de has no SPF policy when checking 178.254.4.101) smtp.mailfrom=guru@unixarea.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.20 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[guru@unixarea.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[178.254.4.101:from]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[188.174.48.142:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[178.254.4.101:from]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42730, ipnet:178.254.0.0/19, country:DE]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[unixarea.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[178.254.4.101:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[178.254.4.101:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 16:51:10 -0000 El día sábado, febrero 06, 2021 a las 11:42:22a. m. -0500, Kurt Hackenberg escribió: > On 2/6/21 5:14 AM, Yuri Pankov wrote: > > > > >    >   Anyone got other suggestions? > > > >    I hear good things about Fastmail. Haven't tried it myself. > > > > > >     My wife has had Fastmail mailbox for at least twenty years, and > > > has no complaints.  As a mail _host_?  Dunno. > > > > I'm using fastmail and do agree with "good things" and "no complaints". > >  It is paid service, but absolutely worth it IMO. > > > Reminder: Gmail keeps all mail forever, and reads it, ongoing, to decide > what advertisements Google's services will play at you. "Free" isn't really > free. Please move this gaggle elsewhere. All this has less than zero to do with FreeBSD. Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 6 16:55:53 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF38552EBCC for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 16:55:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DXz205XPfz4qNW for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 16:55:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.231] (unknown [172.58.137.160]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F1DBC4E669; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 10:55:51 -0600 (CST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Subject: Re: What are good mail hosts to use with FreeBSD mailing lists? From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 10:55:50 -0600 Cc: Scott Bennett via freebsd-questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <25de0d19-1bb6-610f-c0cb-ef7721086902@panix.com> <24606.3187.85211.65015@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <587ffb90-4041-7e96-f9f7-0f0ff8827587@yuripv.dev> To: Kurt Hackenberg X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DXz205XPfz4qNW X-Spamd-Bar: +++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.63 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.137.160:received]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[172.58.137.160:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.973]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 16:55:53 -0000 > On Feb 6, 2021, at 10:42 AM, Kurt Hackenberg wrote: >=20 > On 2/6/21 5:14 AM, Yuri Pankov wrote: >=20 >>>> > Anyone got other suggestions? >>>> I hear good things about Fastmail. Haven't tried it myself. >>>=20 >>> My wife has had Fastmail mailbox for at least twenty years, and >>> has no complaints. As a mail _host_? Dunno. >> I'm using fastmail and do agree with "good things" and "no = complaints". It is paid service, but absolutely worth it IMO. >=20 >=20 > Reminder: Gmail keeps all mail forever, and reads it, ongoing, to = decide what advertisements Google's services will play at you. "Free" = isn't really free. I wish it were as benign as just advertisements. Less benign would be = analysis of the information and use it in political (=E2=80=9Celection=E2=80= =9D) play. One can think up even less benign use of everything. And as some wise man said: you do not need to recruit spies. Just roll = out =E2=80=9Cfree=E2=80=9D services, and information will float to you. I=E2=80=99m writing all this realizing that it will end up in huge = number of gmail accounts. As 80 or 90 % of all email does. 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All this has less than zero to do with > FreeBSD. Thanks I think it was reasonable for me to ask, because I thought gmail was blacklisted. I wanted to be sure that any provider I used was not blacklisted. But it turned out that the problem was that I included the period in my username on gmail. That seems to confuse the FreeBSD mail server. So if you want to use gmail with FreeBSD, don't put periods in your gmail user name. 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All this has less than zero to do with > FreeBSD. Thanks I think it was reasonable for me to ask, because I thought gmail was blacklisted. I wanted to be sure that any provider I used was not blacklisted. But it turned out that the problem was that I included the period in my username on gmail. That seems to confuse the FreeBSD mail server. So if you want to use gmail with FreeBSD, don't put periods in your gmail user name. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 6 21:26:00 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A6D53A262 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 21:26:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd2d.google.com (mail-io1-xd2d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DY51g4Khwz4gTV for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 21:25:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd2d.google.com with SMTP id n201so11009988iod.12 for ; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 13:25:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=wKovinMH7qO8COC/183strrEKiZSFhB7jF0WwT6RZK0=; b=sFQpsH/c/W/BAYKRwsp011lCQ0XDyfz5/g/Wv3M2GG0uL5aHTQRdphChTliyVnP1wj St3967hvS/mz6EK6R/juZKQ3MVoAvuhfWrPZZnrHoYK9ZyxbfFli9aq9lfq8Umo1QhoE IExTQSUBWT5W81JXZAedVgnJMUwoZZNHz7pcqdLMHt8tJVWmz/tAwxztoj/M3PcHUT/h +hyND3y+LqPeEAATK91ARU+H0EQHWFGiMk6I4rM1TPCbv6+3T1DoyCC9FXeG7ysDIXYc 1TWcWI4kuvI5gTd3EdL+ccV2v3srHMjgHi73dR2cr5AeK4a9jmotoXmko5EEK5ogAw3n 8KMw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=wKovinMH7qO8COC/183strrEKiZSFhB7jF0WwT6RZK0=; b=kHTxdFfVTEvL5I0thSw625Q115mbp6h1LeD0JkwPTR7Ldv8Hs+uuZP/MA+5RH24qIf P99z6VGKlBhx8QhiX8iFFJdZE1otnQ6SVO7Iwgwc2+MZk41ffm0cZkosw+gCaxl+oTlZ R2u5vB3c2T980LSL+yF6H6vuBFc8zDz1mwI3b3Wj2D9ufW4wwrpus/YJmCQcm4ye6Fpp YDASLXa3pOQheI/Kf9GsJWUjqvSfC3Dn1T7u+jY848fSVqdV07PCpVmV+AcpGASjhc10 FAm8IwHyW8cM+5CpDwAbtxjYTN/4CXC/YaAgIhUCIzFdV6wypoPd7urTj0ZQe96DnzZB xDmg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530NIUJmOMrL0efe65xicz3LfuKetTlbG4bfbbRRAiryXjsiJ4lc LGIRGSWO9Pw6KUnjOHhG6nU1zzLZC34NQbafq3boMGqDDtg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzAC0vuPlU53zYXnI5o2rSs3qCue+bYY8vwZntBma/XFnC3Cuep6dXXzM/+NgHwPsZ4fDU3tTWx6CgXW4FbPJI= X-Received: by 2002:a02:cbb0:: with SMTP id v16mr11311747jap.126.1612646754378; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 13:25:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael Schuster Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 22:25:44 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: "make" in ports tells me "requires kernel source files in SRC_BASE=/usr/src." despite an up-to-date /usr/src To: freeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DY51g4Khwz4gTV X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=sFQpsH/c; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of michaelsprivate@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=michaelsprivate@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2d:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2d:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2d:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 21:26:00 -0000 Hi, again, apologies if this is not the right place to ask this question ... I've done a fair amount of googling, without relevant findings. $Subject says all - both the port I'm trying to build as well as /usr/src are up-to-date (one using "svn up", the other "git pull"), I'm also running the kernel that I built from those sources. uname: FreeBSD host 14.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT #12 main-n244657-344f1083e12: Sat Feb 6 12:17:33 CET 2021 root@host:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC amd64 Any hints appreciated, TIA Michael -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 6 21:52:04 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF5353BAB5 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 21:52:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) Received: from sigill.theweb.org.ua (noc.quadranet.com [66.63.164.214]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "sigill.theweb.org.ua", Issuer "sigill.theweb.org.ua" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DY5bl0MHDz4k6L for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 21:52:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) Received: from sigill.theweb.org.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sigill.theweb.org.ua (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 116Lpq3Q046056 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 23:51:52 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) Received: (from oleg@localhost) by sigill.theweb.org.ua (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 116LpqYA046055 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 23:51:52 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) X-Authentication-Warning: sigill.theweb.org.ua: oleg set sender to oleg@theweb.org.ua using -f From: "Oleg V. Nauman" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "make" in ports tells me "requires kernel source files in SRC_BASE=/usr/src." despite an up-to-date /usr/src Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 23:51:51 +0200 Message-ID: <2392054.0dHE6SNnxz@sigill.theweb.org.ua> Organization: Private persom In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DY5bl0MHDz4k6L X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of oleg@theweb.org.ua has no SPF policy when checking 66.63.164.214) smtp.mailfrom=oleg@theweb.org.ua X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.30 / 15.00]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HELO_NORES_A_OR_MX(0.30)[sigill.theweb.org.ua]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HELO_IP_A(1.00)[sigill.theweb.org.ua]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.63.164.214:from]; CTE_CASE(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8100, ipnet:66.63.164.0/23, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[oleg]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.63.164.214:from:127.0.2.255]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[theweb.org.ua]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 21:52:04 -0000 On 2021 M02 6, Sat 23:25:44 EET Michael Schuster wrote: > Hi, > > again, apologies if this is not the right place to ask this question ... > > I've done a fair amount of googling, without relevant findings. > > $Subject says all - both the port I'm trying to build as well as /usr/src > are up-to-date (one using "svn up", the other "git pull"), I'm also running > the kernel that I built from those sources. I am observing the same issue with virtualbox-ose-kmod and drm-current-kmod after routine system update today amd64 14.0-CURRENT main-n244657-344f1083e128 > > uname: > FreeBSD host 14.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT #12 > main-n244657-344f1083e12: Sat Feb 6 12:17:33 CET 2021 > root@host:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC > amd64 > > Any hints appreciated, > TIA > Michael From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 6 22:56:15 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 873F153D90E for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 22:56:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DY71p5fmZz4nXm for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 22:56:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.181] (host86-167-39-8.range86-167.btcentralplus.com [86.167.39.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 116MuCPM066548 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 22:56:13 GMT (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Frank Leonhardt Subject: Is there an easy way to update your own kernel? Message-ID: <2c5bec8a-aeeb-d9d2-6001-f63b97b8e90b@fjl.co.uk> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 22:57:07 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DY71p5fmZz4nXm X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk designates 84.45.41.196 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:84.45.41.196:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[84.45.41.196:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[fjl.co.uk]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25577, ipnet:84.45.0.0/17, country:GB]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[86.167.39.8:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 22:56:15 -0000 I suspect there's no answer to this, but I'll ask it anyway. I have some tweaked drivers on my server cluster. I'd like to update FreeBSD, but obviously keep my driver tweaks. I've found two ways of doing this: 1) Upgrade from source, copying my own driver source over the "standard" versions. 2) To save building everything on every machine, do a source upgrade and then copy my custom kernel into /boot (using sftp) after a binary upgrade. I *could* split the drivers in question out of the kernel and load them dynamically, but, AFAIK, there's no way to replace an in-built kernel driver by loading an external module - you have to recompile the kernel without it or it's ignored. I'm certain this used to be the case anyway. Has anyone got a better way than either of the above? Thanks, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 6 23:03:16 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D6653D6F2 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 23:03:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DY79v53QGz4nqS for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 23:03:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.231] (unknown [172.58.137.160]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A760E4E669; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 17:03:14 -0600 (CST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Subject: Re: Is there an easy way to update your own kernel? From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: <2c5bec8a-aeeb-d9d2-6001-f63b97b8e90b@fjl.co.uk> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 17:03:12 -0600 Cc: Scott Bennett via freebsd-questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <2c5bec8a-aeeb-d9d2-6001-f63b97b8e90b@fjl.co.uk> To: Frank Leonhardt X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DY79v53QGz4nqS X-Spamd-Bar: +++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [7.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.137.160:received]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[172.58.137.160:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 23:03:16 -0000 > On Feb 6, 2021, at 4:57 PM, Frank Leonhardt = wrote: >=20 > I suspect there's no answer to this, but I'll ask it anyway. >=20 > I have some tweaked drivers on my server cluster. I'd like to update = FreeBSD, but obviously keep my driver tweaks. I've found two ways of = doing this: >=20 > 1) Upgrade from source, copying my own driver source over the = "standard" versions. >=20 > 2) To save building everything on every machine, do a source upgrade = and then copy my custom kernel into /boot (using sftp) after a binary = upgrade. >=20 The third way (which I would use) is composition of the two: build all = the way you need on one machine; distribute result of build to all, and = on each of machines do =E2=80=9Cmake install[kernel]=E2=80=9D. Just a = thought. Valeri > I *could* split the drivers in question out of the kernel and load = them dynamically, but, AFAIK, there's no way to replace an in-built = kernel driver by loading an external module - you have to recompile the = kernel without it or it's ignored. 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I'd like to update > FreeBSD, but obviously keep my driver tweaks. I've found two ways of > doing this: > > 1) Upgrade from source, copying my own driver source over the "standard" > versions. > > 2) To save building everything on every machine, do a source upgrade and > then copy my custom kernel into /boot (using sftp) after a binary upgrade. This is how I do it. 3) Do a binary upgrade but have one machine with the sources installed (so that they get updated too) and on that machine build and install your custom kernel, on other machines just install it (mount sources or copy it). Update the kernel between running freebsd-update install and rebooting the machine. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 6 23:45:05 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2CEB53E947 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 23:45:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Received: from outbound1a.ore.mailhop.org (outbound1a.ore.mailhop.org [54.213.22.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DY8690Hr4z4qWB for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 23:45:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1612655104; cv=none; d=outbound.mailhop.org; s=arc-outbound20181012; b=nnxU2QbSCj0swAyjqpcKJ4ItgyQsWHy2Oe/sNfseQCjSGdMUCJfwr75ootpeJ/gjn8FT0Rz3fwnqN cnGqcvTP7vyESCbRnxYy8iSKNy2DXK/VpNW80fEHqwBpC71/B36vwFFRROST8KbFrc68yIJEQuZNRy UBAZTTBdS5eyGjbXk/N5oW4etxLOxqX8KcuC98bTkXt3haRusUQ9dGKCHjMpVVsHQAVg/LAPFaIf7V PmnPRYaTA+l0J88nvvmlOC5QzZw45ojT4VwdVsJFn5ZWW9WyHD9o3f85Wlpq9W4n4FWs6z0kui4DQy A6LUsQVlQWLmaplDWzX1b3JHC/Ju3Jw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; 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Since this machine is used > > for backups, I have lots of other medata (eg, checksums) and I'm > > slowly working through to see if anything important is damaged. > > At this point: STOP. > If your data is important to you, get a copy of it NOW. Thanks to everyone who provided guidance here. Since this was my backup system, I determined that there wasn't any value in trying to restore the incremental history on it, and it would be best to start fresh with a new filesystem and new backups, which are in progress now. Matt