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The command I'm using is rsync -avz /path/of/first/system/folder/ /path/of/second/system/folder/ The first set of files/folders is on a ufs disk, the second on a zfs volume, differences in sizes are 13 to 20MB differences between the source and destination. Is this normal? Thanks. Dave. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 31 01:39:00 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 046002FE40C for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 01:39:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49ZLYs5pzvz461H; Sun, 31 May 2020 01:38:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.46.193]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MnaY1-1jFoKm0SDF-00jadA; Sun, 31 May 2020 03:38:53 +0200 Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 03:38:52 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Brandon helsley Cc: Matthew Seaman , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: FreeBSD Cert Message-Id: <20200531033852.9c345a6b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <626d9ab4-b00b-6112-8697-ea972eceb5b2@heuristicsystems.com.au> <8696720e-3c03-8ffa-6b2c-4c4c98772a49@FreeBSD.org> <20200531005421.8f845320.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:iHL6wAzX1EfVMKbQglgUTzvyB19nzKEOWu3XaxCOW5eilPf9IvM Q2bx2svkBAbzS86XNDEggvr0I53vO3In9dhoTY1saVPj8hXiw3esm2p9RYVQlaxUDPX5FAa rl4Rjg0E9zLtcIwiCVlZ02ujFuywYeGLsToNRJbs+6rseeqyaDGd2qGJdjKzwwraug+wsY9 boKyOjQYnBI16MaRack+g== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:AOMc2mJFNHI=:x8GZlbTbcJVmV8Vbr4Yv1m PZXnL7SnbjXKCyyN5DueM8M+wTfega+peW6G/sV3mLfQaDyQuS59lfFDs1BCfN7+f2IRfBSL4 JZ5TMIMydcLxxZ1kifPPvcIgC2hTLbP/w6wlgSGSw9vflrrR3c0pZT8oul7XcjPNXQnYBJheW xpz9KmGscPDKx58AfIGNitCw/R7r05nxJUT55KNgSzblzjflIXh/IWFgjwkQCSAT3OTYCRePT F+bvPztbk+4eJHKVxZC0H0aLuT0ocxawxi61i5pt6cxP1hoT6ucxAVV5hUfRpvVKGCu7WWMC+ V9TDmsij3pTqwKxl8oyFapPSC6rNdizDwTLcoO7ra29JZWn+ZY9PYV93o2tKsRoDu9Pp/AvDm apIYFLTeSZ/2Pjl3cAU6FD6EeKhGfPJhGgByBzmGmkKSWWBU5BfRHa9RdzWpVecsB7XXqNPBn KgjNqM5InjHPo6CEkOcCUvOOIz40/XBMiWMXH0UDI80V/vG9anw9Ten/P+UfFgci7xleRkrUq nkUgzbQgJhsvG+rYVTX8wPyliGvYcebUnMMbrzh4lTetXOiHxCHvzP5nk+4zQZzniL/zjfC0k hrcORrVMAt56U67TVrs4Kpq3LDgGl0Y7BK0r9Z1Ok2rsNqnipFcQZzcrkkgDyR4EkyubJ76D2 uoELhQ1N0eWhHxMzow1uHgcgJNKklplyN5zU1Xds4q/75Mv7BMZRjeQNgO1XGwAJRJ7Lmwl3F 1PgMXNIpY4ccRiOj2OmiuWuNOOl7zFzXC6O+QiWtB2VR120A2YqIXTm9s8uvpjeEr/Hf8K/LU RFDPQ5ru1FgZVKzzkOueZ61GzJd5S9ZxP9vRYFimuS9RWSRMVQ2/bjaqZB3miNNN461nZDMgl w/+nR0uJ60iQjAgr1tIA== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49ZLYs5pzvz461H X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.131) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.97 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.10)[-0.099]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[hotmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.12.46.193:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.81)[0.811]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.86)[0.857]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.131:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.131:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 01:39:00 -0000 On Sat, 30 May 2020 23:03:59 +0000, Brandon helsley wrote: > So to find out the legality of licensing to port a program to > freebsd do all I have to do is contact that programs website. That is the first step to go. For most open source programs, it should not be a big problem to make them available as a FreeBSD port when a Linux version already exists. However, contacting the original author(s) is probably the best thing you can do. In absolutely worst case, you can always contact a legal counsel, if that should be needed. > And then source code is quite easy to obtain I see. Depends. Some projects have their own website where they also publish source code, others use external services like GitHub. I'm also sure there are at least a few which use different services, like their own SVN server or something like that. In certain cases, _no_ source code is distributed (for example the nVidia graphics driver published by nVidia is just a binary blob, embedded as a port, so building the port does not compile anything, instead it just creates a package from an existing set of binary files). > It would just be on git hub right. At least today, that would surely be the most common way. > For the executable script and profiles and config files l, > I guessing the porters handbook is how you fashion those > in working order? Correct. Understand a port as a "cooking recipe" that describes where to obtain program sources from, how to patch them, how to build them, and where to install the results to. That kind of "recipe" is standardized - it's more or less the same approach for all ports. The result of following that "recipe" usually is a package that can be installed with pkg (and "make install" does exactly that). Note that there are a few ports where the licensing terms do not allow distribution in binary form - such ports cannot be installed via "pkg install", instead you always have to build them from source. This aspect is alco controlled by the "recipe". The FreeBSD Porter's Handbook provides an excellent foundation on how all those things work, from file description, their meaning and content, which tools and procedures, up to how the results of building a port are structured. So I'd suggest that reading this specific piece of documentation is essential for anyone who wants to become a port maintainer. You simply cannot get it working without it. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 31 01:42:14 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20E652FE4B4 for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 01:42:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49ZLdc6lcdz46cM for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 01:42:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.46.193]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1M8k65-1jaY9T3BOj-004hGb; Sun, 31 May 2020 03:42:10 +0200 Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 03:42:10 +0200 From: Polytropon To: David Mehler Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rsync counts not identical Message-Id: <20200531034210.ed0ddc30.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:xTptPnIHFXx5P7sJTS7XKpY1jp+3U6KqA2PD6zQtXPXp+VnwFpa WEqUWpynuriwTO3nh7K0Cmp9igR7TvxvdaFLx0hq8IbEzimuoxg9vCSJDtiP5752JtUlBJ7 Mr3/8FRDO7fcnZgbybI4MGdIqXRqUMzJrh0uuqIA2Mid7bt9FqcBKkShXAuNeev6naf4MzA iZyFYEgiOxTrKucoorbJw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:N9VOVaqBECY=:sj9X+bA/DfX5vIkoqGM7Fs ZepjaDXeklJJdkHlVtA6iEtWvfr4xWIx+g8UJgtEOpBrHGGTD9eKH7JAg/BEV0ukaztN8y55w 8hAPJAHpxeaRTZ65sfwsMvmTRTPHI05LQsIk1Ehlk/57Fa4PRXVgMjxowdz34Gjxf/2o8Mi+8 zZtsZB2rxuZY+RR1z+a8mjb8ilE+iLm8u+S4NhOeUi6T5AlHTetrIRWDAocFwfZf/9Gn0HO08 DsAqPPD8XTRBpKK2lM9IYAJE2WNrfEvRyUb7K/mL1QvXripFizAPyoIANqTgsJMacG7HCYu7N bpW38y9BLyalrNSS7JpKHdHQwUpmpBSCcThmLn1KDDUMRAtM7mQ4rHR89GhjYsypKO1atCICg VoVk5D3LqvWV+P/OIPpHqsW/xadrYPHEXrK2XdfYxvWHXxjXhcOhsTK7cPZT9URS4QmqqV9XG 8PYc8xr0fH/uRYOOM7MibdlMLHSuWm8oWXdkRjCVNbDNZ/4hxgRSVKeL/lVM2iz2JrxeVTT5I Y8QQ6r35drBTS9nPbj7rpRBqND48yRi2+QlqdpalLR0mKlNtaEObgNQF8KPrpxHqaFG3t8pZo EbGdfiJNBn58BmkBajVPdiigUBva5lIqWJyLgGYtbJKdWGCqsVwWvwiqDiAbDbtUSD8p29R8D 3LqZbx+FYckAbaXWbftPE3Fy/vOm6Fndpu9LmwEe8WwWkK1GNc/ZDeZAWlHpt6CITaqdq2uRq 307lUMPqTUHzlL44ssXoNof5PwgbkHavl0ICdhV5tEnmHlWislHlEboqKSCqEzn23iGr9mf0U Uzag/MaYFTAfOYyr3QupIszCU8fLsuu7GX07KbjxCXGmaW6mThqmZaO3F6LhqahM4HvgdLS X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49ZLdc6lcdz46cM X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.133) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.09 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.09)[-0.094]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.12.46.193:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_NEUTRAL(0.00)[212.227.126.133:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.89)[0.887]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.90)[0.896]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.133:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 01:42:14 -0000 On Sat, 30 May 2020 21:11:49 -0400, David Mehler wrote: > Hello, > > I'm using rsync on two FreeBSD servers to send files and subfolders > from one to the other. The command I'm using is rsync -avz > /path/of/first/system/folder/ /path/of/second/system/folder/ > > The first set of files/folders is on a ufs disk, the second on a zfs > volume, differences in sizes are 13 to 20MB differences between the > source and destination. Is this normal? How have the sizes been measured? Is it possible that some symlinks or hardlinks have been "resolved" in some undesired way? PS. Technically correct term is "directory"; a "folder" is the name of an icon representing (!) a directory. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 31 01:42:33 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B9192FE4C0 for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 01:42:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic312-27.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic312-27.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.178.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49ZLf039zlz46rx for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 01:42:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: 0VRLFdUVM1lsccKJ6Wdm4ICgdhM4i0OAlDlK0FPEKSCYIGkJ3btGgsraq97QUwW 05cnwN7BPY_4Jwl2TKbXCDll3DPjbYwHEallDxbkPiIMFwgjIjUcL_MEmBY0FB.FwuYF4mDJb9Hm 5nH5Ser5SLPcPng3DW6Y5Vy_gVWLcoUxR4yPfLT6ythhi4zB0qOAp6zYOU7fqGOB9FvaPiCns7vV Fyvs6bgekQiJlgd.DiXxpRwq6QvdH7etaMTNbNjteKZjhE14c.6bIBHReqhUmB6qyzvtcSbXFeBo zWy6fLOr9za1A3OThZywk1YWVdMTcOY5P9Qh7rW9uQDXHCitkAJw0Cq_26QtDfsVQV.ffOaC00qH gM2JeBYmC_hp5hViA_dTrrp6gYuCXhQIdZL7Dp5xQHQtocrQMU0mE39HIQNZII0_.uTJK9B7xaaW 03YHNexgWcby4pE5O_X.D1dmYnDoWAy6NV9kV.bkv5N6RzmUtHxU1xggZEl0tzSAye0IMkP9h8PO _OlbBg3Dpee3mZ8oJbhCngz5MfrY6auZZHy5i3b_oPmql.5PU56g.BkZJXBF4BQ43CA.kvqYZMDq 9zbLnufvfhMwDxDaK2Q8aUB6uT6sX45sp201mbhX_GSd2wphRBhAxldRoQ9TLCPknCv5fL0L6dmu OdVhudoqGxa4Kyq6_6cvyTlp2guufRxUp06Gy5HOr4VjnQm1mtQx8vm5jBTO4tfwcpjN_YzJ2H4O fFlHShKYimgUrUd7.Eib.D0dMprtgiCgncq1xomii7oj8optzX3V4mJeo4MI7oG41fOcM78AfNiC wBWd3TgK3PTNnBgK4mevuuBoULiB2nzarJMvNyEqQ4HAFe4krkh5ihfQ.jRhlGgBx54DnPlJ9lcP zBXFyoH00Xgy_T8lqwD5m.YdVqvJhR2xlwCoH2ep3hXgzrLL6DpfRkd9.2l3JiMLsh4_Z9NmYsmA HO7WrAgp1B.UNY.HHmmA_Ey51E5QP2X29CPHadhZDpwgHRB6ZTLAYC9lPy_VxtbKc32mqv2uCHXP CDYwWR4iNSmWNGvYotnfl2OXoJHj7zK0kuDZBP2RGkAigcby1m6ozyk.LJcSsSnvFji9m.GLKgzL .06ycJF6dPF3eLFlY5wyDcDRJE0nLQdPY0xpviW7qLQFuxFTXdBGzAIfKm0xZYPnKf8tEtUrp68P fYeEVI82I48QfV0q1P4Uq5hFn_KiM4J_EAbFecRdy.hOFSDlaj9eBbDZ.TnFcR_VJ.iJt2Tv8XCn 0sxiXqr2v.AkDPQD1OrMXvmq03xZMUU7CCNw.L51nh7grIsoHvmbD7gzptlWvRBisCH8CftJ_UBE 3sPH1vG7Sw95bxLVBLM76Z3QKVwiOEJAxLQ2tdZk3h1zJdzoHggPYw_wBrh10ne6wHodP53XvLbo ngE8- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic312.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 31 May 2020 01:42:30 +0000 Received: by smtp411.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 8fbbad8473c901f6566e684a12a07a47; Sun, 31 May 2020 01:42:29 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 03:42:31 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Cert Message-ID: <20200531034231.5a6a7092@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <626d9ab4-b00b-6112-8697-ea972eceb5b2@heuristicsystems.com.au> <8696720e-3c03-8ffa-6b2c-4c4c98772a49@FreeBSD.org> <20200531005421.8f845320.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49ZLf039zlz46rx X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.40 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.003]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[77.238.178.98:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.00)[-0.001]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.90)[-0.904]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[77.238.178.98:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 01:42:33 -0000 On Sat, 30 May 2020 23:03:59 +0000, Brandon helsley wrote: >So to find out the legality of licensing to port a program to freebsd >do all I have to do is contact that programs website. And then source >code is quite easy to obtain I see. It would just be on git hub right. Not necessarily on Microsoft's hosting service GitHub. There are SourceForge, GitLab a zillion other and some developers simply use their own homepage to provide the source code. >For the executable script and profiles and config files l, I guessing >the porters handbook is how you fashion those in working order? I don't know if the hanbook mentions the following, too. Often it's wiser to get in touch with upstream, to ask them to fix an issue, than to fix an issue by a FreeBSD port (or any other operating system's repository). Often just reporting a bug correctly is the best thing to do. Go to the issue tracker and describe an issue. What happens? What should happen instead? Post the output you get by a terminal, strace, gdb a log file... Describe the steps to reproduce the issue. The developer probably will reply and give you pointers in helping troubleshooting. So you will learn a lot you might need the day you become a port maintainer. Maybe before maintaining a port, you will use your skills to help maintaining Wikis, so you would help FLOSS communities and get more skills yourself. Now that you know the procedures, it makes more sense to read the FreeBSD handbooks and Wikis that are not necessarily related to FreeBSD only, on how to do things, such as maintaining a port, debugging or even how to do interleaved posting when replying to a mailing list thread. etc. and after that, if still necessary, to ask for help on a mailing list. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 31 02:16:56 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617882FEC7B for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 02:16:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x142.google.com (mail-il1-x142.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::142]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49ZMPg2vrPz48Yp for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 02:16:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x142.google.com with SMTP id 18so6161083iln.9 for ; Sat, 30 May 2020 19:16:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=NmsA0MXPNncrxvsrt9/lPRmQspVb+JH9TcmoKpWwiPs=; b=V4rmLK+ov+6xPPJ14AzNvxcHA8tsk9VdxLv/cxbY2oRxbkyXJM57znED8YmCkQvEYT u2oD5ybC27rHbBHi66stabiFypG8GmsuC+x16XZMJiop7/rKbBDLMjYd/gyqkNAmpHSE 08sR5LAfM6ZVrOgAetkGi7emMXg1Ep46WipuRyo/UljpIp2b7j497H0wp8vHsov7Pzz1 SZH+/FCIk0B/lcpkew/xNGMXbzj//t3/ktVZFE1IBFVwNDszkDN73RY7ORA78YV0oqY9 Q/bjMKLb4Y/FreMYD2dr1lVcafPECUkgJKjtIl7hqTsaYcW6+gg1pBnfHux9zAI21t+2 ayVA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=NmsA0MXPNncrxvsrt9/lPRmQspVb+JH9TcmoKpWwiPs=; b=DjX65zxh1wjuFFPUUg/fOZEHvP8mrZDepeEAOcz2UXfr7Tnyk5szxdeDahpx8Ghv7t xQwzI9h/iLOKCpE4iIOyjt9jClAd67HBNQh4bskn1kxpYsR5lnPyMskuTaibK+ueyCWQ MzHrZBt046r1zdi8RhJ1LGOQmP8ScKQxnJhPDvq0IgEboVFEUz9+HLMK2dS8bN+2EJS9 xXEIUZc1xQUOQvXr/rOY3xeaHuUHHl6G6u/sdjW5tDnHwmZvxVxlj1IisirX96mmOQ3Z uTPs1HLvnme09PnGT0DY1aXsGJNkSDAv0Be8QBd9vJf0wEZJbnRHD941YPtYIqCQClkE rb8A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533QJKRHxG1sc5+5oHPK6LC/daHXDa7Pm34hTfa0J+az7Wpz4Zcv TmlzKVYz2kYLefy3eX1+VDdPmO8zT4RNt8djCe0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxN4g02wgTY3iR3JtWLWT9DrudTY5bcgthqczq8zKnYWwx0J57A2rkeLAk9YBXv2SSVv2uyCeVjaLt+Bj7O8Qk= X-Received: by 2002:a92:c94f:: with SMTP id i15mr13758561ilq.185.1590891414196; Sat, 30 May 2020 19:16:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <626d9ab4-b00b-6112-8697-ea972eceb5b2@heuristicsystems.com.au> <8696720e-3c03-8ffa-6b2c-4c4c98772a49@FreeBSD.org> <20200531005421.8f845320.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200531034231.5a6a7092@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20200531034231.5a6a7092@archlinux> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 22:16:42 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD Cert To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49ZMPg2vrPz48Yp X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=V4rmLK+o; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::142 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.95 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.993]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.002]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.951]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::142:from]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 02:16:56 -0000 On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 9:42 PM Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Sat, 30 May 2020 23:03:59 +0000, Brandon helsley wrote: > >So to find out the legality of licensing to port a program to freebsd > >do all I have to do is contact that programs website. And then source > >code is quite easy to obtain I see. It would just be on git hub right. > > Not necessarily on Microsoft's hosting service GitHub. There are > SourceForge, GitLab a zillion other and some developers simply use > their own homepage to provide the source code. > > >For the executable script and profiles and config files l, I guessing > >the porters handbook is how you fashion those in working order? > > I don't know if the hanbook mentions the following, too. Often it's > wiser to get in touch with upstream, to ask them to fix an issue, than > to fix an issue by a FreeBSD port (or any other operating system's > repository). > Depends on how active the upstream is and how critical the fix is. For example on the port I maintain the original developer (upstream) passed away from complications of cancer in 2014 and thus there is no upstream, yet since I use the port as a critical component in my daily work I have kept it in good working order with patches on FreeBSD. Now the question is why do I continue to use devel/aegis instead of switching over to svn or git? Real simple aegis enforces a more robust development model then either svn or git (non-working code is almost impossible to add to the repo/baseline until you prove/make it work). I also use devel/cook from the same original developer for similar reasons over make (see "Recursive Make Considered Harmful"). The aside on why I use aegis is to show even if a port has no upstream if it still provides real value to the users of it you should still maintain it and make the needed patches to keep it in good working order as the FreeBSD base system evolves. > Often just reporting a bug correctly is the best thing to do. Go to the > issue tracker and describe an issue. What happens? What should happen > instead? Post the output you get by a terminal, strace, gdb a log > file... Describe the steps to reproduce the issue. > One way of gaining is to volunteer to be a pre-port commit tester. > > The developer probably will reply and give you pointers in helping > troubleshooting. So you will learn a lot you might need the day you > become a port maintainer. Maybe before maintaining a port, you will use > your skills to help maintaining Wikis, so you would help FLOSS > communities and get more skills yourself. > How does maintaining a wiki in and upon itself help any community? > Now that you know the procedures, it makes more sense to read the > FreeBSD handbooks and Wikis that are not necessarily related to > FreeBSD only, on how to do things, such as maintaining a port, debugging > or even how to do interleaved posting when replying to a mailing list > thread. etc. and after that, if still necessary, to ask for help on a > mailing list. > Just a general comment on the "no top posting" "rule" that FreeBSD has no one else has such a rule and many mail clients do top posting by default and make interleaving non-trivial (such OP's it appears). Additionally there is enough top posting being done on today's Internet that everyone should be familiar with it and know how to read it in context. So we might want to recommend interleaving but it should not be some rule set in stone that will get any newbie flamed for not using it, talk about one way to turn people off to FreeBSD quickly. -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 31 02:43:14 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC032FF8C4 for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 02:43:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x133.google.com (mail-il1-x133.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::133]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49ZN012PLRz4Bb4 for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 02:43:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x133.google.com with SMTP id v11so6252138ilh.1 for ; Sat, 30 May 2020 19:43:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=AOwKIualcgkGXGU7csDzm/p7Y57q/QIS9ptIy89gIc0=; b=bx01/RXGP8N1ZtUKWA47oE1A0VxSfoHLqTNr0991pEgxvbbd33CCyk9S4LcDnOcR8N IOH7yHW7sUdhIDmf+53sUdZNP34OzJpH4yp/62v7qqXuVvOOjsoBoZdnQZ26t4HAHPxo dVljbfQ3BcdMK3wvL16X3WTbVKAk0NBOMr6qBDLvX6uJrvzW5K+aTZe6w4Lxc1rBEF3V 6Yd1LGJOYUJSGX5gP+HByj1vFbsXolgonVs/IQFJwAOj3yJ28XtHR4dgLDVFtkXU0MBz ciGJeUCoxt22rQiT5uNM3/35Dj9XinSEQMJsGz+iz75xSRKbs8Npobly35gr+6I137pQ vedA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AOwKIualcgkGXGU7csDzm/p7Y57q/QIS9ptIy89gIc0=; b=Ei17ZkZU+atC1MXbbW1C3svTj7bvE9skBS1jH/+7rHaugMHiQ5bP9URPQ0tqP9k5Ve neyTpkZW/Kp0/ADKM2Ah1cYLrx3Qt6JJMtdTQJoSyzMHmk5VTThYj0yrYbyj2FWZnVJs jeq8yZIT4TsYSm80ARM6LCTOybZBkrPdfD0MEspjaHjc59viC0JeHnvSHAjyRHRpbO1U 0Xy4nOlZ9N8nXE30rctcSuD8Kdy49EASNj2Qh/BOyozH9Zat0B+Jq4S471UpNDhLJHID Ed0AfRhp8fjIkEuP09JdA0VsTL3tkr7xT9WhG2qh7qdwVwGlae1WBCQE5zLGJbHefitL omsQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530+4x5G/QV7fbu+YoIVFqq1hZsJPcj2hLM5yRXuGg4M5+HynjpH iLF8VLmomFMdMmwQ3YYT0m+BBIl6CU4aU35gg4Gv4Jug X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxIf9SlWu1f+IOi6VXE/EwRxMj+RW8TeT3Wzf0PF/FdsqAwUBIN7coQZRcN7bqmtqEaeBlCb879n0XnyNfC5JE= X-Received: by 2002:a92:cf48:: with SMTP id c8mr14523331ilr.147.1590892992076; Sat, 30 May 2020 19:43:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a4f:6cf:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 30 May 2020 19:43:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20200531034210.ed0ddc30.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20200531034210.ed0ddc30.freebsd@edvax.de> From: David Mehler Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 22:43:11 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: rsync counts not identical To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49ZN012PLRz4Bb4 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=bx01/RXG; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of davemehler@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::133 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=davemehler@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.06 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.993]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.006]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::133:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.06)[-1.061]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 02:43:14 -0000 Hello, Thanks, I did a du -sh on both source and destination directories. Thanks. Dave. On 5/30/20, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 30 May 2020 21:11:49 -0400, David Mehler wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I'm using rsync on two FreeBSD servers to send files and subfolders >> from one to the other. The command I'm using is rsync -avz >> /path/of/first/system/folder/ /path/of/second/system/folder/ >> >> The first set of files/folders is on a ufs disk, the second on a zfs >> volume, differences in sizes are 13 to 20MB differences between the >> source and destination. Is this normal? > > How have the sizes been measured? > > Is it possible that some symlinks or hardlinks have been > "resolved" in some undesired way? > > > > > PS. > > Technically correct term is "directory"; a "folder" is the name > of an icon representing (!) a directory. ;-) > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 31 03:11:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D146D328535 for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 03:11:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic301-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic301-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.176.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49ZNct3bTwz4DgS for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 03:11:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: EdQzV2sVM1lSwkgXsmTpz08AL9J_Y5QgTWbCBqSbtJSAGcuAxYaOirCdzNjiSxS 7ALIOBJJriLbyGwqXXfoPsrodJ2dEBnSCqo5DOZdwE_ypE7ry9x5fp_7TdlAeaQf0s8JlN9t19UN 32BwWy8NpYU1IOajBA22Z08_qx8QxFCzF3QoZS8Y6RqV68wdF84HBRCF2H.hAkRvOaJAf2TsN4qE voDl4XtVPh7_wbSiH4rv82xz8iondbgo6jpO4caiTBnE3mpLldNHsMG_TDgSWmtS7MDf_6AOAGcM VWASvA5SUW2.eELcRj0.Q4Pm_OFBVJIOTyjUX_J1K3FzbULK3OuvvKvMGLKIG9reyDjw056pI1Pu 7HcOK8MsmLRPeF4nTxDh6zrSuxF15Gt46kzweLrqHS5Onz1ltMY6ZKHn_bQi2JvQydqVuhfZT2.n o5x2jwpXFZqtO1yXUTgfs4Sl.sjyj6PX8IpyPptHh6P88xggXV8Mk_zGLCebr0lebFZBTGxrEgu5 NX7h6z5ksjZCddvHvdSk3B8z4pnz0EXybwqelVvKIKAff3S7LJwVkgHd3tLJrqnX.vct70yO0EFM fzb2vvS8bLZFL6XDsLph4h4OZYOOv6xT0pkfaoKG35d6NHygouQRnHrxtlhlcjRq0gDIF7skvn4g 0OpbfJ.qlXGpd8CeK8AzbxaTv52yR2gc_lR9KO80xxZhRb8DaILgzuKPIBDh4fRGrnhxRZv2yjI6 VQYvbM3UuDuCHWlBvaQy.d0RRRJHtJ9g9SteJA7tNotwjhxrs6.SSJr6t2hg1gyNzbw9mTxOJsVc 80xffIkQM5ZOGYUHPb3Yhu92BjeVjlHV_V0YwffhBnkP8lt6JpEWJrnrls47L3tOf4iLKKYB5wdT 3ejjQ_MH5EkhOhM_o0RpOQo3rcnmbF3MtebVIXWEo9XH6L4gs4wvhRHp7mqF3nnKewnEWRyCZJFI sSEMsWgmmE8OBmjK4XYuC8XJHP5HAHpm5HmXbLQ8.1rnAPjNpJOxhEUp1hIEcuBPMM2K5wZDoZU4 5qSXP.dpZe9aQGNIFhYvyuoVjWuFLtDD0uRRMiODxiry.PIPfK844ivXxFG0PDqnhRzyecbYGGxd mr0M3a6UEF9VbuRpYxOCwxzeyzfmDoV2B9nnL8skXsLgBmKHMVLNS4RC0f9Cf12no4wjJxV2tnWy KHRp2MSJzefFKKCRuGQqoT3ozFDSaCTvARNU9u4ksyuTuP0qFMMYddj4JJ3wjnfbBYEPSJUfqycw jSP.EamUmRPUHYcpRG_6B7K11qT2aoBSKUs1EtOwhWvZXp.3g3Qp05TAV.3STnMAU23kLG3HHpOY tcmIYCTaFj_LHGHRTnE0Gu0oClBLY7scwi1Yf.eYyhqNpJSEHqjG.KN6QCgv7JJ9RoWn84UPvtGN m6cZzcbA- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic301.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 31 May 2020 03:11:39 +0000 Received: by smtp405.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 761cb5acbc5639d6bd20680d6e69f439; Sun, 31 May 2020 03:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 05:11:39 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Cert Message-ID: <20200531051139.56914db2@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <626d9ab4-b00b-6112-8697-ea972eceb5b2@heuristicsystems.com.au> <8696720e-3c03-8ffa-6b2c-4c4c98772a49@FreeBSD.org> <20200531005421.8f845320.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200531034231.5a6a7092@archlinux> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49ZNct3bTwz4DgS X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.07 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.013]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[77.238.176.97:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.66)[-0.657]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.91)[-0.912]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[77.238.176.97:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 03:11:44 -0000 On Sat, 30 May 2020 22:16:42 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 9:42 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> I don't know if the hanbook mentions the following, too. Often it's >> wiser to get in touch with upstream, to ask them to fix an issue, >> than to fix an issue by a FreeBSD port (or any other operating >> system's repository). > >Depends on how active the upstream is and how critical the fix is. Full acknowledge >How does maintaining a wiki in and upon itself help any community? Man(ual) pages are sometimes incomplete and even if they are complete they seldom provide hints, to e.g. understand pitfalls. Keep in mind something simple such as globbing. Information about stdout, stderr... Good software without a manual at all. Pitfalls such as immutable files, that a user even with root privileges can't remove, due to set attributes. Pitfalls such as sudo echo "1234" > test returns "Permission denied". Beginners usually need a hint, that sudo applies to echo, not to the redirection, so a Wiki might inform about tee: echo "1234" | sudo tee test >Just a general comment on the "no top posting" "rule" that FreeBSD has >no one else has such a rule and many mail clients do top posting by >default and make interleaving non-trivial (such OP's it appears). >Additionally there is enough top posting being done on today's >Internet that everyone should be familiar with it and know how to read >it in context. So we might want to recommend interleaving but it >should not be some rule set in stone that will get any newbie flamed >for not using it, talk about one way to turn people off to FreeBSD >quickly. In addition to ignoring bottom posting subscribers might want to send HTML text only, break lines of posted terminal output, recursively quote signatures or way more fun, keep the complete digest text. How many rules could be ignored before communication becomes impossible? Confusing the subject with the mail's body, breaking threads? Actually it's possible to move the cursor and to delete content when using any mail client. A lot users don't write a new mail, they push a reply button, replace the subject and the body, so their "new" thread actually is a reply to another thread. Moving the cursor and deleting works when doing this, but not for bottom or interleaved posting? Btw. even replying to digest emails does not need to break threading and the subject: http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node28.html Sometimes I'm using iPad Mail, a disgusting mailer, but it's still possible to move the cursor and edit a reply. Almost all mailing lists have got similar etiquettes for good reasons, not just the FreeBSD and Linux mailing lists, also mailing lists of upstream providing software for FreeBSD and/or Linux and even philosophers or scientists mailing lists tend to follow those rules. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 31 03:12:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B4832862B for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 03:12:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "holgerdanske.com", Issuer "holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49ZNdb1stGz4Dqs for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 03:12:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Sat, 30 May 2020 20:12:09 -0700 Subject: Re: rsync counts not identical To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200531034210.ed0ddc30.freebsd@edvax.de> From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 20:12:08 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49ZNdb1stGz4Dqs X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.31 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.75)[0.751]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.95)[0.951]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.71)[0.710]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 03:12:21 -0000 > On 5/30/20, Polytropon wrote: >> On Sat, 30 May 2020 21:11:49 -0400, David Mehler wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I'm using rsync on two FreeBSD servers to send files and >>> subfolders from one to the other. The command I'm using is rsync -avz /path/of/first/system/folder/ /path/of/second/system/folder/ >>> The first set of files/folders is on a ufs disk, the second on a >>> zfs volume, differences in sizes are 13 to 20MB differences >>> between the source and destination. Is this normal? >> >> How have the sizes been measured? >> >> Is it possible that some symlinks or hardlinks have been "resolved" >> in some undesired way? On 2020-05-30 19:43, David Mehler wrote: > Thanks, I did a du -sh > on both source and destination directories. Your rsync(1) command is not deleting files on the destination that do not exist on the source. See the various '--delete' options. You might have leftover files or directories on the destination that do not exist on the source. Your du(1) command is displaying disk usage, not apparent size. See the '-A' option. It is unlikely that UFS and ZFS will use the exact same amount of disk space for the same content. David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 31 03:56:13 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7B532A1CE for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 03:56:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic313-22.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic313-22.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.179.189]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49ZPcD0jPQz4JwJ for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 03:56:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: Rx_U8asVM1nLsduf_mSSi4k6b64CoqAiR3wT0Iw.fA78RIbcYLnzMeDge7GInvv ayJ0LQxQXQ8P5r1nutE7CkXG5fEEK4fwdN_8uyZD86XpIa039hwxJqRDgddYEfBiq7S02fgo8fcY SO5_BaoSfyCl3b6LxA3NlBCBz9Q1XKYlEBj8UUQnTVAtzZZEaenTvFmVvORIIPDpUMV11QS5CXVO EROt.75HvKTxbURQE74AV_YxS5B3u5gPYNEGk1tDboiPa5Vtc3xbFEMjs2u6zfQLJNkJ0LK_.nfY dkcdfm1cAXTmmuuJc9L11JJhNmfar4mTJbgG3Vfrfdr.6x5DA2txul0uIn.5bN0O657vRPqG.HhE 3toLX97_kh.be6yr3KFdD7F0PBv1Hth1jMEFjHnhv.ath6SnKN4kMTApmg3buvZQ_VTD7ZjXZ9ZV xVItqkCVPzrGf21UuBkkso6dkTrM26JOWMw0Bc0e55VK0VErIZC5ToaKZ_RIhuYMOQXEdJPtaah0 MnHmjuGVcE_YNzSLDGTf1rO7vRb64kZ6ihQnvFutBPo9.bKxo3QniIkMxnTfW7rWs7N0fqsf.rF6 apKOnLF3vxGpobF3SJJqj2V_Ar9gX1pX0hHv9pGbE2fCCE4mpih_mjW6E2wueXv.WTABZcHpUpWK BFAOLRvAKfIpuMEtXg2knHcQkpm1CT.uMjzgg.FqpjdVW2vZbjQ3RZnL9FegnbiwuY6W6EQ5e5D5 f.pChmLNX_McEJ9CwK8PcaR_bjb96UFp6IUemN7CXEINCuaDM..XrkcnjUUb0MR8PRRznS_YJ7ko Z14PChbU4eaV_1G6JedxvZI0Gk5282zhhK8U3KxoKfU3aha3EaQwn6YUeGmK2dsJZtiKPR92HuZv lNUPUNoTZxFI7IqliCViAXVK_U0UXjJCwdRGp0k6.7NwkcsTe6LVuVdcfxj3DrT4vEcgyfwAYXAa fNwQzPPrtWL27B2qzqQQcf0CoN29A1EsYIc1IlkocvJeXFP4giE.cNozf0DiLOBQHMwSC6uCMsLT 7e.kp.vEJDsDvEXsklXDMFPdXy12OaWXDW8BGaTH7xAuvx3v8E.XUZ_5zzVBsAGfovwVbjwBztE5 zRwF_Mdq6TZU4o9fBHF92xTs76qSn2k4fsUjpG4QqC9nMVBzUfD0_35x96OVj.UXzlis1q4P4Lch .mGDZgoCRG_1oMNNBx6aWGIxdRhZ8WAOB30xY8oqKrUx6_BR84p4IvSp8vUZqBxS8_FJwzm2r2bU QzmCAWIbv1_ZrI322vxPBx2w8cAuOnsApzzo.p26KddD02GuPYts8Oy5pPtaqIGS6duDHezhJa1u UOUoSzmCCovcS_q5nRrpI72_hRQWwGu9dvnMP.zWAm4ESft9DJV2vXl4auUVkNa_y6PVu2r_2sx1 o9NkAYtk- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic313.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 31 May 2020 03:56:09 +0000 Received: by smtp425.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 92be201810b8b93453be097813f27059; Sun, 31 May 2020 03:56:04 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 05:56:07 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Cert Message-ID: <20200531055607.1195536a@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20200531024452.GA82377@neutralgood.org> References: <626d9ab4-b00b-6112-8697-ea972eceb5b2@heuristicsystems.com.au> <8696720e-3c03-8ffa-6b2c-4c4c98772a49@FreeBSD.org> <20200531005421.8f845320.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200531033852.9c345a6b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200531024452.GA82377@neutralgood.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49ZPcD0jPQz4JwJ X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.09 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.003]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[77.238.179.189:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.70)[-0.696]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.90)[-0.904]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[77.238.179.189:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 03:56:13 -0000 On Sat, 30 May 2020 22:44:52 -0400, Kevin P. Neal wrote: >Lawyers are mercenaries. They work in the best interest of whoever is >paying them. Actually I'm not paying my lawyer. Since my Money Bins are usually not that much filled as averaged Money Bins are, she gets the money from the German nation. She represents my interests against German government agencies successfully, we always won. IOW it depends on the system, as well as on the world view of the layer. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 31 12:22:07 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAEA3333E5A for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 12:22:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Zcqy2gtcz426X for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 12:22:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.46.193]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N3Kc6-1iwinc0qbS-010IhA; Sun, 31 May 2020 14:21:58 +0200 Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 14:21:57 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: Ralf Mardorf , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: FreeBSD Cert Message-Id: <20200531142157.fdaf5e10.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <626d9ab4-b00b-6112-8697-ea972eceb5b2@heuristicsystems.com.au> <8696720e-3c03-8ffa-6b2c-4c4c98772a49@FreeBSD.org> <20200531005421.8f845320.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200531034231.5a6a7092@archlinux> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:kWxQYcSrqjEP+AgfXAcqfONOo01bomcEQCF0kj+DkBus6u3A4ZV 3dMp5rxZqmpFbLL6DDzK5YGGkoQAOxKSx+Buoy5u0LFLEq9XgPPkM72G+PJeNMyDib3tWcL TancLLYQ82Vp+eOUA7X05HYfCk5dOkGYoDip3OJtrwcMMRuvY3/nebZu0TawNEO6/JjE9Up CcaWW6hnli18klu95UkJw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:isGnuCNmasw=:+vJsItBJiw5R/UOYzVMPCg GoRnm3nFZW/ogT5Pmn1I/Oc1iLQ1tdAs+h6DToH8Ul7Q2Oxkn+K5Q2yFcrBU8J1DQP2emc4X+ Q47fF1chragyhwAb62Nv6L/qRLUZiXFQbb99y2tOmCvYy4366ynSWNBHFVW9VOBWYpnsViokj fdrCsTFIq+cV1F2WZz9paPzT4Y9/we/Qwp3ebsZ+fhP9Xha3BSV9+EXn+R+AKODNHJfcO2DLj LPY/c8gCidNhFkqMfjmZ8j5EXspxlJXS+j8zXnaiTZl254hJE7jh1yr+ZLW42jxgWVKaXcPnB QQQi07dqpZNIiyKq5UMJNeEOQHPr7CPib5IFg0raVehX4sdohhMdBIiKh7TvEKvlQFyU8rp0P OrlyGQ/E7YIsAlv0e994yJufNiDa733l9+APxRwdw+FTaFGfxrT+BcIpS7T1W2uYiaRWqi9t1 wl6HMHchNuOp710yqCSlzhP7zwd+A2ADsJZ6GMtlEoHt90PA677M1mowpl+dhQSh5MbC5XUx5 FEDEce+7drbnArXsXMX94RPXAZ2LzKjT8hEoEZIFylXdIyoYr3/7L2Boa4eagky12H4m8z7kD 2a5dPFbHbwzpsLNMUFl+PrXQrbcy+u8tYt0cbGCl3pLJwSXdpE7jvmdgCn4bEWxJxnp6hpJsj QbCGdzLsbnpyL5dr3PQwAAiTeZxwyWPJrTb0KEJHO+a2Tc2G0x7pc/46H0Q1seqmhHy5VjX3k Jpbbl1qHv8RfEYDCumnitM4jGBfDG7uuZI+7Zitsvf96DrK0LhnyFPKVh2LOolXgrECMwqlmQ RzItnWAM7V+S6MKurGYr0U526MxTW6a/rDakHjncL5ToqITBPrP3VYSYs80+EMOzSSPXhYp X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Zcqy2gtcz426X X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.187) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.06 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.12.46.193:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.06)[0.060]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.04)[0.040]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.56)[0.563]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.187:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.187:from]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[rocketmail.com,freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 12:22:07 -0000 Allow me to comment on just one aspect of your message: On Sat, 30 May 2020 22:16:42 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > Just a general comment on the "no top posting" "rule" that FreeBSD has no > one else has such a rule [...] It's not a rule, it's a recommendation, and there are valid reasons for this. In many cases, mailing list archives serve as a reference, and therefore it's helpful to be able to get the desired information from "the final message" which still contains the initial problem description. Less complex things surely can be discussed in a top-posting manner, but more complex things, especially those that discuss _more than one_ thing in _one_ message, really benefit from inline posting. And as you can see from my current message, I can even write something at the top, but not the statement that refers to what you said at the bottom of your message I am replying to. :-) > [...] and many mail clients do top posting by default > and make interleaving non-trivial (such OP's it appears). You say this as if it was something good... ;-) > Additionally > there is enough top posting being done on today's Internet that everyone > should be familiar with it and know how to read it in context. As I said, it's more _complex_ to read top-posted messages, especially those that do not contain reply headers and reply indentation. The "who said what" question cannot be answered easily, and you cannot easily follow a discusstion _thread_ with top posting. Others say it's unnatural, and just because some half-baked MUA started with top-posting as a default, it didn't improve anything. I'd like to leave those here: A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Souce: http://www.idallen.com/topposting.html And: A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? I don't have a specific source for that one, sorry. > So we > might want to recommend interleaving but it should not be some rule set in > stone that will get any newbie flamed for not using it, talk about one way > to turn people off to FreeBSD quickly. As you can see from the mailing list archives, it is not a rule, and it does not prevent users from posting to the list, or from receiving helpful answers. It's just a common consensus, a thing that you can find in many communities, contexts, and companies: Some use tabs, some use spaces; some use 4 spaces, others 2, and others 8. Some use PascalCase, others use_the_underscores, and others typical camelCase. And where does the { have to be put? Depending on already existing suggestions, recommendations and standards ("rules"), if you enter a specific context, it's usually helpful if you try to adapt to the existing consensus of how to do certain things. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 31 14:04:48 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E3E335971 for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 14:04:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49Zg6R2XgGz491m for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 14:04:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.113] (unknown [172.58.140.241]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8916B4E65A for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 09:04:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: FreeBSD Cert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <626d9ab4-b00b-6112-8697-ea972eceb5b2@heuristicsystems.com.au> <8696720e-3c03-8ffa-6b2c-4c4c98772a49@FreeBSD.org> <20200531005421.8f845320.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200531033852.9c345a6b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200531024452.GA82377@neutralgood.org> <20200531055607.1195536a@archlinux> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 09:04:40 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200531055607.1195536a@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Zg6R2XgGz491m X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.07 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.140.241:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.07)[0.071]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.97)[0.967]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.93)[0.932]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 14:04:48 -0000 On 5/30/20 10:56 PM, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Sat, 30 May 2020 22:44:52 -0400, Kevin P. Neal wrote: >> Lawyers are mercenaries. They work in the best interest of whoever is >> paying them. > > Actually I'm not paying my lawyer. Since my Money Bins are usually > not that much filled as averaged Money Bins are, she gets the money from > the German nation. She represents my interests against German government > agencies successfully, we always won. IOW it depends on the system, as > well as on the world view of the layer. This is amazing thing: the government pays your lawyer to defend you from actions of the government. Amazingly unselfish government. In my word it is always the fight of interests. The government is as selfish as people are, thus does all to perpetuate itself (and the people in command), thus it works tirelessly to grab away people's freedoms, and the people (some of them) are fighting back attempting to give up as little of freedoms as possible. Gradually loosing. This is what I observe looking around, and this is confirmed (for me) by the fact that tyranny (dictatorship) is the most stable form of the government. Valeri > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 31 14:53:37 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67CB6336CB4 for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 14:53:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic307-54.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic307-54.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [87.248.110.31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49ZhBk5Wbyz4Dbq for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 14:53:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: 3Yq93V4VM1nd5951tughw3S4rwOx0lTLII9IwKrzjk6BvbQEs_YYQHfP9l2tUMo 44aAeq0KYwT7iV24zu0gJ5ltp8_vGI_sk5E3wTlxyCAIq6lYYSr4qIza11UcUuAJlKakUWmKYw_e kFsz3nTxui.0E.eCapjLrkE4gzppOdwqaHVaLs7PUTeZRvTHsRSdMBjvnt6iJiqzVsEw4sH1ABwT _eZZsnSHrXihWA66AAnCNIBp1GhDecQiY5GGnEGKtf05Uj_mlDRenfKZzrHBQt_kYY6KgMACM0qx 4g82NVjiiqYoV4DcpHwyxUMz57AH7CMJNkpHgPPFrC89CO9iDynyFyZrnN0_VFspPKf2jsrNYKxV usBW508htIC9Q.XwlHk.GWzSaoWkjuiAeCzCsf_bI0_KCEXWd8ICApks87fVcG9lqD9mKDfXCFlQ 5rU4NKDmxnTnV3DLt5C2DXItC2OIoSTXiTvFdw8hUU1VeSgtgv_k5MeqE_Uq0f6zCyHz.iBVKVPG D3rsHgoFvZNfL9VybLr7F8ZOKOdJ.ZF2JovWPVKCqVCnAdhOBvv2PshpmZkvhfq1fx4AsTS0Lsmg tSEOEydKWGQQC3goDTE2GIb_I2oL85m_BFW12eOwB6f2dAUOUpYWdDAIBjjASTnmrWydFzYLHshC tfNVZiVK1MDUuK32UZzqP4Q2AJ7vgB0g6vxL0XLQgVNHyRf_kcL4GM4GQQwP.HVp9RcDpVukajLP .dMijFxkVzhUXzEOAVa2jrNWAkRZuUH097NQr9h0Vu3bsM1hOMIz97zzIUothZS8EDU1n5GpTrMe kwbxTJ3CVH0AcWpmdc9oWC87HhecOSGO.i9A7ZL4PdQuPp2NMRTxnF_CUkYJ0VClx2QOklgiceqU HoDh7q_rQ6qLTQy5bQIPsqp90i52z.2_Z3iOhX5UmrS.w8XA6_A2YEldijtfWkeEA9tgRqqQClUq Tttoir6_6SV.3.pQrwXSW4xYKQw8_HGHJ5G9_VwkO4LysTYzDP_HXROomXE1fruUpnzA_Su2hi0_ fRwvZZQ9NNQUTlf3PXkLjx_jzgYwyfSAXxHhID01zv0tevRPJipGD16o2yA5ZcoELq1whR3xhgaX YH5kizmEiCQdh4BzibHECdcUlNqm0.GmOx4JzoSaGys8V.qejgaD8JhHQIMNN4RiD3RTr3gnKi4M ZoqpRf86VheAgMdWwtu.wK13EvekNeh36k377bxV8oI8VBiSW20wqjhz83.BhXwUu0SDwQwh1Svt 3LWqPieV4K9nNQ9Qy6y6JAg8Bq_5va5h6WKS47yXNzDSHdGjkPRvjxjDMZVlMI9s.2yuZC4dn1By 7kcabl_S0Gp_SqtwmKxi2j_SKKTsZvHSUOxSd6IbpFK7Rk9o6vmr5SN2NkJXuq01Hjj3e8SxBw1. AD.Zw2CFRmGwH9w-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic307.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 31 May 2020 14:53:32 +0000 Received: by smtp411.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 4bdb01775f2ea98711e9fd86c7d76eeb; Sun, 31 May 2020 14:53:30 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 16:53:30 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Cert Message-ID: <20200531165330.169b480f@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <626d9ab4-b00b-6112-8697-ea972eceb5b2@heuristicsystems.com.au> <8696720e-3c03-8ffa-6b2c-4c4c98772a49@FreeBSD.org> <20200531005421.8f845320.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200531033852.9c345a6b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200531024452.GA82377@neutralgood.org> <20200531055607.1195536a@archlinux> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49ZhBk5Wbyz4Dbq X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.81 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.04)[-1.042]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[87.248.110.31:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.23)[-0.234]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.05)[-1.046]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:87.248.110.0/24, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[87.248.110.31:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 14:53:37 -0000 On Sun, 31 May 2020 09:04:40 -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >On 5/30/20 10:56 PM, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: >> On Sat, 30 May 2020 22:44:52 -0400, Kevin P. Neal wrote: =20 >>> Lawyers are mercenaries. They work in the best interest of whoever >>> is paying them. =20 >>=20 >> Actually I'm not paying my lawyer. Since my Money Bins are usually >> not that much filled as averaged Money Bins are, she gets the money >> from the German nation. She represents my interests against German >> government agencies successfully, we always won. IOW it depends on >> the system, as well as on the world view of the layer. =20 > >This is amazing thing: the government pays your lawyer to defend you=20 >from actions of the government. Amazingly unselfish government. > >In my word it is always the fight of interests. The government is as=20 >selfish as people are, thus does all to perpetuate itself (and the=20 >people in command), thus it works tirelessly to grab away people's=20 >freedoms, and the people (some of them) are fighting back attempting >to give up as little of freedoms as possible. Gradually loosing. This >is what I observe looking around, and this is confirmed (for me) by >the fact that tyranny (dictatorship) is the most stable form of the >government. It's called "Beratungshilfe" and we can make use of it for more or less everything, usually to solve issues with landlords, employment law, social legislation, IOW more essential things, than disputes about ordered T-shirts. Actually we usually need to pay 15,-=E2=82=AC, probably to avoid misuse of "Beratungshilfe" for bagatelles. https://www.linguee.com/german-english/translation/beratungshilfe.html https://www.ag-oberhausen.nrw.de/aufgaben/abteilungen/Beratungshilfe/index.= php I guess at least a "Pflichtverteidiger" for criminal trials https://www.dict.cc/?s=3Dpflichtverteidiger is also known in a lot of other countries, even if somebody is guilty of setting a government agency on fire. OTOH in Germany we don't have class actions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_action#Germany https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammelklage#Deutschland Apart from this consumer centers are not allowed to help against all kinds of companies. The German law has got pros and cons. Rich and famous people enjoy privileges, a well know example is Uli Hoene=C3=9F, the former president of German football club Bayern Munich. 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To: Polytropon Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49ZhvF4JSPz4GcN X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsd.com.br header.s=capeta header.b=M93Bca62; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lobo@bsd.com.br designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lobo@bsd.com.br X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.98 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsd.com.br:s=capeta]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.09)[-1.088]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.984]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsd.com.br]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsd.com.br:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2b:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.40)[-0.405]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 15:25:15 -0000 On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 4:09 PM Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 29 May 2020 11:09:51 -0300, Mario Lobo wrote: > > The realtek mic doesn't work. I tried everything I could. The microphone > > sound goes out to the speakers, apps (firefox) detect a mic but its input > > doesn't go back into the system. So I wanted to switch the recording > source > > pcm6, so: > > > > sysctl hw.snd.default_unit=6 > > > > which yields this: > > > > mixer > > Mixer mic is currently set to 95:95 > > > > i.e., I won't be able to hear a damn thing, and applications won't > detect a > > mic. > > I had a comparable problem (not "mic not found", but "mic-through > can be heared, but it doesn't record anything, in no program"). > The solution was to set the gain mixer channels (igain, ogain) > to 100, and then it worked; maybe 0...99 = off, 100 = on? ;-) > > So maybe try setting all related channels to 100 first and then > see if you can reduce the level. In worst case, attach an external > hardware mixer to get better level control (which is what I'm doing > at the moment). > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > Thanks for the reply, Poly. Tested with this: Mixer vol is currently set to 84:84 Mixer pcm is currently set to 96:96 Mixer speaker is currently set to 85:85 Mixer line is currently set to 20:20 Mixer mic is currently set to 100:100 Mixer mix is currently set to 94:94 * Mixer rec is currently set to 100:100 * Mixer igain is currently set to 100:100 Mixer ogain is currently set to 100:100 Recording source: mic On these sites: https://webcammictest.com/check-mic.html https://www.onlinemictest.com/ Firefox finds the mic but no input back in Chromium doesn't even find the mic. The webcam works on both. Audacity doesn't record anything from the mic. Thanks for trying. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 31 16:10:45 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15193384DC for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 16:10:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Zjvm4r59z4KrT for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 16:10:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [80.187.82.30] (helo=[172.20.10.4]) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jfQXp-0007Xd-Tr for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 31 May 2020 18:10:41 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Subject: IMAP && Server certificate has expired Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 18:10:40 +0200 User-Agent: Dekko/0.6.20; Qt/5.4.1; ubuntumirclient; Linux; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5e1a71cd-6837-47f1-b485-c583550db48a@unixarea.de> In-Reply-To: <20200531132051.GA7974@c720-r342378> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 80.187.82.30 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Zjvm4r59z4KrT X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of guru@unixarea.de has no SPF policy when checking 178.254.4.101) smtp.mailfrom=guru@unixarea.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.61 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.81)[0.807]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[unixarea.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[178.254.4.101:from]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.99)[0.986]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.01)[1.014]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[178.254.4.101:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42730, ipnet:178.254.4.0/24, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 16:10:45 -0000 Hello, When I connect with the MUA mutt directly with IMAP to my ISP with: $ mutt -f imap://imap.1blu.de:143/ I get since some hours: Server certificate has expired and the cert presented gives the information below. I can overcome the situation with 'set ssl_verify_dates=3Dno' in .muttrc, but I'm wondering what should I tell to my ISP as no information about his server (1blu.de) shows up in the expired certificate. Or is this because something on my OpenSSL installation expired? FreeBSD is an older CURRENT from January 2019 and ports of the same time. Any ideas? =09matthias >=20 >=20 > This certificate belongs to: > AddTrust External CA Root > Unknown > AddTrust AB > AddTrust External TTP Network > Unknown > Unknown > SE >=20 > This certificate was issued by: > AddTrust External CA Root > Unknown > AddTrust AB > AddTrust External TTP Network > Unknown > Unknown > SE >=20 > This certificate is valid > from May 30 10:48:38 2000 GMT > to May 30 10:48:38 2020 GMT >=20 > SHA1 Fingerprint: 02FA F3E2 9143 5468 6078 5769 4DF5 E45B 6885 1868 > SHA256 Fingerprint: 687F A451 3822 78FF F0C8 B11F 8D43 D576 > 671C 6EB2 BCEA B413 FB83 D965 D06D 2FF2 >=20 >=20 --=20 Sent from my Ubuntu phone http://www.unixarea.de/ NO to the EU! NEIN zur EU! 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This causes auto-load ucom, umodem, u3g modules, even though I have removed them by hand. Because of the development steps I need to plug and unplug that device quite often. It would be lovely to be able to blacklist a given set of modules so they does not auto-load on device connect. `module_blacklist` in `loader.conf` does not seem to work at runtime. Is there a simple way to temporarily blacklist given modules? I would prefer not to modify the devd configurations because also I have a u3g modem in my laptop that I would like to use by default. Temporary blacklist should ideally have a precedence over devd. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 31 18:50:57 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E0033DEA7 for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 18:50:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49ZnSb59Dxz3SMd for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 18:50:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 31176 invoked from network); 31 May 2020 18:50:48 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=79c6.5ed3fc88.k2005; bh=7hcc4F9WbV9M7v8Vkr5iNP82Bh6STYzrYO/Ao3ztclA=; b=wYAyu/Lx6vkL4Fjz8RNDM8zYmSt5N1Ek9D8iQ3ZZsS1QcPprSMhjPw9/923l8ctiG5QrdzrEIylsww6+qmykEWNjzz5Yv39KhL3VB/oHvPzcwXT8Z7cCx4epG0AtZWuoMA2E/UTuaJYCiiQiofisaRDU/nC5t4zsmvggyG7n9Yuk8rHQKE2aVf1/SpXJh6jcgbbFI4ioMy7FoyMYzvNu4pkc84vDTWTee3CRk50/kgQoHbjW+joGYhiaNATer3b0 Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTP via TCP6; 31 May 2020 18:50:48 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 41BB119ECF73; Sun, 31 May 2020 14:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: 31 May 2020 14:50:47 -0400 Message-Id: <20200531185048.41BB119ECF73@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: guru@unixarea.de Subject: Re: IMAP && Server certificate has expired In-Reply-To: <20200531180822.GA10779@c720-r342378> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49ZnSb59Dxz3SMd X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=iecc.com header.s=79c6.5ed3fc88.k2005 header.b=wYAyu/Lx; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=iecc.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of johnl@iecc.com designates 2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=johnl@iecc.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.21 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.06)[-1.064]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[iecc.com:s=79c6.5ed3fc88.k2005]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[iecc.com:dkim]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:470:1f07:1126::/64]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.987]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[iecc.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[iecc.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.66)[-0.661]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 18:50:57 -0000 In article <20200531180822.GA10779@c720-r342378> you write: >El día domingo, mayo 31, 2020 a las 06:11:44p. m. +0100, Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions escribió: > >> On Sun, 31 May 2020 at 17:10, Matthias Apitz wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Hello, >> > >> > When I connect with the MUA mutt directly with IMAP to my ISP with: >> > >> > $ mutt -f imap://imap.1blu.de:143/ >> > >> >> Have you tried port 993? Try it yourself, same response. The cert on this server uses a Comodo intermediate certificate issued 20 years ago that expired yesterday. >but I don't know if I've to fix this locally or the ISP. It's the ISP's certificate, only they can get a new one. The sensible thing for them to do is to get a free cert from Let's Encrypt and set up your scripts to renew it automatically as needed, generally ever 90 days. That's what I do on my mail servers. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 31 19:41:10 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3724933EFAC for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 19:41:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.75]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49ZpZX4kN0z3Wpj for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 19:41:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.46.193]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue106 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MEFCF-1jnUil1GvV-00ADzS for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 21:41:06 +0200 Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 21:41:05 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Keyboard and mouse not working after X update Message-Id: <20200531214105.2caed717.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:A84m2uBGJDDGPUM8OdrTMp28jSiKnIThsa21t5mAR76nfPQUZ2I p0UyslP8XvbfL1Sfne/VSZfDszuPSpbNeJee/DrxzIICG2aOd8rzPv85lkcRc0RT9kLmTHx E0Kvzyt5PQ60EWeeATVeZnUhPGoeCNDtW8PG5WYt8BypuK1TK+0t8+SAh53+qnSYIJfwV6e eGYRKA6Gsf4mINqE2bhQQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ztB587apPnM=:KzYWn5qdn7qNXAQToN0UEa rj/6Mmpx1vfzd6ObXec/xZAPjFUzERbLdZt4oh3F84bzGJ+o+o/RDQSguhbWHXxoJI2l9mNVl cTHkBDvLy9wcFyHfiHCCdSXr/Jf98S9XD04N5EDlG/khwkFLkNlWk2JObBiADQvLkUlgFg9Mv 4DAL9JYt5hklQn/zFofgWMYCQpDCTX0DHYA8EJc0WKDdF8bUVOjcI1Oin2B6CFxZJ6/Ot86Og YSaZ/qw2RrAvBCPLlMcwaqtzg7PA+kae7p83537+GKpHjaE7G7sFro7M+khyazlXfWzqHVaGD 7oIAz72nerYwVCCHG/RYJGrGHoKlHAHBwkaikvMstWDPSNhjYwZAoitPtRot7S6XL6iHJE5Up /JC9F/dAXc+ZFwPEB5fwaMQLEt9S6xEMbF3jG7yryfaJF8C4EwblbE078s+CC0VB9a2sxooGt k2uYpV2g5BjYcJFGQ/6bPn4B9lmgMBjtgjDV1wcfvouBdCMMVRScWn25IdvLpkFmLdFpK/Z57 8jiBdeU/jYbaTT5NUjz322OFnW67MrnOraOOwwgTh2jLbbEhjV94kTKgQE7Mh1R1PUB456Tnw 4hZz7aQoCGtGprCSd3OJPJPHrNNjM5vGOhyUL0OxxY3CgixZqk0lWp4ZhENjs2dXp7+dXNBMv F4HGhN7EAx+4+nWRjxOYA+mgiJ299ED7RDIv8S7gNEex6sIPCwUXo31PalPI/UPxGiSxyKf4+ P4GQTWYZ2fEX4jS79KLNrg38r2MvzPdxivOtxQOCGUc8hzjg2PT1jrd69nw+0FUZEsnBkngFB PII3BDsgpTU3HIj1+NQwutSQFU6VTy/c0B78eG82StlVb6nFbKkp1FsnT9OsalbjsXdPlNt X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49ZpZX4kN0z3Wpj X-Spamd-Bar: +++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.72.192.75) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.30 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.12.46.193:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.97)[0.966]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.91)[0.907]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.02)[1.025]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[217.72.192.75:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[217.72.192.75:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 19:41:10 -0000 I have upgraded today a HP Pavilion DM-1 laptop (from 2011), and without any surprise, the OS upgrade went as expected, but on the application side, there are problems. The upgrade process has been performed as per the handbook, from 12.0-p? to 12.1-p5. I also reinstalled all software via pkg. Problem: In X, the mouse is no longer working. The keyboard seemed to be stuck; I added a "xterm &" to ~/.xinitrc to see something entirely new: When pressing any key, garbage appears inside the terminal, it changes font size and position on screen. I cannot use Ctrl+Alt+PF1 to get back to vt "text mode", so the only thing I can do is press the power button, and the system will shut down and power off properly. NB: "Keyboard" and "mouse" refer to the laptop's built-in keyboard and mouse. The graphics in this system is: vgapci0@pci0:0:1:0: class=0x030000 card=0x1611103c chip=0x98021002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310]' class = display subclass = VGA I have installed: drm-legacy-kmod-g20200306 for the kernel module, loaded via /etc/rc.conf, as kld_list="/boot/modules/radeonkms.ko" and xf86-video-amdgpu-19.1.0_1 for X. I chose "legacy" because the laptop is almost 10 years old (but still in perfectly fine condition, it even has a new SSD inside). Also there is no xorg.conf file, just two component files in /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d: keyboard-de.conf (to set the german keyboard, worked before), and screen.conf (sets the screen size to the actual hardware size, with the option to change this for an external CRT display if needed). This is exactly as before, when it worked. During boot, I get the following messages: info: [drm] Initialized drm 1.1.0 20060810 drmn0: ======================================================= drmn0: This code is obsolete abandonware. Install the graphics/drm-legacy-kmod pkg drmn0: ======================================================= drmn0: Deprecated code (to be removed in FreeBSD 13): drm2 drivers drmn0: ======================================================= drmn0: This code is obsolete abandonware. Install the graphics/drm-legacy-kmod pkg drmn0: ======================================================= drmn0: Deprecated code (to be removed in FreeBSD 13): drm2 drivers You don't say! That's exactly what I did! In /etc/rc.conf, I have kld_list="/boot/modules/radeonkms.ko" as suggested by the handbook. Further messages: drmn0: on vgapci0 info: [drm] Initialized radeon 2.29.0 20080528 for drmn0 on minor 0 Then, on the display, I can see the X desktop fine, with IceWM, wbar, even the xv-controlled background image appears, and the xterm, in which only garbage appears when I press keys on the keyboard. In /var/log/Xorg.0.log, I get the following message: [ 769.536] (EE) Failed to load module "ati" (module does not exist, 0) So I rebooted and installed xf86-video-ati-19.1.0_3,1 with the result that now the screen goes black. When I press the spacebar (or Enter, or the shift key!), I hear several beeps, and I expect the xterm (which I now cannot see) to fill with garbage as before. Now xf86-video-ati has been deleted. Why did X try to load it? Of course I also have installed ibudev-devd-0.4.1 And I have set kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=6 in /etc/sysctl.conf. The X log file is no big help. It looks as if it loaded VESA (???) even though all required components should now be installed. I'm obviously missing something important here. What could it be? Never touch a running system... ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 31 19:47:24 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF83C33F349 for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 19:47:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wr1-x42b.google.com (mail-wr1-x42b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Zpjl5mPkz3X2R for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 19:47:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wr1-x42b.google.com with SMTP id p5so3458291wrw.9 for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 12:47:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=L46iZzwEHlVzl2xRlB8V3VtVlShyvyYn4HjSyyvqHyE=; b=Q4mIBQ69JIY0zcLOpYvV6aH9lWUD5+D/zhwTIn8F5b958ruB/GLPf8GBu6IvCpU760 7YtSJ+TKxaBnNLeqYN1KPD9gYM7hfi0FqNjOh2ESW0STf/Q5TMOO2/ChcVXxeqXY/X/d P1FcF8QmNdTCRH5HDsTYYFAOdnt7puhz82xuVXM/TsBIQcDmwpn8WzbqYUdz3CsqBy4x 0i2Y7INL+4SKXYmu5kCiF5vvNgoTrb3ysE9OOj80EN2Hwbz3nizJ63iO1YTnP69FzmOw xB2N7bHEI6sSKmQ1HTnWFfE+NyHjHApnCMZSGkAyeCK9oMY7R8sQcTH+osov3OQlLWVo VmYA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=L46iZzwEHlVzl2xRlB8V3VtVlShyvyYn4HjSyyvqHyE=; b=MdB03ORRzrq7Vdx6RX8s7+f9agyyA2emj2zDwqZKNo34EALH+DUJ+tkM/eTxhNwc5j nk5sl1SvJ1rCiR4Ubmljxiq/98v+5tk3y08sSNe3KPMph/MSCMv14MDF2dwbtjz8lnvl i9l2gbuW8dINk1TtjafaMYEHfykbLnWG8wXPl8EiRAF8xzfXPmW2b9mowLbKcGoGYDgO 5Kmi45qWzQ8MMFO8tfQQJk7n2R680TJ9PP4xwY9u8H2n4CcrITZQc8CerpeUNmkMv+yp 7Zm9O21B8qlA0o2IiaPWRtuSXWehwoLqVh83vlOsQNEUhDfMXGkggqIT5xaddZa/qETf 2tSw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5339HdMFN6w7Znty2NAA8IP9xHPWWaiZW+ur9PXJJbnCsOCUY4mf joveuL0qGYD/kruMqm9HK3lzwFIM/Ft2sJRwG8oyM1YY X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwAT4cvKIKcNSyO+2Ypy+4LfL4pT/lAWKl5BeOQDpuKVMOh9Bl57VtgP6X9LqL/tGRjhmsdDP6S7IwGvYvaogo= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6000:1146:: with SMTP id d6mr18222546wrx.400.1590954442115; Sun, 31 May 2020 12:47:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 21:46:46 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: kernel module disable / blacklist To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Zpjl5mPkz3X2R X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=Q4mIBQ69; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::42b) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.86 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.35)[-0.346]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.44)[-0.437]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42b:from]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.22)[0.221]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 19:47:25 -0000 On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 6:22 PM Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > I am creating an embedded system that exposes the serial port over > USB. This causes auto-load ucom, umodem, u3g modules, even though I > have removed them by hand. Because of the development steps I need to > plug and unplug that device quite often. It would be lovely to be able > to blacklist a given set of modules so they does not auto-load on > device connect. `module_blacklist` in `loader.conf` does not seem to > work at runtime. > > Is there a simple way to temporarily blacklist given modules? > > I would prefer not to modify the devd configurations because also I > have a u3g modem in my laptop that I would like to use by default. > Temporary blacklist should ideally have a precedence over devd. `service devd stop` for testing and then `service devd start` did the trick as it was the one loading modules. No need to blacklist a module, sorry, I was curious if there was such option in FreeBSD :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 31 20:22:27 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF5D33F67E for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 20:22:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wr1-x432.google.com (mail-wr1-x432.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::432]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49ZqVB2r5Zz3ZbT for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 20:22:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wr1-x432.google.com with SMTP id x13so9454968wrv.4 for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 13:22:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=8CfVFujI1Z/1pn9WLf0F9VhFWkXS0LFW3WPZjA40ZUg=; b=MJyH4zHBCCuAPQ+DzQP2GpV/NWBOulxNrUYxrXK6LZ7QngsowhqkntIwUuFrSRISfU UtXu7W99GdgfOEjkmUPzgPsNyNl/XQCCWBT3unzU6TPanNy0DrZ0O3JseQDM/1GnQSip IC0bolcu00dbum/H4YaYZ8hrm4L0lbaeRwFRKTkjjOfFtlrqfBqUDxLFLMSLyN6P3WFV f65z1geJQYc79s4z6PyYeJpBqtdg2nCWmgXfSjpglRdX8LntqLXDqLiMpZS2iLikFnrW r/hFonpBHwEw5irOLGdkV9Fi6SdA69JqdCs5Y41gWBWfwgw3Cz1khNhqZ3TnpTZLm3uC EzUA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=8CfVFujI1Z/1pn9WLf0F9VhFWkXS0LFW3WPZjA40ZUg=; b=gQLP/ztAi28L9viu7+TtetXqw4n6Qqx/mgsv3y3652KTmDfpswkF8Yi/WEve0hAc1Q kW5o7a5os37F/zuUtL21qp9t5fWR4VB3p5da5uwjqEyMUZXas/LoeE/xW0Ld6WQdBSgE k35FMKg15TAj4dsWYCAcy0od/bqyBhH3pI1L3NtugHuNFKw6/bpySIL8HMXeAhAHaJTZ aVyBmBdgz4Allse+Hs7T12F6BVvAX10kvwcKrLqe8nNOkVSZkwTjRjzKTb8sKRMAT1UH nZ1DOGqzpPadkztZMClWRGJecuH5loFMKU0q2761eZ9VlIy0/4jQZOUfuVdH3d0hwYLD fPkw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5305VPVaJtjSWGmI04e3WRx0IxYspGXRl54YhBTfBTH27wMot9Ak YShxky0nbI4nW5xWbB2DlI+7Tlwzfr5Ax6l7oDdMHLVQ X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzRUbCPrJJ6fnn0o/bcFUAEtwN4OvZr7KbBqAuW2UxhpHlYS+yDTEwneXdmzk581ZgLF3z3yp+O0nBH4dSnv8o= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:4488:: with SMTP id j8mr18108710wrq.242.1590956544742; Sun, 31 May 2020 13:22:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200531214105.2caed717.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200531214105.2caed717.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 22:21:49 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Keyboard and mouse not working after X update To: Polytropon Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49ZqVB2r5Zz3ZbT X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=MJyH4zHB; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::432) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.65 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.03)[-1.028]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.96)[-0.965]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::432:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.36)[-0.357]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 20:22:27 -0000 Hey Poly :-) There were big changes recently in Xorg and video and input drivers handling in FreeBSD.. those changes mostly come from and are enforced by a Linux world and the hardware vendors.. not really much to be done about it rather than adapt (and the upstream development). I also experienced those problems with video and I also get the impression that input is a bit worse than before.. but it works now.. and if you search the history there are people with similar problems and solutions :-) Another upcoming solution for the Xorg issues may be Wayland on FreeBSD instead of Xorg. There also was quite a large mailing thread for that. You may take a look at Enlightenment as the Xorg but also Wayland enabled WM :-) Take care! :-) Tomek -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 31 20:46:00 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C4812F02EF for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 20:46:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Zr1L6xgQz3c7q for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 20:45:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: FreeBSD Cert Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 14:45:57 -0600 References: <626d9ab4-b00b-6112-8697-ea972eceb5b2@heuristicsystems.com.au> <8696720e-3c03-8ffa-6b2c-4c4c98772a49@FreeBSD.org> <20200531005421.8f845320.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200531034231.5a6a7092@archlinux> To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8B745BDF-24B5-4CEC-8665-7C553B74B3B4@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Zr1L6xgQz3c7q X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.08 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.47)[-0.473]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.17)[-0.166]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.12)[0.122]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 20:46:00 -0000 On 30 May 2020, at 20:16, Aryeh Friedman = wrote: > Just a general comment on the "no top posting" "rule" that FreeBSD has = no one else has such a rule It is not a rule per se, and it is not unique to this mailing list. Most = mailing list and newsgroups encourage trimming posts (as I did) and = replying in line (as I am) as it makes posts much easier to read and to = follow, especially when looking at archived posts. > and many mail clients do top posting by default That is because Microsoft decide this was a great idea and then many = companies and vendors wrote software that relied on top posting for the = CSR systems. When you are having a conversation type exchange it is much = better to interleave your comments. This dates back decades, and = predates Windows' existence. > and make interleaving non-trivial (such OP's it appears). = Additionally there is enough top posting being done on today's Internet = that everyone should be familiar with it and know how to read it in = context. The issue is knowing what particular part of a post is being referred = to. Imagine if that line was at the top of this post. Would you have ANY = idea what I was talking about? At all? But the tl;dr is that you follow the conventions of the group you are = in. If you go to a company that has a style guide for code, you follow = that style guide. Your format and comment code as that organization = decided. If you work for The New Yorker, you write co=C3=B6perate, = because that is their style. If your team is all saying jiff you are = probably going to need to start saying jiff. > So we might want to recommend interleaving but it should not be some = rule set in > stone It is not. But you will notice you get fewer replies if people see your = posts as hard to read. I know that I mostly ignore anything that is top = posted or sent with HTML styles ot attached images. And not just in this = mailing list, but pretty much across the board. O lee[ ,y computer in = dark mode, so when someone shoes yo enforce black text on a white = background, for example, I usually DELETE that post immediately since = the white background blinds me and affects my (poor) vision for several = minutes. So you are free to top post, but others are free to complain about you = top-posting. If you continue to top-post, you will get fewer replies. = But no one is going to come over and arrest you or fine you for = top-posting. > that will get any newbie flamed for not using it, talk about one way = to turn people off to FreeBSD quickly. That's your choice, but the standards for this newsgroup have nothing to = do with FreeBSD software, so that would be a very silly reason to stop = using it. But you be you. --=20 I believe you can joke about anything. -- George Carlin From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 31 20:59:16 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28EAC2F0A06 for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 20:59:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49ZrJg4553z3dHg for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 20:59:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: freebsd-update versions? Message-Id: <43710642-9E74-40DC-A50C-9DC0C9C4BED1@kreme.com> Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 14:59:14 -0600 To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49ZrJg4553z3dHg X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.05 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.37)[-0.371]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.27)[-0.268]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.09)[0.087]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 20:59:16 -0000 Since there is not a way to see the available versions via the = freebsd-update tool, what is the recommended way to get access to a list = of what is available for use with freebsd-update -r? --=20 Passion is the pill you can swallow forever Taking them one by one One by One --Agents of Good Roots "Come On" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 31 21:11:08 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532022F1551 for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 21:11:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@gojira.at) Received: from mail.bsd4all.net (mail.bsd4all.net [94.130.200.20]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.bsd4all.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49ZrZM3Mmtz3g1L for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 21:11:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@gojira.at) Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 23:10:58 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=gojira.at; s=mail202005; t=1590959460; bh=eoIJ1J1Os3FIwc52ZT/2U6LdyrxCBCFtFvnw3cmIHbs=; h=Date:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ooihg43DWMiVleFd7F/rdjuuTl+tJauffqiSachCU4dOvsJyPQtT73Gzv6lEZIHO0 vBK1TA3nX04cpqq73y+fetEewybkGzZBQMb8vYOK1kIKRjYgYWdOhInr+mBeyAnzEm m7TL8aExF2JULcJtqHUV39+iXzxigDSq+767xtykVL7sF7yKhhQ/orfvyqiZEoUBmm bqxDnV+Z4gIYwp5SZ+B7ZFVVNnsmbwSlPWcXQuiB2aQB6/fAmLFRW44+MOjsVuyUEy hcEWXSGg+BW4pFQAvic3tLi5iOJu26iUDqqYSPGHzLerCXBrlKDHOw7s9D1tYw63Tb Gfcwrwx0KDWFg== Message-ID: <87o8q33j4t.wl-herbert@gojira.at> From: "Herbert J. Skuhra" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IMAP && Server certificate has expired In-Reply-To: <20200531180822.GA10779@c720-r342378> References: <20200531132051.GA7974@c720-r342378> <5e1a71cd-6837-47f1-b485-c583550db48a@unixarea.de> <20200531180822.GA10779@c720-r342378> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/28.0 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49ZrZM3Mmtz3g1L X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gojira.at header.s=mail202005 header.b=Ooihg43D; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of herbert@gojira.at designates 94.130.200.20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=herbert@gojira.at X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.83)[-0.829]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gojira.at:s=mail202005]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:94.130.200.20]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gojira.at]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.14)[-0.144]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gojira.at:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.23)[-0.225]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:94.130.0.0/16, country:DE] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 21:11:08 -0000 On Sun, 31 May 2020 20:08:22 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > = > El d=EDa domingo, mayo 31, 2020 a las 06:11:44p. m. +0100, Ottavio Ca= ruso via freebsd-questions escribi=F3: > = > > On Sun, 31 May 2020 at 17:10, Matthias Apitz wro= te: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > When I connect with the MUA mutt directly with IMAP to my ISP wit= h: > > > > > > $ mutt -f imap://imap.1blu.de:143/ > > > > > = > > Have you tried port 993? > = > $ mutt -f imaps//imap.1blu.de:993/ > = > gives the same problem: Server certificate has expired > = > There is some rumor that other systems are effected also: > = > https://support.sectigo.com/articles/Knowledge/Sectigo-AddTrust-Exter= nal-CA-Root-Expiring-May-30-2020 > = > but I don't know if I've to fix this locally or the ISP. Do you use libressl? openssl: Verify return code: 0 (ok) libressl: Verify return code: 10 (certificate has expired) -- Herbert From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 31 21:13:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3242F1669 for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 21:13:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c10007cb91cd.e6b4316694ce24915f5f61a8deccc039@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Zrd349W4z3gLk for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 21:13:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c10007cb91cd.e6b4316694ce24915f5f61a8deccc039@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1590959608; x=1593551608; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=ffHHAGzv7uwpRtyqIUM0QXJpDc0VKabx8VhMvIR4oow=; b=lRyx8q3JLwJVeQXEvw5N6v5oui4w8TY3h1tpcDAZPTUGmlif3EDQYQXnDQk2auC3yi/s2Kt1Q7rjSjDPLe2YGN49vpz6bJZUSCXCCN62lgwRFKoktnrumxu0+MDhLzuzaHIsyhNougaHqQ+zBmgmevL41LvvTmCxPWhF7tgfl48= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMTAwMDdjYjkxY2QuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.1]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 31 May 2020 17:13:24 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 31 May 2020 17:13:23 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jfVGk-000Pc7-3W; Sun, 31 May 2020 22:13:22 +0100 Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 22:13:21 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: Ralf Mardorf , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: FreeBSD Cert Message-Id: <20200531221321.802962ddd909a8014e9310cf@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <626d9ab4-b00b-6112-8697-ea972eceb5b2@heuristicsystems.com.au> <8696720e-3c03-8ffa-6b2c-4c4c98772a49@FreeBSD.org> <20200531005421.8f845320.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200531034231.5a6a7092@archlinux> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Zrd349W4z3gLk X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=lRyx8q3J; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c10007cb91cd.e6b4316694ce24915f5f61a8deccc039@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c10007cb91cd.e6b4316694ce24915f5f61a8deccc039@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.49 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.06)[-1.058]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.978]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.75)[-0.751]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c10007cb91cd.e6b4316694ce24915f5f61a8deccc039@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c10007cb91cd.e6b4316694ce24915f5f61a8deccc039@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[rocketmail.com,freebsd.org] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 21:13:28 -0000 On Sat, 30 May 2020 22:16:42 -0400 Aryeh Friedman wrote: > Just a general comment on the "no top posting" "rule" that FreeBSD has no Interleaved posting and trimming of context is generally appropriate in mailing lists and USENET where the full context is available to all but having the immediate context makes for very natural conversational reading. > one else has such a rule and many mail clients do top posting by default Top posting and retention of complete context is generally appropriate when the recipients are individuals and the set of recipients is liable to change as the thread progresses, a common pattern for internal email threads in many companies. The point being that it benefits everyone to adopt the appropriate style for the context which is why interleaved posting has been encouraged on USENET for longer than the Internet has existed but sees little use in corporate settings. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 31 21:16:00 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CECF12F1AC3 for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 21:16:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Zrgz50YTz3gYC for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 21:15:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [188.174.48.26] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jfVJE-000334-Co for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 31 May 2020 23:15:56 +0200 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id 04VLFt6b012016 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 23:15:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id 04VLFtFp012015 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 31 May 2020 23:15:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 23:15:55 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IMAP && Server certificate has expired Message-ID: <20200531211555.GA11537@c720-r342378> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200531180822.GA10779@c720-r342378> <20200531185048.41BB119ECF73@ary.qy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20200531185048.41BB119ECF73@ary.qy> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT r342378 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! 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User-Agent: Mutt/1.11.1 (2018-12-01) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 188.174.48.26 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Zrgz50YTz3gYC X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of guru@unixarea.de has no SPF policy when checking 178.254.4.101) smtp.mailfrom=guru@unixarea.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.40 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[guru@unixarea.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[188.174.48.26:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42730, ipnet:178.254.4.0/24, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[178.254.4.101:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.65)[0.653]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.66)[0.657]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[unixarea.de]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.79)[0.789]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[178.254.4.101:from]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 21:16:00 -0000 El día domingo, mayo 31, 2020 a las 02:50:47p. m. -0400, John Levine escribió: > >> > $ mutt -f imap://imap.1blu.de:143/ > >> > > >> > >> Have you tried port 993? > > Try it yourself, same response. The cert on this server uses a Comodo intermediate > certificate issued 20 years ago that expired yesterday. > > >but I don't know if I've to fix this locally or the ISP. > > It's the ISP's certificate, only they can get a new one. Ok. > The sensible thing for them to do is to get a free cert from Let's > Encrypt and set up your scripts to renew it automatically as needed, > generally ever 90 days. That's what I do on my mail servers. What do you mean with "set up your scripts..."? I do not run any script (from my ISP), only the MUA mutt and fetchmail. Thanks for your reply in any case. matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub May, 9: Спаси́бо освободители! Thank you very much, Russian liberators! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 31 21:17:36 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B6B2F1CD4 for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 21:17:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.134]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Zrjp5RHFz3gqD for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 21:17:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.46.193]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MBSJT-1jqFUq2Mn9-00D0gR; Sun, 31 May 2020 23:17:31 +0200 Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 23:17:31 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Tomasz CEDRO Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Keyboard and mouse not working after X update Message-Id: <20200531231731.85ee6d3d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20200531214105.2caed717.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ba/dtjmvXlyUh4Ou8Jv7VHUyc4EiRaD8FhHPh3KSFeMXEqRL8rG DdXd2MDrpIi/+Ngjqd7CMi5hh5onu0qwTMiIMEP/L4QG57LREZ1Wnp17PkohQQWP39qt3DI 7AmqGQbnpt3GAb8ReO0VQtfOqV/L36ud1xjPIxZXCp0U2LeZwL/5gE1GRT61dYEBMm3DuLL kMOFwu/hWs5/QiQ8kwM9Q== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ERuuz8+DEB0=:uHqvfNUzRESEL1jKz43LiU xzFg65TzAZpDaJ4IR0ZJKFXRxKHEYh3rPQMCCVNXAUDSkRV/Bcv/1I6K3udRSQdAeuHa3lEEA P/31Iqiyzx2AMHFpOmHRC3uxSWVm7ZHJ/RRUKepURoxR0MlhqGfg2YB+JJ3KFTFGEts4jVFcd xjwZIz8NlN72y5eGOk1TrDPBGhZ421r7kj+qTrTPb6ZzAyMBeSWk1d49fBFmoecJojT9S/2eW D2lXshR/wltsAYmddXvo8W2wiMCk5jCEcqBqPk6z3g+Vks2CSKlI4MDEbVLR8mV/PL2gLfXz+ eGYcxzXBJexnQ9mXQ98+LBpaXrS0TpamTseTS/mxSOlkd4YBb7Qnb1V45CT7Vgw+6fPLQvqqE ZvyxOo7mGeRJoVMfSO6VOcpHyr9br2UsisGa87wZiQFVEr5gpqd9FTpDU6n0zNzcTJT4iqs9x TC5xjItbFZhKv+34JutHKvUVQfDoDNp64WKaUWh/8VQey05S48nlBh3QRRG6kJ9JqkC5h4Aay zkuMyS4yQBxZrLSaPSkfhko8e08kG8NCclZ+uCuOSaK7b8S/B3ia75dovufkAJDF/PmhlP5jw IOx3zmjSt9UFTnn8yQ9RTE0rkXqFo5RrAVoCV5lrwyXA2oPBJWVpf1N1hHEfKTTm8SO4XVy3u mqV4cGNP7zFFBtFo/BKGvK4UAQcJCrGQ0+Trv8qteQ/6Fssaw4iYmKnyZijpYdIRUMMRO6n6g 1GFu+N+CVaIkqZ2w01OvR/du/qLivXKSrFkENqxXfCsuVKoWHGD+nshFgtv+ZiopFMWSbHIXU l6nIvPYVenCC/6s8tOIQc17iPSeKmLyxhT3iHil61Z9iiMTXQBW/kGSO2Fuyd7c1uNk863I X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Zrjp5RHFz3gqD X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.134) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.40 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.12.46.193:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.51)[0.514]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.47)[0.471]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.02)[1.016]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.134:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.134:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 21:17:36 -0000 On Sun, 31 May 2020 22:21:49 +0200, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > Hey Poly :-) There were big changes recently in Xorg and video and > input drivers handling in FreeBSD.. those changes mostly come from and > are enforced by a Linux world and the hardware vendors.. not really > much to be done about it rather than adapt (and the upstream > development). I also experienced those problems with video and I also > get the impression that input is a bit worse than before.. but it > works now.. and if you search the history there are people with > similar problems and solutions :-) Here is what at the moment (!) works at least for me: I first verified the system has installed libinput-1.15.4 xf86-input-libinput-0.29.0 and it is not running HAL or DBus. I then tried ~/.xinitrc with the addition of setxkbmap -rules evdev -layout de and removing /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/keyboard-de.conf. _That_ probably was the correct thing to do, at least here. Now keyboard language has to be set on a per-user basis, as it seems... terrible... Let's see what stops working with the next update, and what five new ways of fixing it temporarily will emerge. ;-) The "xinput" command shows both mouse and keyboard correctly, even though it uses ugly "graphics characters" where something more ASCII would have been sufficient. Yes, nobody pipes program outputs anywhere today, people just want colorful screenshots. I have no idea what to say... > Another upcoming solution for the Xorg issues may be Wayland on > FreeBSD instead of Xorg. There also was quite a large mailing thread > for that. You may take a look at Enlightenment as the Xorg but also > Wayland enabled WM :-) That would be no problem for me; hopefully other applications intended for use with X will soon be ported to work with Wayland. The current situation is definitely not in line with the decades of "it just works" experienced on FreeBSD... :-/ Sidenote: It seems that there's still something wrong with the video driver that X has loaded. It's probably still VESA... while "xvinfo" reports Adaptor #0: "GLAMOR Textured Video" and "glxinfo" states AMD PALM (DRM 2.29.0 / 12.1-RELEASE-p5, LLVM 8.0.1) (0x9802) I can get only 60 fps in "glxgears" (5600 on my old home PC from 2007). The user is a member of the "video" group. Sadly /var/log/Xorg.0.log is far from usable to easily determine which graphics driver has been loaded; [ 996.700] (II) LoadModule: "ati" [ 996.701] (WW) Warning, couldn't open module ati [ 996.702] (EE) Failed to load module "ati" (module does not exist, 0) As I mentioned, installing the matching package leads to a black screen. All that can't be normal... too many moving parts... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 31 22:02:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 184342F36EB for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 22:02:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wm1-x32a.google.com (mail-wm1-x32a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49ZsjS0nYZz42KK for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 22:02:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wm1-x32a.google.com with SMTP id f185so9497813wmf.3 for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 15:02:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=0ebILtGVYSK7uplnrnwhqXK7g11Tx+kFE1tLH3/SpL0=; b=TVW0KN3QYoQG0e+Gk+/G8M7Ovd4voOOmNswaBrDhiGEVOJ3/AhSAWxhvyigcUgL7o2 XBfCE9WfHEeT1W0vNXPDpv8FQ6oJ68enNa794RBgjuhXxKe23L6BNEXNXDr0GD2xc/pk HED8IHbD35iK+2mU2VRfk0tJ5oMBSmjkt3uLzg+KprajiRNHWp0p/zEUiwfKUMvAZpE/ R1TNXBbUhWjbMmRvnvdamkDBvf2ET5UIhTgpRKZ0xUgMtzjq/gpuLgQmfBfUt6Sm+JOL c8tSwHy2DZccEFKyXpkXZmwwcLnWflEEBbGoeTgWfBbXd6x5Xzv3AteyhzmDjmHY3O5K XpsA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=0ebILtGVYSK7uplnrnwhqXK7g11Tx+kFE1tLH3/SpL0=; b=DSvo0XwNjBYRYIgfezk2ebdeK9+MBwoqxilYWU+V4gbBYyS1Es2IZoB5rKJuxEPTip i8XTFCuwj+HAlHBSYEfkSz6euHY2THOX+ofVU+41MFEFUvwlJh9QPHmzkekNW+aoEhti T7KX155gfJI1pE0vipnpWrKFmdFMSgLWuxnKLepEdmZFLf9vqnR6/y57cUyuB4rrc855 nPfTBh+lDLjCIGcphBAVbWk4v4Bsddl89JJLrE72H2R0cfPcA+L050B+msluBiBPWzsA I+ilvkdXkcIayKS9dixrMFjiXGcaWvaUyDeiNjs+vRus2O5HAgBHFMU4ukxSF3LKLBvQ Fjig== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5336x/uXs0MsiB9gDv3m1uGHzFxQiXoorQVDhSMIt6mOhCHz5TQq Y+1Mx5zmYX1y15yW/KlGxc+fkoQcoXfh6ELR5hwr5m54L+8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyRvRPb6+VCfzs5aY96CkahpW0vVMOVJb6cV2h6+0eVFL922i22r/B9l4xt4pdtMBrEe6y9DXFfurWTF4VYZIA= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:a943:: with SMTP id s64mr18475774wme.103.1590962538359; Sun, 31 May 2020 15:02:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200531214105.2caed717.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200531231731.85ee6d3d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200531231731.85ee6d3d.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 00:01:41 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Keyboard and mouse not working after X update To: Polytropon Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49ZsjS0nYZz42KK X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=TVW0KN3Q; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::32a) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.66 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.016]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.96)[-0.959]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::32a:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.38)[-0.380]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 22:02:21 -0000 On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:17 PM Polytropon wrote: > (..) > All that can't be normal... too many moving parts... It is what it is, "change is good", "software development is about enforcing changes", etc ;-) Long story short, the new way is to use evdev / libinput and the drm-kmod + modesetting instead of old ati / intel drivers. Xorg modesetting should autoconfigure for you. You may try the old drivers with the older hardware but I found them problematic. New ati driver is called AMDGPU and you also need to install firmwares package. It works for me on desktop with RADEON RX580 with some tuning on UEFI. On laptop I use Intel drm driver. I also use hald and dbus. https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics/AMD-GPU-Matrix -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 31 22:11:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932032F37D1 for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 22:11:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.130]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Zsvr0R6mz43KF for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 22:11:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.46.193]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1Mj8eD-1j1Fk81WCr-00fEy5; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 00:11:17 +0200 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 00:11:17 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Tomasz CEDRO Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Keyboard and mouse not working after X update Message-Id: <20200601001117.f7075d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20200531214105.2caed717.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200531231731.85ee6d3d.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:+KgvJ/QJ4EtfKr8B8d57ER+sm8nOKekHZpfbNj98Sxt5OX8q2Ds jfVCJzczck3VryuCeX5AhrBjlu1ZMXOY9YvBbnnu6V7ZHD97dp7I3g0hD1fHB8rUWLUGeeW hi0S0TMqw9+Iu1vyCP/QQumf/sSi5PwNMWd83OltbmgyyubqImIXpZTrG/4jOmUxfjrQzjZ T7DCHuGR1zrUR8OeO4ZrQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:s6ILchRPQDs=:18v0ipUIz2QiFMOjE416zg ugv6ItgIPZkoOr7pdSdxzYLLSFTe/VU2dXSK7kPTgQOMn698h+MN1aO0Yrl0moB0I8JTJSy+A x+S0jEGrSNhb5Cc0Q5OvMep1SwIdrJWVgraGdFvliUFftKasUAzz1pbxfWWkbQn/uaLQSX+J5 Q0YuPhXhqHFJcA30KcywvELj7kPmQribBjJZDpqhH/hkJdUhvkgKrGbk/1/IRJuwva5fdJOQ9 0swa7bUZ1u3WYfHXLaUy057f3Ar0RhDsEoVfQBpO8BaxpRs9NF9tYmxujaBq9HRSS0fuwQy3v bNBxnWV68e9WObmX8P3a5JKAkopQzZ7fkGVavvRBtH0g8aEVxXcdwMe2Uxcp5nPChe1QrjnCT /9iKlsSycDX1q2ceqElLS+GruZ+CUAsa+0f6bWdxBH65GCd8cNAPxtEeegSuOo8R6Lmqmorq8 TXy6IT/JSzp2TSbV6JchuOblGlurLhu8t9+h7dPFSBd6vjMOaBN/+GqJrFNsT2w7C99/8PPM3 L9ZcKP4twq+4/S7zPiwQ4LPL6+fcb+hCazpq44zrRduQawrbPIuCP8cxrUlKIrBrnI3VHRbOX gXhCblyGP/Q4gnlufG1WNpcl+cIeUM6MlcUiQT2h75S+IXCnG+Bf+hfrA6LxKuP1F5puBYLsO bBLhXWHo8JkG2usv4rzP3dCv1VFos/iCV5HV9hrs5ZNR3vQ2rcuSAzxTZDivl1p/mxmJF38cp ILdmi+lZCRRRRubYNTUg/f6d4TGcxtYg5+pMGV0wuwO/QAIdJTWE6Fcc1zAkbTIh9Kq04k0H9 FHDbB2uRicsmfiSZHabptALjWShDLHFLf15b8Z52O0HONq6G4seZ/Hoe5z64iaLebbCulCk X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Zsvr0R6mz43KF X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.130) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.31 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.12.46.193:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.47)[0.468]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.43)[0.431]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.01)[1.012]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.130:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.130:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 22:11:21 -0000 On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 00:01:41 +0200, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > Long story short, the new way is to use > evdev / libinput and the drm-kmod + modesetting instead of old ati / > intel drivers. Xorg modesetting should autoconfigure for you. What is the correct driver for X for "modesetting", and how can I easily verify it has been loaded? > You may > try the old drivers with the older hardware but I found them > problematic. I don't want "problematic", I want "it works", and it doesn't matter if "new works" or "old works"; FreeBSD has been able to deliver "it works" for decades. :-) > New ati driver is called AMDGPU and you also need to > install firmwares package. I will try this tomorrow, sounds interesting. I'm still not very confident with using the new termini technici correctly. Thanks for the pointer. Strangely, I have "amdgpu" comments in my configuration files... > It works for me on desktop with RADEON > RX580 with some tuning on UEFI. The HP dm-1 is 10 years old, it doesn't have UEFI yet, and its BIOS / CMOS setup doesn't have too much choices (compared to, for example, a Lenovo Thinkpad from the same era). > On laptop I use Intel drm driver. I have a Lenovo R61i where the Intel graphics works well. Still only 60 FPS in "glxgears", but that's probably normal for "desktop graphics"; it plays Descent=B3 though. ;-) > I > also use hald and dbus. Accepting outdated Linux stuff to make FreeBSD graphics work again doesn't sound as if it was the right thing to do... ;-) > https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics >=20 > https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics/AMD-GPU-Matrix Many many moving parts. :-) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 31 22:16:29 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F308B2F3CC5 for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 22:16:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from smtp10.server.rpi.edu (gateway.canit.rpi.edu [128.113.2.230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "canit.localdomain", Issuer "canit.localdomain" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Zt1m3YxNz440B for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 22:16:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from smtp-auth1.server.rpi.edu (route.canit.rpi.edu [128.113.2.231]) by smtp10.server.rpi.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id 04VMGQ8Y068552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 31 May 2020 18:16:26 -0400 Received: from smtp-auth1.server.rpi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-auth1.server.rpi.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01CB95805C; Sun, 31 May 2020 18:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.113.125.55] (calyx-55.net.rpi.edu [128.113.125.55]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: drosih) by smtp-auth1.server.rpi.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B41C358032; Sun, 31 May 2020 18:16:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Garance A Drosehn" To: "Matthias Apitz" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IMAP && Server certificate has expired Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 18:16:16 -0400 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.13.1r5671) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5e1a71cd-6837-47f1-b485-c583550db48a@unixarea.de> References: <5e1a71cd-6837-47f1-b485-c583550db48a@unixarea.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: outgoing, @@RPTN) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Hold at 10.10] HTML_MESSAGE:0.001 X-CanIt-Incident-Id: 032Jygq06 X-CanIt-Geo: ip=128.113.125.55; country=US; region=New York; city=Troy; latitude=42.7273; longitude=-73.6696; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=42.7273,-73.6696&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Canit-Stats-ID: Bayes signature not available X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 128.113.2.230 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Zt1m3YxNz440B X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=rpi.edu; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of drosih@rpi.edu designates 128.113.2.230 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=drosih@rpi.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.59 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.07)[-1.075]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:128.113.2.225/28]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.990]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[128.113.2.230:from]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rpi.edu,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.52)[-0.523]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:91, ipnet:128.113.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 22:16:30 -0000 On 31 May 2020, at 12:10, Matthias Apitz wrote: > Hello, > > When I connect with the MUA mutt directly with IMAP to my ISP with: > > $ mutt -f imap://imap.1blu.de:143/ > > I get since some hours: > > Server certificate has expired > > and the cert presented gives the information below. I can overcome > the situation with 'set ssl_verify_dates=no' in .muttrc, but I'm > wondering what should I tell to my ISP as no information about his > server (1blu.de) shows up in the expired certificate. Or is this > because something on my OpenSSL installation expired? FreeBSD is > an older CURRENT from January 2019 and ports of the same time. > > Any ideas? >> >> This certificate was issued by: >> AddTrust External CA Root >> Unknown >> AddTrust AB >> AddTrust External TTP Network >> Unknown >> Unknown >> SE >> >> This certificate is valid >> from May 30 10:48:38 2000 GMT >> to May 30 10:48:38 2020 GMT There is a cert from AddTrust which expired early on Saturday. I believe it was the cert for certificate-authority named USERTrust RSA. This shouldn't have been a problem, because there is a newer cert for that same CA which has not expired. I do not understand all the details, but apparently there is a bug in versions of OpenSSL which are older than version 1.1. If the older (now-expired) cert is known on some system, it is used instead of the newer cert. And therefore that cert, and every cert which was generated by that CA is also considered invalid. This problem hit us at RPI on many Redhat systems yesterday. I also saw the problem in Mail.app on some of my older MacOS systems, but Mail.app does not have this problem on MacOS catalina. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = drosih@rpi.edu Lead Developer @rpi and gad@FreeBSD.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy, NY; USA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 31 23:02:02 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A582F4A9B for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 23:02:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wm1-x333.google.com (mail-wm1-x333.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::333]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Zv2J3HX5z47jS for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 23:02:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wm1-x333.google.com with SMTP id u13so9032415wml.1 for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 16:02:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=iMHGWz3n1aXkqiaiJ/qyre4KbTCmrnH6h7YIQlxwJc4=; b=LDiWB3l+ofpKcAB6c0VFabbQmUPs7ApQGzkqb5RtDXLZPSxZFpKOwVXaX1TiMPvosP D+SxFw7qfzl6Iry1Nf8hQ7IrGS+oJOpzbCWbgqE8v/U1n8y+UmjCzZnv97Htf3jOd5JJ LwVxiE1jI2Adk1PS864Cd0XyxEnPBZTlJB5R2JHI4+T4BYR4z4l1j9wPuXDCN4siVcPG Mmewt9Kn36wHR52owZt/7Sv4vTqh5E6bgPJ3bHa5zZRzoWhiYgWQzRVDJHNvKYD3x9Vw sy9FujHtGATa424IDzxrwUQ7ZgNbGtmCEfxjPCYu5LT5KS/5xR5CjpduJnXS6Ht6LRbS CV3A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=iMHGWz3n1aXkqiaiJ/qyre4KbTCmrnH6h7YIQlxwJc4=; b=cpyVWT2gjYoPwj5w5pZwyMTKkp82obt8O5aE3+hBDhWXhbtHYt3Z3DOX/FzAB+HJYF lCXqSyE6u475nfH5eaObUAMUC7t5uoj1l74LUTixkQMG1Ro0j7XnluVEPypQ0DRxmU9v f5HQGEKCCl4eAZgXBslqwm0beOHyhKKlhhUyISMXs6zb8zE4SAtuqrZQI77ObDt1t3H+ thdFpsJv4LnIR9Gy/E1NIsmAinrsT9vQUs4RuIanV2bndWQzb9wMiCwxEaBtwoyrOZKW VD1yxT19rM0AX4dNfCsSFS0OVi6I5nLmiv0vdmnjQfYdrRRSRo68vXUNwwZkvCZJuwbH aXPA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530wQK4PCxO0gZDolftnn4nOTP0PaRG7Oqzykbu/MWXyJbFb8aCY zIX8RMCg+KwPeY8TE3nLPF3ZJ8XfWkoTyhPCNphTUA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwzR6LbZOliP/1eAmxrXANAjA+lUJPfjwUhy+9dvPwRsVxEC7UxqhPLfxtDHUR5uGQ0pUa7HU9uqfNDPNwZJ9Y= X-Received: by 2002:a7b:cc82:: with SMTP id p2mr18663001wma.101.1590966118556; Sun, 31 May 2020 16:01:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200531214105.2caed717.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200531231731.85ee6d3d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200601001117.f7075d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200601001117.f7075d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 01:01:22 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Keyboard and mouse not working after X update To: Polytropon Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Zv2J3HX5z47jS X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=LDiWB3l+; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::333) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.74 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.03)[-1.029]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.96)[-0.964]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::333:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.44)[-0.445]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 23:02:02 -0000 On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 12:11 AM Polytropon wrote: > What is the correct driver for X for "modesetting", and how > can I easily verify it has been loaded? It is part of the Xorg I guess. Make sure you are in the video group. Use no config launch startx and it should auto configure. Well thing changed a bit and we just need to put some time for that to work no other way ;-) > > You may > > try the old drivers with the older hardware but I found them > > problematic. > > I don't want "problematic", I want "it works", and it doesn't > matter if "new works" or "old works"; FreeBSD has been able > to deliver "it works" for decades. :-) Well there are some issues but I moved away from macOS to FreeBSD looking at the direction of global changes and the way it goes does not look promising. Seems like we are the folks to "make things work" now. BSD still seems to be "the rational island" in this "sand castle world" and I can clearly see that I also need to add my bricks to make it work well thus my focus here :-) > > I > > also use hald and dbus. > > Accepting outdated Linux stuff to make FreeBSD graphics > work again doesn't sound as if it was the right thing to > do... ;-) Yea, but this is my _work_station_ so my main focus is to get the results in a shorter and shorter time spans.. not always I have lots of time to play and fix things anymore.. the world gone mad :-( After I finish a bigger project around August I will get back to E + Wayland on FreeBSD. I am working now and testing the new EFL+Enlightenment (still in Xorg mode). The E community is very helpful and responsive that also use FreeBSD and sometimes offer patches really quickly. Still some work to make it production ready :-) > Many many moving parts. :-) "Change is good" man "root is obsolete" why do we even need those computers ;-) ;-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 1 01:03:15 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403452F6CA8 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 01:03:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49ZxkB0ZF7z4Hg2 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 01:03:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 81248 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2020 01:03:12 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=13d5d.5ed453d0.k2005; bh=P/YA1iqAeCbYPiaZbUx/EV6+4WfYYTenXxZFsSqHd/Y=; b=Q3n2S31oeOlP8/e0uVzmbTQLby+yaQwassbEwfGgBf+5AWrb76GNlWTasKrGiIMXTl9zWmeXTl5dYnfas0hi8fTfMjPcQJ5kwDRA4x7ZuS+BUoAigjLK2ZHzhnGdWAFMslgRsIolAagCtusYNjf37IAlcIHLmKAo+5kYLpao/fjbAHnGc2bBvgPznG07JgBnTnTSZmy6saRX1Nku1lcUh0IPN5con6rqDImydh6HXT20nb0hIz7qbJBOxfMYqVVv Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTP via TCP6; 01 Jun 2020 01:03:11 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id C2AE919EF731; Sun, 31 May 2020 21:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: 31 May 2020 21:03:11 -0400 Message-Id: <20200601010311.C2AE919EF731@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: guru@unixarea.de Subject: Re: IMAP && Server certificate has expired In-Reply-To: <20200531211555.GA11537@c720-r342378> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49ZxkB0ZF7z4Hg2 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=iecc.com header.s=13d5d.5ed453d0.k2005 header.b=Q3n2S31o; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=iecc.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of johnl@iecc.com designates 2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=johnl@iecc.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.46 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.06)[-1.063]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[iecc.com:s=13d5d.5ed453d0.k2005]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[iecc.com:dkim]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:470:1f07:1126::/64]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.985]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[iecc.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[iecc.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.91)[-0.911]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2020 01:03:15 -0000 In article <20200531211555.GA11537@c720-r342378> you write: >> The sensible thing for them to do is to get a free cert from Let's >> Encrypt and set up your scripts to renew it automatically as needed, >> generally ever 90 days. That's what I do on my mail servers. > >What do you mean with "set up your scripts..."? I do >not run any script (from my ISP), only the MUA mutt and fetchmail. Sorry, I meant set up their scripts. Again, this is the ISP's cert, only they can manage and renew it. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 1 07:31:39 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE9A32CA86 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 07:31:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from p-impout001.msg.pkvw.co.charter.net (p-impout002aa.msg.pkvw.co.charter.net [47.43.26.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49b6LM062Yz4JgN for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 07:31:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from localhost ([96.28.177.163]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id feuxjWiGXv4w0feuxjILS2; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 07:31:32 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=KaesTjQD c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=xqrt2BZAGHte7XHhrxJgbA==:117 a=xqrt2BZAGHte7XHhrxJgbA==:17 a=HpEJnUlJZJkA:10 a=ceHJ1wc0exqcN1DEbdQA:9 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2020 07:31:39 +0000 From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org CC: Doug McIntyre Subject: Re: Documentation and debugging for NFSv4 References: <20200522182635.GA4515@geeks.org> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfOraZunFKxNOxyE7i7E+Q2Ma0BKwLMy5F6wzsBo0Z4kNfDEIWvkaPAWZU+YWcYx+L+B+HmqVdhwSedJe5xtYSijXv2KsJ1If2VTYzccITae+lg1O2Znq oprbB1/NjRYeT+Q6pJ0NyrP716pvkjldrW0mSL6cy6M4G0fIT5qTFl7vRLVBzKiRgENAwc3viMOq7FJrVX0tsANcgymQlIDANog= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49b6LM062Yz4JgN X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mueller6722@twc.com designates 47.43.26.133 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mueller6722@twc.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.99 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.74)[-0.736]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[twc.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:47.43.26.0/24]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[twc.com]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.12)[-0.120]; MISSING_MID(2.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.36)[-0.357]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:40294, ipnet:47.43.24.0/21, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[twc.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[96.28.177.163:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2020 07:31:40 -0000 from Doug McIntyre: > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 03:15:01PM +0100, Norman Gray wrote: > > I'm having difficulty finding consistent documentation and debugging tools > > for NFSv4. Is there some handbook-like source that I'm missing? Or some > > layer of documentation for configuration or debugging that I've failed to > > find? > I think in general, that NFSv4 is not widely deployed outside of > hetrogenous linux environments. Given the state of things, I'd imagine > it is downgraded to NFSv3 more often than not in other use cases of mixed > OSes. > > Normally some combination of netstat and tcpdump would make some headway, > > but SunRPC is blacker magic than that. > NFSv4 is a big change, most implementations I've seen operate over TCP instead of UDP > whereas TCP was optional in v2 and v3. NFSv4 doesn't need rpc portmapper, nor > other helper daemons. The IDmapper is a big change as well, no more UID passed > through, but all UIDs have to be mapped back and forth on both sides. > Make sure you use V4 definitions in /etc/exports. From what I > remember even connecting as a client needed 'V4: /' in there to > connect right to a linux NFSv4 server, but I could be misremembering. One question has bugged me, how to set up /etc/exports to be able to export by either NFSv3 or NFSv4, without having to have two files and copy to /etc/exports every time you want to use the other (NFSv3 or 4) protocol. I believe an OS that does not support NFSv4 (such as NetBSD) can not mount_nfs when the server is using NFSv4? Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 1 08:45:32 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89BE32E660 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 08:45:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsduser@cloudzeeland.nl) Received: from poseidon.cloudzeeland.nl (cloudzeeland.xs4all.nl [83.161.133.58]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "cloudzeeland.nl", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49b7zb6qqSz4Qg5 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 08:45:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsduser@cloudzeeland.nl) Received: from poseidon.cloudzeeland.nl (cloudzeeland.nl [10.10.10.36]) by poseidon.cloudzeeland.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5179F28568 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 10:45:23 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cloudzeeland.nl; s=cloud; t=1591001123; bh=ANRNQSYxXmgqTXc1yYLjDMM2ur4eZgM3oW2cMqeVS7E=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=exeKy+i4axAv/4tjkmKYfdYOfaAdjQhJsEHFQ+zMuD9GCd6AOxLT+y/wpVDe8taYo 2Eztur1sM+QeotmYXjo/EI7FEg+GbOBxd6bhO8K/gGtutwpeYkh7iVVgsgSctSeep2 NG6veYpjb4iXZ3Bd86u/MdAVCNVlLfkghYOxA1Bg= Received: from [10.10.10.34] (pion1.rpicloud.nl [82.176.127.71]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by poseidon.cloudzeeland.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C175F28567 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 10:45:22 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cloudzeeland.nl; s=cloud; t=1591001122; bh=ANRNQSYxXmgqTXc1yYLjDMM2ur4eZgM3oW2cMqeVS7E=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=4wnj1fCLlsnm6QTRClI+U88sCh9NStIsWbvLl178rv3f1DQQ/W3KvhxjLh8j+qcrH HZnvj1XzfKEvzvdSpFowzhDGkRB5XeR2Liirs4cksK70PG8uquu8/xR3o6wEOQNDcq BmnXCd0AtW7wiqUd3O/qe1XdZwtyhVQS+FpJa0+s= Subject: Re: 7ZIP Windows question To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <56263fa6-a3fc-ffbb-9f78-732e69b94b8d@irk.ru> From: Jos Chrispijn Organization: Userland rocks! 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I used the p7zip from both ports and >> packages to extract it. Result was the same: Some files were not >> extracted with diagnostic "Too long filename". Try to rename first from within the 7Z file (so check content of the 7Z archive by overview, rename the file(s) and update the archive. Best, Jos From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 1 08:47:08 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A17ED32E8C8 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 08:47:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49b81R4QDFz4QnJ for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 08:47:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [188.174.56.132] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jfg64-0000gG-I5; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 10:47:04 +0200 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id 0518l3hm004280 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 1 Jun 2020 10:47:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id 0518l3wD004279; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 10:47:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 10:47:03 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: John Levine Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IMAP && Server certificate has expired Message-ID: <20200601084703.GA3913@c720-r342378> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: John Levine , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200531211555.GA11537@c720-r342378> <20200601010311.C2AE919EF731@ary.qy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20200601010311.C2AE919EF731@ary.qy> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT r342378 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! 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I do > >not run any script (from my ISP), only the MUA mutt and fetchmail. > > Sorry, I meant set up their scripts. Again, this is the ISP's cert, > only they can manage and renew it. It will take a long time and a tough job to convince them that's their fault, starting already with the fact that the affected piece of software is the MUA mutt on FreeBSD, both little known to them. I know this from the past with other problems :-) matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub May, 9: Спаси́бо освободители! Thank you very much, Russian liberators! 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On 1 Jun 2020, at 8:31, Thomas Mueller wrote: > One question has bugged me, how to set up /etc/exports to be able to > export by either NFSv3 or NFSv4, without having to have two files and > copy to /etc/exports every time you want to use the other (NFSv3 or 4) > protocol. It should be that if you include V4: / in the /etc/exports, setting the NFS-root, then the same paths will be accessible via both v3 and v4. I recall this did work for me, though in my case I'm committing to NFSv4 only, so have set a NFS-root different from /. In the case of 'V4: /foo', then the directory /foo/bar will be accessible as that via NFSv3 and as /bar via NFSv4. 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I used the p7zip from both ports and >>> packages to extract it. Result was the same: Some files were not >>> extracted with diagnostic "Too long filename". > > Try to rename first from within the 7Z file (so check content of the 7Z > archive by overview, rename the file(s) and update the archive. > > Best, Jos Try using the windows10 version of 7z From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 1 14:36:22 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E2A03389B1 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 14:36:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49bHmQ1Dvsz422H for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 14:36:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: matthew/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C2E1510ACE for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 14:36:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local (unknown [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c43e:bed4:fd80:ab56]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 771751BCE3 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 14:36:18 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/771751BCE3; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: freebsd-update versions? 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In-Reply-To: <43710642-9E74-40DC-A50C-9DC0C9C4BED1@kreme.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Z4Gdvpi9aKeKmQZ2OxKgOxBUuOoYGw5bj" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2020 14:36:22 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Z4Gdvpi9aKeKmQZ2OxKgOxBUuOoYGw5bj Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="O2wvyjXbF2NhuptYw5Ccu83KQmhEiuDsu" --O2wvyjXbF2NhuptYw5Ccu83KQmhEiuDsu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 31/05/2020 21:59, @lbutlr wrote: > Since there is not a way to see the available versions via the > freebsd-update tool, what is the recommended way to get access to a lis= t > of what is available for use with freebsd-update -r? 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Message-Id: <20200601170343.303e93c3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <43710642-9E74-40DC-A50C-9DC0C9C4BED1@kreme.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:7lkN8kn3OopCyX8fNpQdXJaOk/DLrpmpo6ocORwxvrsYarJw5Bh vkerzrynMcvk4CG5x4H/iji8OwHpYqaSJX47XRsJnen/IIsbEUL23cClJ0atEnuE3UG7Nlo iaSuQ1EiWuGwIPiHIQTXiJ71krtsjSEVH5BJYczSKD4GySm38ZlDpsaksRYfeSgqkNqAQ1G L7z871DlCu2+SwqZdip3A== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:lPOBepDzeCM=:cpRXD9xD2+mRKTAVvwF24M PviEXSj5TB5AIfEsXzWUNCjOQpOkc3U6rePNyLRUPEUr1CumMmzs814/icZzKdPC0ru0synNW YnkBJyCl02VntEMucr+Js8YPIxhjLWxd4hA+6kCochXJxn+PEObrxLAzNvGjO1Yq2iim15IXm L1kRZzs8h7thm1jhe528CyMbCYvt9c7/jVXRGCxhagSLbR8McEC9RZ/cjDzwkTH85dVsVtghB HevqQGZIwFBRkhwO5p44az7lNZo+WMqNQcfDVZsLQMFrLwkiii3BJj6ki0N5V37L2LGo8KjYk gb2fd32OQF/v8Bdkm6TKPXebS/Kg4NpURE3HoLgdYNWdYM6VT3wgk1nTPttr7j5tW3ltgha8d AJ2VGW9nGn8He5yZF6rhvQ7SkAfMrRro7SkuCDCD+f09cWIlgAX74CHRgRiNh0GvWZon3E4Nk eCw1WKSAj16TZXJo4jnS8FdHUMYFdyylyG1oZ5SK3cSWLHRAlIYF4zURHRndi/2e5cFgxDUSw 3yvjXPxAmMvhDyy0dkcvE7OGi3xgqXuHjjEaB2HYU7RM1JhEUTHalZ1sqw86VFJ4SxeOmeIRO QP6aaXcEgFNuE5eJs0yJQbYuAidB5mBc7ffABUrBjsV9MFNHGcpIqqySxZnd7F6Q8xxGyIEUZ pUhBXPweU7i325BrrK6gzXHhKrj3MnH3PiFFgJxN5H7jBZc/mfc8IdinsVAZsO+OpAtJsoS7a 9cNpUmrfkFNqy2IU5SBUKqZgnOvZ0owWu9R1Q34GpchICmkSE7vJRFDOYqTt7jfibg6ruhE42 LRQOomWRRPJgb7VStszXQOwpS8Rgs3EENE3xokNMgddEt3tLpEiAUxaJdN52DjDcTTLeJcP X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49bJN23fkSz44Y1 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2020 15:03:47 -0000 On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 15:38:38 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 31/05/2020 21:59, @lbutlr wrote: > > Since there is not a way to see the available versions via the > > freebsd-update tool, what is the recommended way to get access to a list > > of what is available for use with freebsd-update -r? > > By checking on this web page under 'Production Release': > > https://www.freebsd.org/releases/ This (and the "Errata" subpages) are quite informative, but I assume the information expected is something like this: # freebsd-version -ku <- what we currently have 12.1-RELEASE-p5 12.1-RELEASE-p5 # freebsd-update -e <- what we could get 12.1-RELEASE-p7 12.2-RELEASE # freebsd-update -r upgrade So by this fictional example, it would now be possible to upgrade the current 12.1-p5 to 12.1-p7, or upgrade to the new 12.2 (no patches yet). The option -e / --expect could for example retrieve and show what could be installed; of course older releases and patches are not shown because it's freebsd-update, not freebsd-downdate. Am I thinking into the right direction? :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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The compilation breaks because a function is declared differently in Linux and in FreeBSD. The Ruby crew doesn't seem to have noticed this yet. int getlogin_r(char *, size_t); /* Linux */ int getlogin_r(char *, int); /* FreeBSD */ The longer I think about it I get convinced this is a problem of FreeBSD rather than of Ruby. What do you think? What solution do you propose? Bertram -- Bertram Scharpf Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany http://www.bertram-scharpf.de From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 1 18:42:32 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4466233EB29 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 18:42:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49bPDR2fpvz4Qm4 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 18:42:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: freebsd-update versions? Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 12:42:28 -0600 References: <43710642-9E74-40DC-A50C-9DC0C9C4BED1@kreme.com> To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <695847E2-3AA9-42CC-93C4-3258C37EEB47@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49bPDR2fpvz4Qm4 X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.38 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.46)[-0.455]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.26)[-0.261]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.50)[-0.504]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2020 18:42:32 -0000 On 01 Jun 2020, at 08:38, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 31/05/2020 21:59, @lbutlr wrote: >> Since there is not a way to see the available versions via the >> freebsd-update tool, what is the recommended way to get access to a = list >> of what is available for use with freebsd-update -r? >=20 > By checking on this web page under 'Production Release': > https://www.freebsd.org/releases/ That is not that helpful when you are on the console, or even when you = are in a ssh session since you have to then switch to some other program = to check. Is there really no way to list the current versions other than = accessing a web page? On 01 Jun 2020, at 09:03, Polytropon wrote: > This (and the "Errata" subpages) are quite informative, but > I assume the information expected is something like this: >=20 > # freebsd-update -e <- what we could get > 12.1-RELEASE-p7 > 12.2-RELEASE >=20 > # freebsd-update -r upgrade Yes, something very much like this without having to go 'off-server' for = a web browser or do some scraping along the lines of wget -q -O- https://www.freebsd.org/releases/ \ | grep "Production Release:" \ | awk -F'>' '{print $4}' \ | sed 's/.\{3\}$//' 12.1 11.3 Or wget -q -O- https://www.freebsd.org/releases/ \ | grep "

Release " \ # or grep "Release [0-9]" if you = prefer | awk '{print $2}' \ | sed 's/.\{4\}$//' Which is bound to fail at some point. (Sooner more likely than later.) --=20 I SAW NOTHING UNUSUAL IN THE TEACHER'S LOUNGE Bart chalkboard Ep. 8F17 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 1 18:57:05 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7030E33ED82 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 18:57:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49bPYC6zcdz4Rxt for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 18:57:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.46.193]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MkYLW-1jHExf25qI-00m2m6; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 20:57:01 +0200 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 20:56:59 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Tomasz CEDRO Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Keyboard and mouse not working after X update Message-Id: <20200601205659.fac089c3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20200531214105.2caed717.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200531231731.85ee6d3d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200601001117.f7075d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:TPL+Q4ZYztDCGCcMXCXskbIptMBORGlR1UM4ssSZzz/ZQZpZ+XP rbXm2+4oKDfJQ7GEY4rfAe5kiJhmylxvpG30arLVsmf2+IaT4j+TdRGxBjcH/hC6+DXmvop qOxG7FPkNKA2EG1suZkpsuWEPr/pjNMHPf3JAM0sV1ovpxDfU7eiawXtWTfZm17xg37Bw02 d0KugcAIvDbumUBdR+X0A== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:x+fM/aXwuws=:dvUV6I3M+c2XeoLx4HLWXA wN7qdoG7Jm5m7oVQuXRh0DFRfwgThifKKOpbSEwnWvfPLP11iovo92C2nJAKZT5KBZ+fUoA+y UaBUqKwDVUXRnHaetDCjFzPNP9AzswjqhKuOqHbaL8GLdHVt+DdwnPxQJ4Utgt+6z13rgJCUl 0jSLrEn1SxXH3Hk4jCNz4oOoFBd1a1KacEld8icQ55OO/gtNKqNJhxoGQx27BQXZ2evzuhmss Qmfxq/gFmYq6UzfYhRzyVZOfUVy5oi/0FkNAW8Q9W2mzC4pp1w2RIlkqF7+fU5NzWkvO03iIU cyt2dpXvYY4wOvn/5f7qG7/FAP1n7o5qyYMvk5/mnKK4wP2rwlTpJ6i75pA+f+5tyE+ASNtFr HF4TM29iKmvUXxHpe6EzFY8UZEiJCSs4jTdrhWxL2maztmSE/BZ6DTGht4kNavtZpg3/sLTyW AnO8xWyTuo3bbqioP0lr+mtzsZA8FUqqM7MJZYtVZxenTVycFH3rAqDjM+2PX7yDqSPxN+9KD tSlTOh+6Q6l0ew4Z/xN8Y+lNEyr4ms5D0heTUOl9tIH+uLu1uWrXmGAI2oP+3021g9piHmbcC wX8PLoCOQToK9RVcVVevkfn7bNcD+q8RUh+iLEhEVXld2lftHfSeUTJFKi80y0sRrAHz1Zqfp gmLzrm298oz4usclRDp0wl9TbY17qYnFvnatnRBl1biVFd+KKOz5CuQRpXFbC+/WEHgvZtakR pgNU1kftsQc3T4sRFxArhPQ21Vq5KdTdEzyVnlQk6Zse7RtDJ3/E6xku8hQmUIli+ArlyFmsL PN5RUtkKd3vg3lZFI0BSwATpBRuicFnojFeDeMLkyX0nDpsTbrAAAAlVEml6nPQ5SY0ig7h X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49bPYC6zcdz4Rxt X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.131) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.26 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.12.46.193:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.01)[0.010]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.83)[0.830]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.02)[1.016]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.131:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.131:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2020 18:57:05 -0000 On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 01:01:22 +0200, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 12:11 AM Polytropon wrote: > > What is the correct driver for X for "modesetting", and how > > can I easily verify it has been loaded? > > It is part of the Xorg I guess. Make sure you are in the video group. Verified. The user is also member of the "administrative groups" (operator and wheel). > Use no config launch startx and it should auto configure. Yes, this works. I no longer need (as it seems to be unsupported( a configuration file for keyboard language, as this has now become a O(n) instead of O(1) operation, bah, per user. > Well thing > changed a bit and we just need to put some time for that to work no > other way ;-) I just wish it was documented in a way a simple mind like mine could understand. :-) So at the moment, I have this (as explained in the documentation): In /boot/loader.conf: drm_load="YES" In /etc/rc.conf: kld_list="amdgpu" In the user's ~/.xinitrc: setxkbmap -rules evdev -layout de The following related packages are installed: drm-kmod-g20190710 drm-fbsd12.0-kmod-4.16.g20200221 xf86-video-amdgpu-19.1.0_1 libdrm-2.4.99,1 In /var/log/Xorg.0.log, I still get the misleading messages: [ 43.096] (II) LoadModule: "ati" [ 43.098] (WW) Warning, couldn't open module ati [ 43.098] (EE) Failed to load module "ati" (module does not exist, 0) As I seaid, when the xf86-video-ati package was installed, I just got a black screen in X. However, with xf86-video-amdgpu installed, there is no indication in the log file that a driver named "amdgpu" (or the like) has been loaded. Bit I get the message saying Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/modesetting_drv.so Followd by those errors: [ 43.111] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory [ 43.111] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for modesetting [ 43.111] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory [ 43.111] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for scfb ... [ 43.111] (II) UnloadModule: "modesetting" And later on, it's still pointing to VESA being used. Strange thing, with "glxgears", I now get approx. 260 FPS, which is 5 times as much as before. No directory /dev/dri does exist. I have installed the MESA packages (mesa-demos, mesa-libs, and mesa-dri), but that's the software renderer. The "driinfo" program reports an error, obviously. So it still seems that there's something missing for DRI? Or is this something to enable somewhere else? > BSD still seems to be "the rational island" in this "sand castle > world" and I can clearly see that I also need to add my bricks to make > it work well thus my focus here :-) >From all the sand that is blewn over from Linux world, it becomes a bit harder to see _which_ solution is the suggested one, at least for the moment... > > > I > > > also use hald and dbus. > > > > Accepting outdated Linux stuff to make FreeBSD graphics > > work again doesn't sound as if it was the right thing to > > do... ;-) > > Yea, but this is my _work_station_ so my main focus is to get the > results in a shorter and shorter time spans.. not always I have lots > of time to play and fix things anymore.. the world gone mad :-( I have systems running MATE which also have HAL and DBus for whatever reason, and this works. > > Many many moving parts. :-) > > "Change is good" man "root is obsolete" why do we even need those > computers ;-) ;-) I don't know I'm no good with computering. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 1 19:09:18 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AF2633EF3D for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 19:09:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) Received: from mx.blih.net (mx.blih.net [212.83.155.74]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx.blih.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49bPqJ6vmBz4T3P for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 19:09:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bidouilliste.com; s=mx; t=1591038548; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=RJsrX8U114335Rgi84nifua+h3pbIlMelBjJK92Y5/A=; b=QWHtm3Iuo1MZidBAo4iTtkKcl5dJM7xx5oVaS5B/uuk4lquV8FmRgoRDwVWJYwOc0L3SYg 58K8wNEdMpNlCQ/MMx3/G74whgS596aoFW4tC5rKx6RqeRVPGCwrz70MS0eIiiyCQlBAVQ q2JKxYvg2/WVG+gFRI5+ebcgFYRh+yg= Received: from skull.home.blih.net (lfbn-idf2-1-900-181.w86-238.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.238.131.181]) by mx.blih.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 13ee68bd (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Mon, 1 Jun 2020 19:09:08 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 21:09:04 +0200 From: Emmanuel Vadot To: Polytropon Cc: Tomasz CEDRO , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Keyboard and mouse not working after X update Message-Id: <20200601210904.26383caf62c0cb59f4a2b68a@bidouilliste.com> In-Reply-To: <20200601205659.fac089c3.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20200531214105.2caed717.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200531231731.85ee6d3d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200601001117.f7075d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200601205659.fac089c3.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49bPqJ6vmBz4T3P X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bidouilliste.com header.s=mx header.b=QWHtm3Iu; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=bidouilliste.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of manu@bidouilliste.com designates 212.83.155.74 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=manu@bidouilliste.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.67 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bidouilliste.com:s=mx]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.009]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bidouilliste.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[bidouilliste.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.15)[-0.151]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.010]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12876, ipnet:212.83.128.0/19, country:FR]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2020 19:09:18 -0000 On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 20:56:59 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 01:01:22 +0200, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 12:11 AM Polytropon wrote: > > > What is the correct driver for X for "modesetting", and how > > > can I easily verify it has been loaded? > > > > It is part of the Xorg I guess. Make sure you are in the video group. > > Verified. The user is also member of the "administrative > groups" (operator and wheel). > > > > > Use no config launch startx and it should auto configure. > > Yes, this works. I no longer need (as it seems to be unsupported( > a configuration file for keyboard language, as this has now become > a O(n) instead of O(1) operation, bah, per user. > > > > > Well thing > > changed a bit and we just need to put some time for that to work no > > other way ;-) > > I just wish it was documented in a way a simple mind like mine > could understand. :-) > > So at the moment, I have this (as explained in the documentation): > > In /boot/loader.conf: > > drm_load="YES" That won't work. > In /etc/rc.conf: > > kld_list="amdgpu" This should be enough to have drm.ko loaded as a dependency. > > In the user's ~/.xinitrc: > > setxkbmap -rules evdev -layout de > > The following related packages are installed: > > drm-kmod-g20190710 > drm-fbsd12.0-kmod-4.16.g20200221 > xf86-video-amdgpu-19.1.0_1 > libdrm-2.4.99,1 > > In /var/log/Xorg.0.log, I still get the misleading messages: > > [ 43.096] (II) LoadModule: "ati" > [ 43.098] (WW) Warning, couldn't open module ati > [ 43.098] (EE) Failed to load module "ati" (module does not exist, 0) > > As I seaid, when the xf86-video-ati package was installed, I > just got a black screen in X. However, with xf86-video-amdgpu > installed, there is no indication in the log file that a driver > named "amdgpu" (or the like) has been loaded. Bit I get the > message saying > > Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/modesetting_drv.so > > Followd by those errors: > > [ 43.111] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory > [ 43.111] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for modesetting > [ 43.111] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory > [ 43.111] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for scfb > ... > [ 43.111] (II) UnloadModule: "modesetting" > > And later on, it's still pointing to VESA being used. Strange thing, > with "glxgears", I now get approx. 260 FPS, which is 5 times as > much as before. > > No directory /dev/dri does exist. If you have no /dev/dri and no /dev/drm it means that the drm modules wasn't loaded. Look in dmesg for errors and also try to "kldload amdgpu" or "kldload radeonkms" depending on your GPU. > I have installed the MESA packages (mesa-demos, mesa-libs, and > mesa-dri), but that's the software renderer. The "driinfo" program > reports an error, obviously. > > So it still seems that there's something missing for DRI? > > Or is this something to enable somewhere else? > > > > > BSD still seems to be "the rational island" in this "sand castle > > world" and I can clearly see that I also need to add my bricks to make > > it work well thus my focus here :-) > > From all the sand that is blewn over from Linux world, it > becomes a bit harder to see _which_ solution is the suggested > one, at least for the moment... > > > > > > > I > > > > also use hald and dbus. > > > > > > Accepting outdated Linux stuff to make FreeBSD graphics > > > work again doesn't sound as if it was the right thing to > > > do... ;-) > > > > Yea, but this is my _work_station_ so my main focus is to get the > > results in a shorter and shorter time spans.. not always I have lots > > of time to play and fix things anymore.. the world gone mad :-( > > I have systems running MATE which also have HAL and DBus for > whatever reason, and this works. > > > > > > Many many moving parts. :-) > > > > "Change is good" man "root is obsolete" why do we even need those > > computers ;-) ;-) > > I don't know I'm no good with computering. :-) > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Emmanuel Vadot From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 1 19:10:22 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E0F33F022 for ; 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dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.134) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.21 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.02)[-0.020]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.12.46.193:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.83)[0.830]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.005]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.134:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.134:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2020 19:10:22 -0000 On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 19:21:03 +0200, Bertram Scharpf wrote: > I tried to build the newest Ruby. The compilation breaks > because a function is declared differently in Linux and in > FreeBSD. The Ruby crew doesn't seem to have noticed this > yet. > > int getlogin_r(char *, size_t); /* Linux */ > int getlogin_r(char *, int); /* FreeBSD */ > > The longer I think about it I get convinced this is a > problem of FreeBSD rather than of Ruby. > > What do you think? What solution do you propose? >From what I understand, I agree. The 2nd parameter is the length parameter, which should be of size_t (as many other length and amount parameters already are). Maybe a bug report plus a suggestion for a fix is helpful? >From "man getlogin_r": int getlogin_r(char *name, int len); Implementation in /usr/src/lib/libc/gen/getlogin.c: int getlogin_r(char *logname, int namelen) { char tmpname[MAXLOGNAME]; int len; if (namelen < 1) return (ERANGE); logname[0] = '\0'; if (_getlogin(tmpname, sizeof(tmpname)) < 0) return (errno); len = strlen(tmpname) + 1; if (len > namelen) return (ERANGE); strlcpy(logname, tmpname, len); return (0); } This looks like a perfect place to use size_t instead of int (note the range check). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 1 19:40:32 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CABF733FD56 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 19:40:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from mailout.easydns.com (mailout.easydns.com [64.68.202.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49bQWM4McMz4Xvv for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 19:40:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0893C529D; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 19:40:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout.easydns.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (emo12-pco.easydns.vpn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yLPeFi5a6ao7; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 19:40:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hedeland.org (81-228-157-209-no289.tbcn.telia.com [81.228.157.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F2D1EC5235; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 19:40:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pluto.hedeland.org (pluto.hedeland.org [10.1.1.5]) by tellus.hedeland.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 051JeOD4038307 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 1 Jun 2020 21:40:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Subject: Re: Keyboard and mouse not working after X update To: Polytropon Cc: FreeBSD Questions References: <20200531214105.2caed717.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200531231731.85ee6d3d.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 21:40:24 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200531231731.85ee6d3d.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49bQWM4McMz4Xvv X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of per@hedeland.org has no SPF policy when checking 64.68.202.10) smtp.mailfrom=per@hedeland.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.43 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[81.228.157.209:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.74)[-0.737]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[hedeland.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.18)[-0.177]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.55)[0.549]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16686, ipnet:64.68.200.0/22, country:CA]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[64.68.202.10:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2020 19:40:32 -0000 On 2020-05-31 23:17, Polytropon wrote: > > I can get only 60 fps in "glxgears" (5600 on my old home PC from 2007). At least for me (and many others according to google), it initially says: Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate. I.e. 60 fps (I get the same) is probably correct. Unfortunately the only way to find out how to make it *not* be "synchronized to the vertical refresh" seems to be google (or the source, probably). Try $ env vblank_mode=0 glxgears (I get 7100+ fps with that.) --Per From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 1 20:06:35 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920702F0BBB for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 20:06:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from mailout.easydns.com (mailout.easydns.com [64.68.202.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49bR5Q68xGz4cS2 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 20:06:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDD2C4489; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 20:06:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout.easydns.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (emo12-pco.easydns.vpn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y8KCKPN5IghZ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 20:06:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hedeland.org (81-228-157-209-no289.tbcn.telia.com [81.228.157.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8181EC0C79; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 20:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pluto.hedeland.org (pluto.hedeland.org [10.1.1.5]) by tellus.hedeland.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 051K6TAC038393 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 1 Jun 2020 22:06:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Subject: Re: Keyboard and mouse not working after X update To: Polytropon Cc: FreeBSD Questions References: <20200531214105.2caed717.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200531231731.85ee6d3d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200601001117.f7075d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200601205659.fac089c3.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 22:06:29 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200601205659.fac089c3.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49bR5Q68xGz4cS2 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of per@hedeland.org has no SPF policy when checking 64.68.202.10) smtp.mailfrom=per@hedeland.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.45 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[81.228.157.209:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.74)[-0.739]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[hedeland.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.15)[-0.145]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.53)[0.531]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16686, ipnet:64.68.200.0/22, country:CA]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[64.68.202.10:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2020 20:06:35 -0000 On 2020-06-01 20:56, Polytropon wrote: > > So at the moment, I have this (as explained in the documentation): > > In /boot/loader.conf: > > drm_load="YES" Not saying that it will improve anything:-), but I believe you should drop this - it will load /boot/kernel/drm.ko, which I believe is causing the "This code is obsolete abandonware" message that you reported earlier, and possibly other errors that you are seeing. $ strings /boot/kernel/drm.ko | grep abandon This code is obsolete abandonware. Install the graphics/drm-legacy-kmod pkg > In /etc/rc.conf: > > kld_list="amdgpu" This module is from the drm*kmod port/package, installed in /boot/modules - I believe (at least this is the case with i915kms) it will in turn cause /boot/modules/drm.ko (also from the port, and *not* "abandonware":-) rather than /boot/kernel/drm.ko to be loaded - provided that you haven't already loaded /boot/kernel/drm.ko... --Per From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 1 20:13:49 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2FE2F11AD for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 20:13:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49bRFm2zNkz4dRc for ; 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dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.133) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.63 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.39)[-0.386]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.12.46.193:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.65)[0.654]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.96)[0.964]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.133:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.133:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2020 20:13:49 -0000 On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 21:09:04 +0200, Emmanuel Vadot wrote: > On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 20:56:59 +0200 > Polytropon wrote: > > > So at the moment, I have this (as explained in the documentation): > > > > In /boot/loader.conf: > > > > drm_load="YES" > > That won't work. > > > In /etc/rc.conf: > > > > kld_list="amdgpu" > > This should be enough to have drm.ko loaded as a dependency. I will comment out the setting in /boot/loader.conf. Currently I have the following (interesting) modules: # kldstat Id Refs Address Size Name 1 47 0xffffffff80200000 2448f20 kernel [...] 4 1 0xffffffff82821000 250464 amdgpu.ko <--- 5 2 0xffffffff82a72000 76570 drm.ko <--- 6 5 0xffffffff82ae9000 10eb0 linuxkpi.ko 7 4 0xffffffff82afa000 12f30 linuxkpi_gplv2.ko [...] So those seem to be loaded correctly. After reboot, the result is the same: drm.ko has been loaded automatically. Thanks for that particular pointer, no need to explicitely order things that will be automatically ordered anyway. :-) > If you have no /dev/dri and no /dev/drm it means that the drm modules > wasn't loaded. > Look in dmesg for errors and also try to "kldload amdgpu" or "kldload > radeonkms" depending on your GPU. I have /dev/drm/{0...255} owned by root:video (with rw for the group, which the user is a member of). The "kldstat" output shows that at least drm.ko and amdgpu.ko have been loaded. I do _not_ have /dev/dri (and card0 therein), which is what Xorg.0.log seems to complain about. In the "dmesg" output, the following entry is relevant: [drm] amdgpu kernel modesetting enabled. So this part probably is complete. The laptop HP dm-1 contains a 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' model 'Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310]', as reported by "pciconf -lv". I have to admit that I'm confused by the "amdgpu" vs. "radeon" vs. "ati" naming and drivers stuff, though... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 1 20:24:56 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4532F13D6 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 20:24:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49bRVb27r7z4fd0 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 20:24:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.46.193]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1M1HuU-1jic98448g-002mPL; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 22:24:53 +0200 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 22:24:52 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Per Hedeland Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Keyboard and mouse not working after X update Message-Id: <20200601222452.52e4c3c1.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20200531214105.2caed717.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200531231731.85ee6d3d.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:F/Z7tMqTSW/UL8j10Dw/429nuUozb4kjigXa5w3bHgS39SKZdX3 kaqgvfAZVJJqUoc2xrmhhUOzEBSRE4F69sZGAVbcCmxTWcon2m4orkuT6uzmWbGQ+C52ktV r0saboIn8AfwIkFhTchYtb+5cLmrgMpI2xkSBD8SWv2pCvpbJw2rLta0yf4taFuCRj/+43N j/uv8Ku7d5a7+hfAtfqYg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:u8FAqZ/t8Us=:vKEMB9Fut0qo+fceqanvu7 ZfE/E7YTjwvmZPMEPn4Gb8KCNtM6Raec8ynJTuNBskK0ILJTr5LCpp0WW3R2HNfeGckvkozYJ +jxaY9edm8n/VnM3bBrT4ZdsKFJiOP1+rIRFbSHJhZw4wuOlZ6xOwZT/BShPwu9aKSAk8XDWI IbZUVPPuK4XABQ1O9umPsLi9WlUCqSxQ7ZOJF6+uOWkcqE6l6WZpN4smQJiVC+Yd+i2l4wk6X EVUVnZ8XV9aLiJGC8XmnfyqvIVBSYCLIqWxJV7ppn996PdHXYxJlVxV12FQWUs1oFwoYMvEBD ptkv97vUym04El3r+U9FO2EuaPZAUMM0msRCpPxDHjwiOACQDH5BPc0jb90NMQpi6eJ6uyj+Q shY3zJiBq3Av93FrYKnm9hixgeeURcNZ19/infX6qdaodu1U2jJQPEEzErqPTH5iH/zyDkiL/ jx59+UYGonYRISJNNIRRVhet6xgZ4c3fRoX3MeKoB2/wWlPZ79W9yy04Qxwwnuq22On//Besa gQV2VD7fnYqWQ0Qm3GfEewNf30Xc/2f6Y2ewaJKDjoKeBVDLC66JK5HEOr4rdRmD2E5kXKuqw 2+LKvvj5zEj2NiMbZTG2FVxEcW9Pt59kEnGuW8awaZVz0PC/xxHG6LDL66GjXRMnx+RR0VcYO 6DaIfOuUw9u3unFbNq6wD/1x8diioFF5OJJT8SI3A/lkoJzIlG0bYNyQW2fpjMihgvIeDK8SD giE5THEL19liTwNva2afVi/zbkxxgLQvgVEHuSf2UASldypOBO3gTi7W0prTwJfQPup60RrEm sRgaXxsZVLSzlMTY1UKErw1TkJK7ToWAUDr0w9e8qlkCqINf8PtI7KaX7zaN0Y+ZT6ps/KV X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49bRVb27r7z4fd0 X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.135) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.48 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.38)[-0.379]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.12.46.193:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.44)[0.440]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.02)[1.016]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.135:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.135:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2020 20:24:56 -0000 On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 21:40:24 +0200, Per Hedeland wrote: > On 2020-05-31 23:17, Polytropon wrote: > > > > I can get only 60 fps in "glxgears" (5600 on my old home PC from 2007). > > At least for me (and many others according to google), it initially says: > > Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be > approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate. > > I.e. 60 fps (I get the same) is probably correct. Unfortunately the > only way to find out how to make it *not* be "synchronized to the > vertical refresh" seems to be google (or the source, probably). Try > > $ env vblank_mode=0 glxgears > > (I get 7100+ fps with that.) With or without that environmental setting, I now get about 260 FPS (the setting doesn't seem to change anything), which already is an improvement using the "amdgpu" kernel module. Still I'm not sure if my X still runs on VESA - seems like it; the log file contains: [ 237.685] (II) LoadModule: "ati" [ 237.688] (WW) Warning, couldn't open module ati [ 237.688] (EE) Failed to load module "ati" (module does not exist, 0) [ 237.688] (II) LoadModule: "modesetting" [ 237.688] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/modesetting_drv.so [...] [ 237.691] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/scfb_drv.so [...] [ 237.692] (II) LoadModule: "vesa" [...] [ 237.693] (II) modesetting: Driver for Modesetting Kernel Drivers: kms [ 237.698] (II) UnloadModule: "modesetting" And then lots of VESA information. I thought that "amdgpu" is now the correct driver name? I have the kernel module installed and loaded, I have the X drivers package installed (xf86-video-amdgpu), so shouldn't there be at least _some_ little evidence that this driver has been loaded, in the log file? As I said, when I install xf86-video-ati, after "startx" I only get a black screen. The names "amdgpu" / "radeon" / "ati" more or less seem to mean the same, but are totally different in what they are to be used for. This is very confusing... :-/ Sidenote: On my el-cheapo Aldi home PC with nVidia graphics I get approx. 5200 FPS in "glxgears". -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Yes, it works when it's not explicitely listed in /boot/loader.conf; no abandonware messages. :-) > > In /etc/rc.conf: > > > > kld_list="amdgpu" > > This module is from the drm*kmod port/package, installed in > /boot/modules - I believe (at least this is the case with i915kms) it > will in turn cause /boot/modules/drm.ko (also from the port, and *not* > "abandonware":-) rather than /boot/kernel/drm.ko to be loaded - > provided that you haven't already loaded /boot/kernel/drm.ko... Correct, and confirmed: # kldstat -v | grep "/boot/modules" 4 1 0xffffffff82821000 250464 amdgpu.ko (/boot/modules/amdgpu.ko) 5 2 0xffffffff82a72000 76570 drm.ko (/boot/modules/drm.ko) 7 4 0xffffffff82afa000 12f30 linuxkpi_gplv2.ko (/boot/modules/linuxkpi_gplv2.ko) 8 2 0xffffffff82b0d000 6d0 debugfs.ko (/boot/modules/debugfs.ko) 9 1 0xffffffff82b0e000 f181 ttm.ko (/boot/modules/ttm.ko) So from the kernel module and installed packages perspective, everything seems to be in place. Remaining question: Why does X still use VESA? And what is that "modesetting" driver that gets loaded and unloaded? X is complicated. Maybe nobody knows. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 1 20:43:27 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DFB2F1A2F for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 20:43:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) Received: from mx.blih.net (mx.blih.net [212.83.155.74]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx.blih.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49bRvy6W70z3SgH for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 20:43:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bidouilliste.com; s=mx; t=1591044204; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=ofgKT/KGIBVTB4MjpXMMjb4NYkweIS9o4sKrMiMPt4s=; b=dH6sFG781SLT/XuQJ0DfxEzGatgpcQ2CntPmnzhNn+4pgwhO7+i4RyChSgL9tEp4ZJ9HZs GwAI0yduXP+WZxW1SlU+xQ5tvjN9VVQ6XL0U2tva65OyNnC61AIn1S0UXTCkilbhJzkuX9 2HUxz/pZfsBd1z2vnXS9Fr3lYbUpSgQ= Received: from amy.home (lfbn-idf2-1-900-181.w86-238.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.238.131.181]) by mx.blih.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 031d0b19 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Mon, 1 Jun 2020 20:43:24 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 22:43:24 +0200 From: Emmanuel Vadot To: Polytropon Cc: Tomasz CEDRO , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Keyboard and mouse not working after X update Message-Id: <20200601224324.af8aecf82db7ad2b5efb4679@bidouilliste.com> In-Reply-To: <20200601221334.c9486a27.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20200531214105.2caed717.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200531231731.85ee6d3d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200601001117.f7075d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200601205659.fac089c3.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200601210904.26383caf62c0cb59f4a2b68a@bidouilliste.com> <20200601221334.c9486a27.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49bRvy6W70z3SgH X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bidouilliste.com header.s=mx header.b=dH6sFG78; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=bidouilliste.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of manu@bidouilliste.com designates 212.83.155.74 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=manu@bidouilliste.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.67 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bidouilliste.com:s=mx]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.009]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bidouilliste.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[bidouilliste.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.18)[-0.177]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.984]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12876, ipnet:212.83.128.0/19, country:FR]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2020 20:43:28 -0000 On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 22:13:34 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 21:09:04 +0200, Emmanuel Vadot wrote: > > On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 20:56:59 +0200 > > Polytropon wrote: > > > > > So at the moment, I have this (as explained in the documentation): > > > > > > In /boot/loader.conf: > > > > > > drm_load="YES" > > > > That won't work. > > > > > In /etc/rc.conf: > > > > > > kld_list="amdgpu" > > > > This should be enough to have drm.ko loaded as a dependency. > > I will comment out the setting in /boot/loader.conf. Currently > I have the following (interesting) modules: > > # kldstat > Id Refs Address Size Name > 1 47 0xffffffff80200000 2448f20 kernel > [...] > 4 1 0xffffffff82821000 250464 amdgpu.ko <--- > 5 2 0xffffffff82a72000 76570 drm.ko <--- > 6 5 0xffffffff82ae9000 10eb0 linuxkpi.ko > 7 4 0xffffffff82afa000 12f30 linuxkpi_gplv2.ko > [...] > > So those seem to be loaded correctly. > > After reboot, the result is the same: drm.ko has been loaded > automatically. Thanks for that particular pointer, no need to > explicitely order things that will be automatically ordered > anyway. :-) > > > > > If you have no /dev/dri and no /dev/drm it means that the drm modules > > wasn't loaded. > > Look in dmesg for errors and also try to "kldload amdgpu" or "kldload > > radeonkms" depending on your GPU. > > I have /dev/drm/{0...255} owned by root:video (with rw for the > group, which the user is a member of). The "kldstat" output > shows that at least drm.ko and amdgpu.ko have been loaded. > > I do _not_ have /dev/dri (and card0 therein), which is what > Xorg.0.log seems to complain about. That really weird and I don't really see how that can happen. Can you share the full dmesg please ? > In the "dmesg" output, the following entry is relevant: > > [drm] amdgpu kernel modesetting enabled. > > So this part probably is complete. > > The laptop HP dm-1 contains a 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' > model 'Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310]', as reported by "pciconf -lv". > I have to admit that I'm confused by the "amdgpu" vs. "radeon" > vs. "ati" naming and drivers stuff, though... It is confusing yes. Basically radeonkms is for old card up to Sea Island generation while amdgpu is for newer card (but also work for both Southern Island and Sea Island) Using https://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/#radeongraphicscomputehardware if you have a >=GFX8 core use amdgpu. If you have a GFX6 or GFX7 core use either amdgpu or radeonkms depending on the result. Otherwise use radeonkms. And that might explain why you don't have /dev/dri as you should use radeonkms. So the drm module will create the /dev/drm/ nodes but as no driver registered no /dev/dri node is created. 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Yep because that's why you're seeing such low performance from glxgears. > And what is that "modesetting" driver that > gets loaded and unloaded? Good question - I thought it was the X end of kms but clearly not since it gets loaded and unloaded for me too and everything driver related is reported as 'intel' in Xorg.0.log. I run with no config at all apart from the kld_list in rc.conf. > X is complicated. Maybe nobody knows. :-) I understood X11R5 well enough to get it going on a box with no TCP stack, no shared memory support and no streams or sockets[guess first then see 1] - also a development environment where make had a line length limit too short for several of the Makefiles. I did cheer when an X appeared and followed the mouse, even more when I tortured the 1MB video card into giving me the resolution I wanted. The current iteration of Xorg and DRI/DRM is mostly black magic to me, but when it cooperates it is impressive. 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RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.130:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2020 21:40:43 -0000 On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 22:43:24 +0200, Emmanuel Vadot wrote: > On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 22:13:34 +0200 > Polytropon wrote: > > > On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 21:09:04 +0200, Emmanuel Vadot wrote: > > > On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 20:56:59 +0200 > > > Polytropon wrote: > > > > > > > So at the moment, I have this (as explained in the documentation): > > > > > > > > In /boot/loader.conf: > > > > > > > > drm_load="YES" > > > > > > That won't work. > > > > > > > In /etc/rc.conf: > > > > > > > > kld_list="amdgpu" > > > > > > This should be enough to have drm.ko loaded as a dependency. > > > > I will comment out the setting in /boot/loader.conf. Currently > > I have the following (interesting) modules: > > > > # kldstat > > Id Refs Address Size Name > > 1 47 0xffffffff80200000 2448f20 kernel > > [...] > > 4 1 0xffffffff82821000 250464 amdgpu.ko <--- > > 5 2 0xffffffff82a72000 76570 drm.ko <--- > > 6 5 0xffffffff82ae9000 10eb0 linuxkpi.ko > > 7 4 0xffffffff82afa000 12f30 linuxkpi_gplv2.ko > > [...] > > > > So those seem to be loaded correctly. > > > > After reboot, the result is the same: drm.ko has been loaded > > automatically. Thanks for that particular pointer, no need to > > explicitely order things that will be automatically ordered > > anyway. :-) > > > > > > > > > If you have no /dev/dri and no /dev/drm it means that the drm modules > > > wasn't loaded. > > > Look in dmesg for errors and also try to "kldload amdgpu" or "kldload > > > radeonkms" depending on your GPU. > > > > I have /dev/drm/{0...255} owned by root:video (with rw for the > > group, which the user is a member of). The "kldstat" output > > shows that at least drm.ko and amdgpu.ko have been loaded. > > > > I do _not_ have /dev/dri (and card0 therein), which is what > > Xorg.0.log seems to complain about. > > That really weird and I don't really see how that can happen. > Can you share the full dmesg please ? > > > In the "dmesg" output, the following entry is relevant: > > > > [drm] amdgpu kernel modesetting enabled. > > > > So this part probably is complete. > > > > The laptop HP dm-1 contains a 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' > > model 'Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310]', as reported by "pciconf -lv". > > I have to admit that I'm confused by the "amdgpu" vs. "radeon" > > vs. "ati" naming and drivers stuff, though... > > It is confusing yes. Basically radeonkms is for old card up to > Sea Island generation while amdgpu is for newer card (but also work for > both Southern Island and Sea Island) Okay, as this machine is already "quite old", I should probably not use amdgpu, even though it "somehow works". :-) > Using > https://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/#radeongraphicscomputehardware > > if you have a >=GFX8 core use amdgpu. > If you have a GFX6 or GFX7 core use either amdgpu or radeonkms > depending on the result. > Otherwise use radeonkms. The graphics card in the HP Pavilion dm-1 laptop is the following: vgapci0@pci0:0:1:0: class=0x030000 card=0x1611103c chip=0x98021002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310]' class = display subclass = VGA >From the X.org resource, "Wrestler" is GFX4, and it is supposed to support OpenGL 4 (so no need for a software renderer). As seen in my previous posts, X tried to load "ati" driver, but when I installed it, I just got a black screen; the "ati" driver is not compatible with the "amdgpu" kernel module. So many moving parts. It's like herding cats... :-) > And that might explain why you don't have /dev/dri as you should use > radeonkms. So the drm module will create the /dev/drm/ nodes but as no > driver registered no /dev/dri node is created. And for X, will I need the xf86-video-ati driver package, or should the built-in "modesetting" miracle do the trick? I'm still unable to understand the new "graphics stack"... In addition to "what graphics hardware do I have", the next important question is "how old is the graphics hardware", which guides the choice for software components (kernel modules, how to activate them, and X driver). This is of course not comparable to the past when you had an ATI card, you installed the ATI driver for X, and all things worked. ;-) > Please share the full pciconf -lv so I can confirm. Of course. Now with the xf86-video-ati drivers installed again, in combination with radeonkms, per /etc/rc.conf: kld_list="/boot/modules/radeonkms.ko" and present in kldstat as: 4 1 0xffffffff82821000 152fd0 radeonkms.ko <--- 5 2 0xffffffff82974000 76570 drm.ko <--- 6 5 0xffffffff829eb000 10eb0 linuxkpi.ko 7 4 0xffffffff829fc000 12f30 linuxkpi_gplv2.ko 8 2 0xffffffff82a0f000 6d0 debugfs.ko 9 1 0xffffffff82a10000 f181 ttm.ko 10 1 0xffffffff82a20000 12f3 radeon_PALM_pfp_bin.ko 11 1 0xffffffff82a22000 16f1 radeon_PALM_me_bin.ko 12 1 0xffffffff82a24000 d73 radeon_SUMO_rlc_bin.ko 13 1 0xffffffff82a25000 32293 radeon_SUMO_uvd_bin.ko It now seems to work in X. Testing with "glxgears" again is only 60 FPS, except when I use this: % setenv vblank_mode 0 % glxgears I get almost 1300 FPS, which is much better. Also "glxinfo" now reports direct rendering as "yes", and "xdriinfo" also reports screen as "r600", and I can query further options. In the X log file, no error (EE) messages, only a few warnings (WW): [ 19.749] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for modesetting [ 19.749] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for scfb [ 19.749] (WW) VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no multi-card support [ 20.768] (WW) RADEON(0): 3 ZaphodHeads crtcs unavailable. Some outputs will stay off. It also seems that I could get rid of VESA, but "modesetting" is not available - instead the "radeon" driver from the "ati" is now in action: [ 20.778] (II) UnloadModule: "modesetting" [ 20.778] (II) UnloadModule: "scfb" [ 20.778] (II) UnloadModule: "vesa" Thank you! This now seems to _fully_ work. For future reference, I will add the requested system data. The system is a HP Pavilion dm-1 F.12 laptop from 2011, running FreeBSD 12.1-p5 amd64, everything else works, too (wireless, LAN, webcam, HDMI, etc.). Great! =^_^= ********** dmesg ********** ---<>--- Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE-p5 GENERIC amd64 FreeBSD clang version 8.0.1 (tags/RELEASE_801/final 366581) (based on LLVM 8.0.1) VT(vga): resolution 640x480 CPU: AMD E-350 Processor (1596.04-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin="AuthenticAMD" Id=0x500f10 Family=0x14 Model=0x1 Stepping=0 Features=0x178bfbff Features2=0x802209 AMD Features=0x2e500800 AMD Features2=0x35ff SVM: NP,NRIP,NAsids=8 TSC: P-state invariant, performance statistics real memory = 4294967296 (4096 MB) avail memory = 3699724288 (3528 MB) Event timer "LAPIC" quality 600 ACPI APIC Table: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 2 core(s) random: unblocking device. ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 4 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard Launching APs: 1 Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1596035637 Hz quality 800 Cuse v0.1.36 @ /dev/cuse random: entropy device external interface kbd1 at kbdmux0 000.000024 [4335] netmap_init netmap: loaded module [ath_hal] loaded module_register_init: MOD_LOAD (vesa, 0xffffffff8112e0f0, 0) error 19 nexus0 vtvga0: on motherboard cryptosoft0: on motherboard acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) cpu0: on acpi0 hpet0: iomem 0xfed00000-0xfed003ff irq 0,8 on acpi0 Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 950 Event timer "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 550 Event timer "HPET1" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 450 atrtc0: port 0x70-0x71 on acpi0 atrtc0: registered as a time-of-day clock, resolution 1.000000s Event timer "RTC" frequency 32768 Hz quality 0 attimer0: port 0x40-0x43 on acpi0 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 Event timer "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 100 Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 900 acpi_timer0: <32-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x408-0x40b on acpi0 acpi_ec0: port 0x62,0x66 on acpi0 acpi_button0: on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 vgapci0: port 0x3000-0x30ff mem 0xe0000000-0xefffffff,0xf0200000-0xf023ffff irq 18 at device 1.0 on pci0 vgapci0: Boot video device hdac0: mem 0xf0244000-0xf0247fff irq 19 at device 1.1 on pci0 pcib1: at device 4.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 re0: port 0x2000-0x20ff mem 0xf0004000-0xf0004fff,0xf0000000-0xf0003fff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci1 re0: Using 1 MSI-X message re0: turning off MSI enable bit. re0: ASPM disabled re0: Chip rev. 0x2c000000 re0: MAC rev. 0x00200000 miibus0: on re0 rgephy0: PHY 1 on miibus0 rgephy0: none, 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 10baseT-FDX-flow, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 100baseTX-FDX-flow, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-master, 1000baseT-FDX, 1000baseT-FDX-master, 1000baseT-FDX-flow, 1000baseT-FDX-flow-master, auto, auto-flow re0: Using defaults for TSO: 65518/35/2048 re0: Ethernet address: 2c:27:d7:aa:d7:98 re0: netmap queues/slots: TX 1/256, RX 1/256 pcib2: at device 5.0 on pci0 pci2: on pcib2 ral0: mem 0xf0100000-0xf010ffff irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci2 ral0: MAC/BBP RT5390 (rev 0x0502), RF RT5390 (MIMO 1T1R), address c0:f8:da:66:49:82 ahci0: port 0x3118-0x311f,0x3124-0x3127,0x3110-0x3117,0x3120-0x3123,0x3100-0x310f mem 0xf024e000-0xf024e3ff irq 19 at device 17.0 on pci0 ahci0: AHCI v1.20 with 1 6Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported ahci0: quirks=0x22000 ahcich0: at channel 0 on ahci0 ohci0: mem 0xf024d000-0xf024dfff irq 18 at device 18.0 on pci0 usbus0 on ohci0 usbus0: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 ehci0: mem 0xf024c000-0xf024c0ff irq 17 at device 18.2 on pci0 usbus1: EHCI version 1.0 usbus1 on ehci0 usbus1: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 ohci1: mem 0xf024b000-0xf024bfff irq 18 at device 19.0 on pci0 usbus2 on ohci1 usbus2: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 ehci1: mem 0xf024a000-0xf024a0ff irq 17 at device 19.2 on pci0 usbus3: EHCI version 1.0 usbus3 on ehci1 usbus3: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 hdac1: mem 0xf0240000-0xf0243fff irq 16 at device 20.2 on pci0 isab0: at device 20.3 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pcib3: at device 20.4 on pci0 pci3: on pcib3 ohci2: mem 0xf0249000-0xf0249fff irq 18 at device 22.0 on pci0 usbus4 on ohci2 usbus4: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 ehci2: mem 0xf0248000-0xf02480ff irq 17 at device 22.2 on pci0 usbus5: EHCI version 1.0 usbus5 on ehci2 usbus5: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 battery0: on acpi0 acpi_acad0: on acpi0 acpi_lid0: on acpi0 acpi_tz0: on acpi0 acpi_tz0: _ACx value is absurd, ignored (-273.1C) atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 hwpstate0: on cpu0 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec hdacc0: at cad 0 on hdac0 hdaa0: ada0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 ada0: ACS-3 ATA SATA 3.x device ada0: Serial Number 50026B738043E958 ada0: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 512bytes) ada0: Command Queueing enabled ada0: 228936MB (468862128 512 byte sectors) at nid 1 on hdacc0 acpi_tz0: _ACx value is absurd, ignored (-273.1C) pcm0: at nid 3 on hdaa0 hdacc1: at cad 0 on hdac1 hdaa1: at nid 1 on hdacc1 pcm1: at nid 13,11 and 12 on hdaa1 pcm2: at nid 17 on hdaa1 ugen4.1: at usbus4 ugen5.1: at usbus5 uhub0: on usbus4 uhub1: on usbus5 ugen3.1: at usbus3 ugen1.1: at usbus1 uhub3: on usbus1 uhub2: on usbus3 ugen2.1: at usbus2 ugen0.1: at usbus0 uhub5: on usbus0 uhub4: on usbus2 Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ada0p2 [rw]... uhub0: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered uhub5: 5 ports with 5 removable, self powered uhub4: 5 ports with 5 removable, self powered uhub1: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered [drm] amdgpu kernel modesetting enabled. uhub3: 5 ports with 5 removable, self powered uhub2: 5 ports with 5 removable, self powered wlan0: Ethernet address: c0:f8:da:66:49:82 lo0: link state changed to UP ugen4.2: at usbus4 re0: link state changed to DOWN ugen3.2: at usbus3 ugen3.3: at usbus3 umass0 on uhub2 umass0: on usbus3 umass0: SCSI over Bulk-Only; quirks = 0x4000 umass0:1:0: Attached to scbus1 intsmb0: at device 20.0 on pci0 smbus0: on intsmb0 ubt0 on uhub0 ubt0: on usbus4 re0: link state changed to UP WARNING: attempt to domain_add(bluetooth) after domainfinalize() WARNING: attempt to domain_add(netgraph) after domainfinalize() da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0 da0: Removable Direct Access SCSI device da0: Serial Number 20090516388200000 da0: 40.000MB/s transfers da0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present da0: quirks=0x2 Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process `vnlru' to stop... done Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process `syncer' to stop... Syncing disks, vnodes remaining... 1 0 done Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system thread `bufdaemon' to stop... done Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system thread `bufspacedaemon-0' to stop... done Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system thread `bufspacedaemon-1' to stop... done All buffers synced. Uptime: 8m16s ubt0: detached umass0: detached ugen2.2: at usbus2 ugen2.3: at usbus2 umass0 on uhub4 umass0: on usbus2 umass0: SCSI over Bulk-Only; quirks = 0x4000 umass0:1:0: Attached to scbus1 (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 00 00 00 24 00 (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): CAM status: CCB request completed with an error (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): Retrying command, 3 more tries remain (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 00 00 00 24 00 (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): CAM status: CCB request completed with an error (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): Retrying command, 2 more tries remain (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 00 00 00 24 00 (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): CAM status: CCB request completed with an error (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): Retrying command, 1 more tries remain (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 00 00 00 24 00 (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): CAM status: CCB request completed with an error (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): Retrying command, 0 more tries remain (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 00 00 00 24 00 (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): CAM status: CCB request completed with an error (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): Error 5, Retries exhausted umass0: detached re0: link state changed to DOWN re0: link state changed to UP ---<>--- Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE-p5 GENERIC amd64 FreeBSD clang version 8.0.1 (tags/RELEASE_801/final 366581) (based on LLVM 8.0.1) VT(vga): resolution 640x480 CPU: AMD E-350 Processor (1596.04-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin="AuthenticAMD" Id=0x500f10 Family=0x14 Model=0x1 Stepping=0 Features=0x178bfbff Features2=0x802209 AMD Features=0x2e500800 AMD Features2=0x35ff SVM: NP,NRIP,NAsids=8 TSC: P-state invariant, performance statistics real memory = 4294967296 (4096 MB) avail memory = 3699724288 (3528 MB) Event timer "LAPIC" quality 600 ACPI APIC Table: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 2 core(s) random: unblocking device. ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 4 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard Launching APs: 1 Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1596036360 Hz quality 800 Cuse v0.1.36 @ /dev/cuse random: entropy device external interface kbd1 at kbdmux0 000.000024 [4335] netmap_init netmap: loaded module [ath_hal] loaded module_register_init: MOD_LOAD (vesa, 0xffffffff8112e0f0, 0) error 19 nexus0 vtvga0: on motherboard cryptosoft0: on motherboard acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) cpu0: on acpi0 hpet0: iomem 0xfed00000-0xfed003ff irq 0,8 on acpi0 Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 950 Event timer "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 550 Event timer "HPET1" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 450 atrtc0: port 0x70-0x71 on acpi0 atrtc0: registered as a time-of-day clock, resolution 1.000000s Event timer "RTC" frequency 32768 Hz quality 0 attimer0: port 0x40-0x43 on acpi0 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 Event timer "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 100 Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 900 acpi_timer0: <32-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x408-0x40b on acpi0 acpi_ec0: port 0x62,0x66 on acpi0 acpi_button0: on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 vgapci0: port 0x3000-0x30ff mem 0xe0000000-0xefffffff,0xf0200000-0xf023ffff irq 18 at device 1.0 on pci0 vgapci0: Boot video device hdac0: mem 0xf0244000-0xf0247fff irq 19 at device 1.1 on pci0 pcib1: at device 4.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 re0: port 0x2000-0x20ff mem 0xf0004000-0xf0004fff,0xf0000000-0xf0003fff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci1 re0: Using 1 MSI-X message re0: turning off MSI enable bit. re0: ASPM disabled re0: Chip rev. 0x2c000000 re0: MAC rev. 0x00200000 miibus0: on re0 rgephy0: PHY 1 on miibus0 rgephy0: none, 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 10baseT-FDX-flow, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 100baseTX-FDX-flow, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-master, 1000baseT-FDX, 1000baseT-FDX-master, 1000baseT-FDX-flow, 1000baseT-FDX-flow-master, auto, auto-flow re0: Using defaults for TSO: 65518/35/2048 re0: Ethernet address: 2c:27:d7:aa:d7:98 re0: netmap queues/slots: TX 1/256, RX 1/256 pcib2: at device 5.0 on pci0 pci2: on pcib2 ral0: mem 0xf0100000-0xf010ffff irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci2 ral0: MAC/BBP RT5390 (rev 0x0502), RF RT5390 (MIMO 1T1R), address c0:f8:da:66:49:82 ahci0: port 0x3118-0x311f,0x3124-0x3127,0x3110-0x3117,0x3120-0x3123,0x3100-0x310f mem 0xf024e000-0xf024e3ff irq 19 at device 17.0 on pci0 ahci0: AHCI v1.20 with 1 6Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported ahci0: quirks=0x22000 ahcich0: at channel 0 on ahci0 ohci0: mem 0xf024d000-0xf024dfff irq 18 at device 18.0 on pci0 usbus0 on ohci0 usbus0: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 ehci0: mem 0xf024c000-0xf024c0ff irq 17 at device 18.2 on pci0 usbus1: EHCI version 1.0 usbus1 on ehci0 usbus1: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 ohci1: mem 0xf024b000-0xf024bfff irq 18 at device 19.0 on pci0 usbus2 on ohci1 usbus2: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 ehci1: mem 0xf024a000-0xf024a0ff irq 17 at device 19.2 on pci0 usbus3: EHCI version 1.0 usbus3 on ehci1 usbus3: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 hdac1: mem 0xf0240000-0xf0243fff irq 16 at device 20.2 on pci0 isab0: at device 20.3 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pcib3: at device 20.4 on pci0 pci3: on pcib3 ohci2: mem 0xf0249000-0xf0249fff irq 18 at device 22.0 on pci0 usbus4 on ohci2 usbus4: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 ehci2: mem 0xf0248000-0xf02480ff irq 17 at device 22.2 on pci0 usbus5: EHCI version 1.0 usbus5 on ehci2 usbus5: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 battery0: on acpi0 acpi_acad0: on acpi0 acpi_lid0: on acpi0 acpi_tz0: on acpi0 acpi_tz0: _ACx value is absurd, ignored (-273.1C) atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 hwpstate0: on cpu0 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec hdacc0: at cad 0 on hdac0 hdaa0: ada0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 ada0: ACS-3 ATA SATA 3.x device ada0: Serial Number 50026B738043E958 ada0: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 512bytes) ada0: Command Queueing enabled ada0: 228936MB (468862128 512 byte sectors) at nid 1 on hdacc0 pcm0: at nid 3 on hdaa0 acpi_tz0: _ACx value is absurd, ignored (-273.1C) hdacc1: at cad 0 on hdac1 hdaa1: at nid 1 on hdacc1 pcm1: at nid 13,11 and 12 on hdaa1 pcm2: at nid 17 on hdaa1 ugen4.1: at usbus4 uhub0: ugen3.1: at usbus3 on usbus4 uhub1: on usbus3 ugen1.1: at usbus1 ugen0.1: at usbus0 uhub2: on usbus1 uhub3: on usbus0 ugen5.1: at usbus5 uhub4: on usbus5 ugen2.1: at usbus2 Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ada0p2 [rw]... uhub5: on usbus2 uhub0: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered uhub3: 5 ports with 5 removable, self powered uhub5: 5 ports with 5 removable, self powered uhub4: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered [drm] radeon kernel modesetting enabled. drmn0: on vgapci0 vgapci0: child drmn0 requested pci_enable_io vgapci0: child drmn0 requested pci_enable_io [drm] initializing kernel modesetting (PALM 0x1002:0x9802 0x103C:0x1611 0x00). [drm:radeon_device_init] Unable to find PCI I/O BAR [drm:radeon_atombios_init] Unable to find PCI I/O BAR; using MMIO for ATOM IIO ATOM BIOS: HP drmn0: VRAM: 384M 0x0000000000000000 - 0x0000000017FFFFFF (384M used) drmn0: GTT: 1024M 0x0000000018000000 - 0x0000000057FFFFFF Successfully added WC MTRR for [0xe0000000-0xefffffff]: 0; [drm] Detected VRAM RAM=384M, BAR=256M [drm] RAM width 32bits DDR [TTM] Zone kernel: Available graphics memory: 1869738 kiB [TTM] Initializing pool allocator [drm] radeon: 384M of VRAM memory ready [drm] radeon: 1024M of GTT memory ready. [drm] Loading PALM Microcode uhub2: 5 ports with 5 removable, self powered uhub1: 5 ports with 5 removable, self powered drmn0: successfully loaded firmware image with name: radeon/PALM_pfp.bin drmn0: successfully loaded firmware image with name: radeon/PALM_me.bin ugen3.2: at usbus3 ugen4.2: at usbus4 drmn0: successfully loaded firmware image with name: radeon/SUMO_rlc.bin [drm] Internal thermal controller without fan control [drm] Found smc ucode version: 0x00010200 [drm] radeon: dpm initialized ugen3.3: at usbus3 umass0 on uhub1 umass0: on usbus3 umass0: SCSI over Bulk-Only; quirks = 0x4000 umass0:1:0: Attached to scbus1 da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0 da0: Removable Direct Access SCSI device da0: Serial Number 20090516388200000 da0: 40.000MB/s transfers da0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present da0: quirks=0x2 drmn0: successfully loaded firmware image with name: radeon/SUMO_uvd.bin [drm] GART: num cpu pages 262144, num gpu pages 262144 [drm] PCIE GART of 1024M enabled (table at 0x0000000000162000). drmn0: WB enabled drmn0: fence driver on ring 0 use gpu addr 0x0000000018000c00 and cpu addr 0x0xfffff80005528c00 drmn0: fence driver on ring 3 use gpu addr 0x0000000018000c0c and cpu addr 0x0xfffff80005528c0c drmn0: fence driver on ring 5 use gpu addr 0x0000000000072118 and cpu addr 0x0xfffff800e0072118 [drm] Supports vblank timestamp caching Rev 2 (21.10.2013). [drm] Driver supports precise vblank timestamp query. drmn0: radeon: MSI limited to 32-bit drmn0: radeon: using MSI. [drm] radeon: irq initialized. [drm] ring test on 0 succeeded in 1 usecs [drm] ring test on 3 succeeded in 3 usecs [drm] ring test on 5 succeeded in 1 usecs [drm] UVD initialized successfully. [drm] ib test on ring 0 succeeded in 0 usecs [drm] ib test on ring 3 succeeded in 0 usecs [drm] ib test on ring 5 succeeded [drm] Connector LVDS-1: get mode from tunables: [drm] - kern.vt.fb.modes.LVDS-1 [drm] - kern.vt.fb.default_mode [drm] Connector HDMI-A-1: get mode from tunables: [drm] - kern.vt.fb.modes.HDMI-A-1 [drm] - kern.vt.fb.default_mode [drm] Connector VGA-1: get mode from tunables: [drm] - kern.vt.fb.modes.VGA-1 [drm] - kern.vt.fb.default_mode [drm] radeon atom DIG backlight initialized [drm] Radeon Display Connectors [drm] Connector 0: [drm] LVDS-1 [drm] HPD1 [drm] DDC: 0x6430 0x6430 0x6434 0x6434 0x6438 0x6438 0x643c 0x643c [drm] Encoders: [drm] LCD1: INTERNAL_UNIPHY [drm] Connector 1: [drm] HDMI-A-1 [drm] HPD2 [drm] DDC: 0x6440 0x6440 0x6444 0x6444 0x6448 0x6448 0x644c 0x644c [drm] Encoders: [drm] DFP1: INTERNAL_UNIPHY [drm] Connector 2: [drm] VGA-1 [drm] DDC: 0x64d8 0x64d8 0x64dc 0x64dc 0x64e0 0x64e0 0x64e4 0x64e4 [drm] Encoders: [drm] CRT1: INTERNAL_KLDSCP_DAC1 [drm] fb mappable at 0xE0366000 [drm] vram apper at 0xE0000000 [drm] size 4325376 [drm] fb depth is 24 [drm] pitch is 5632 VT: Replacing driver "vga" with new "fb". start FB_INFO: type=11 height=768 width=1366 depth=32 cmsize=16 size=4325376 pbase=0xe0366000 vbase=0xfffff800e0366000 name=drmn0 flags=0x0 stride=5632 bpp=32 cmap[0]=0 cmap[1]=7f0000 cmap[2]=7f00 cmap[3]=c4a000 end FB_INFO drmn0: fb0: radeondrmfb frame buffer device [drm] Initialized radeon 2.50.0 20080528 for drmn0 on minor 0 wlan0: Ethernet address: c0:f8:da:66:49:82 lo0: link state changed to UP re0: link state changed to DOWN re0: link state changed to UP intsmb0: at device 20.0 on pci0 smbus0: on intsmb0 ubt0 on uhub0 ubt0: on usbus4 WARNING: attempt to domain_add(bluetooth) after domainfinalize() WARNING: attempt to domain_add(netgraph) after domainfinalize() ********** dmesg ********** end ********** ********** pciconf -lv ********** hostb0@pci0:0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x15101022 chip=0x15101022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 14h Processor Root Complex' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI vgapci0@pci0:0:1:0: class=0x030000 card=0x1611103c chip=0x98021002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310]' class = display subclass = VGA hdac0@pci0:0:1:1: class=0x040300 card=0x1611103c chip=0x13141002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'Wrestler HDMI Audio' class = multimedia subclass = HDA pcib1@pci0:0:4:0: class=0x060400 card=0x12341022 chip=0x15121022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 14h Processor Root Port' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib2@pci0:0:5:0: class=0x060400 card=0x12341022 chip=0x15131022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 14h Processor Root Port' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI ahci0@pci0:0:17:0: class=0x010601 card=0x1611103c chip=0x43911002 rev=0x40 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 SATA Controller [AHCI mode]' class = mass storage subclass = SATA ohci0@pci0:0:18:0: class=0x0c0310 card=0x1611103c chip=0x43971002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB ehci0@pci0:0:18:2: class=0x0c0320 card=0x1611103c chip=0x43961002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB ohci1@pci0:0:19:0: class=0x0c0310 card=0x1611103c chip=0x43971002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB ehci1@pci0:0:19:2: class=0x0c0320 card=0x1611103c chip=0x43961002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB intsmb0@pci0:0:20:0: class=0x0c0500 card=0x1611103c chip=0x43851002 rev=0x42 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'SBx00 SMBus Controller' class = serial bus subclass = SMBus hdac1@pci0:0:20:2: class=0x040300 card=0x1611103c chip=0x43831002 rev=0x40 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)' class = multimedia subclass = HDA isab0@pci0:0:20:3: class=0x060100 card=0x1611103c chip=0x439d1002 rev=0x40 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 LPC host controller' class = bridge subclass = PCI-ISA pcib3@pci0:0:20:4: class=0x060401 card=0x00000000 chip=0x43841002 rev=0x40 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'SBx00 PCI to PCI Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI ohci2@pci0:0:22:0: class=0x0c0310 card=0x1611103c chip=0x43971002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB ehci2@pci0:0:22:2: class=0x0c0320 card=0x1611103c chip=0x43961002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' device = 'SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB hostb1@pci0:0:24:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x17001022 rev=0x43 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 12h/14h Processor Function 0' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb2@pci0:0:24:1: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x17011022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 12h/14h Processor Function 1' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb3@pci0:0:24:2: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x17021022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 12h/14h Processor Function 2' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb4@pci0:0:24:3: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x17031022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 12h/14h Processor Function 3' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb5@pci0:0:24:4: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x17041022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 12h/14h Processor Function 4' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb6@pci0:0:24:5: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x17181022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 12h/14h Processor Function 6' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb7@pci0:0:24:6: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x17161022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 12h/14h Processor Function 5' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb8@pci0:0:24:7: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x17191022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 12h/14h Processor Function 7' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI re0@pci0:1:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x1611103c chip=0x816810ec rev=0x06 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' device = 'RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller' class = network subclass = ethernet ral0@pci0:2:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x1637103c chip=0x539f1814 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Ralink corp.' device = 'RT5390 [802.11 b/g/n 1T1R G-band PCI Express Single Chip]' class = network ********** pciconf -lv ********** end ********** ********** /var/log/Xorg.0.log ********** [ 19.663] X.Org X Server 1.20.8 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 [ 19.663] Build Operating System: FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE-p5 amd64 [ 19.663] Current Operating System: FreeBSD ***REDACTED*** 12.1-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE-p5 GENERIC amd64 [ 19.664] Build Date: 14 May 2020 11:04:54AM [ 19.664] [ 19.664] Current version of pixman: 0.38.4 [ 19.664] Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. [ 19.664] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. [ 19.664] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Jun 1 22:15:55 2020 [ 19.671] (==) Using config directory: "/usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d" [ 19.671] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/local/share/X11/xorg.conf.d" [ 19.679] (==) No Layout section. Using the first Screen section. [ 19.680] (**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0) [ 19.680] (**) | |-->Monitor "" [ 19.681] (==) No monitor specified for screen "Screen0". Using a default monitor configuration. [ 19.681] (==) Automatically adding devices [ 19.681] (==) Automatically enabling devices [ 19.681] (==) Not automatically adding GPU devices [ 19.682] (==) Max clients allowed: 256, resource mask: 0x1fffff [ 19.693] (==) FontPath set to: /usr/local/share/fonts/misc/, /usr/local/share/fonts/TTF/, /usr/local/share/fonts/OTF/, /usr/local/share/fonts/Type1/, /usr/local/share/fonts/100dpi/, /usr/local/share/fonts/75dpi/, catalogue:/usr/local/etc/X11/fontpath.d [ 19.693] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/local/lib/xorg/modules" [ 19.693] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices. If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices. [ 19.693] (II) Loader magic: 0x42e020 [ 19.693] (II) Module ABI versions: [ 19.693] X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4 [ 19.693] X.Org Video Driver: 24.1 [ 19.693] X.Org XInput driver : 24.1 [ 19.693] X.Org Server Extension : 10.0 [ 19.694] (--) PCI:*(0@0:1:0) 1002:9802:103c:1611 rev 0, Mem @ 0xe0000000/268435456, 0xf0200000/262144, I/O @ 0x00003000/256, BIOS @ 0x????????/65536 [ 19.695] (II) LoadModule: "glx" [ 19.697] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so [ 19.722] (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 19.722] compiled for 1.20.8, module version = 1.0.0 [ 19.722] ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 10.0 [ 19.722] (==) Matched ati as autoconfigured driver 0 [ 19.722] (==) Matched modesetting as autoconfigured driver 1 [ 19.722] (==) Matched scfb as autoconfigured driver 2 [ 19.722] (==) Matched vesa as autoconfigured driver 3 [ 19.722] (==) Assigned the driver to the xf86ConfigLayout [ 19.722] (II) LoadModule: "ati" [ 19.722] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ati_drv.so [ 19.723] (II) Module ati: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 19.723] compiled for 1.20.8, module version = 19.1.0 [ 19.723] Module class: X.Org Video Driver [ 19.723] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 24.1 [ 19.724] (II) LoadModule: "radeon" [ 19.725] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so [ 19.735] (II) Module radeon: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 19.735] compiled for 1.20.8, module version = 19.1.0 [ 19.735] Module class: X.Org Video Driver [ 19.735] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 24.1 [ 19.735] (II) LoadModule: "modesetting" [ 19.736] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/modesetting_drv.so [ 19.737] (II) Module modesetting: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 19.737] compiled for 1.20.8, module version = 1.20.8 [ 19.737] Module class: X.Org Video Driver [ 19.737] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 24.1 [ 19.737] (II) LoadModule: "scfb" [ 19.738] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/scfb_drv.so [ 19.738] (II) Module scfb: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 19.738] compiled for 1.20.8, module version = 0.0.5 [ 19.738] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 24.1 [ 19.738] (II) LoadModule: "vesa" [ 19.739] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.so [ 19.740] (II) Module vesa: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 19.740] compiled for 1.20.8, module version = 2.4.0 [ 19.740] Module class: X.Org Video Driver [ 19.740] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 24.1 [ 19.740] (II) RADEON: Driver for ATI/AMD Radeon chipsets: ATI Radeon Mobility X600 (M24), ATI FireMV 2400, ATI Radeon Mobility X300 (M24), ATI FireGL M24 GL, ATI Radeon X600 (RV380), ATI FireGL V3200 (RV380), ATI Radeon IGP320 (A3), ATI Radeon IGP330/340/350 (A4), ATI Radeon 9500, ATI Radeon 9600TX, ATI FireGL Z1, ATI Radeon 9800SE, ATI Radeon 9800, ATI FireGL X2, ATI Radeon 9600, ATI Radeon 9600SE, ATI Radeon 9600XT, ATI FireGL T2, ATI Radeon 9650, ATI FireGL RV360, ATI Radeon 7000 IGP (A4+), ATI Radeon 8500 AIW, ATI Radeon IGP320M (U1), ATI Radeon IGP330M/340M/350M (U2), ATI Radeon Mobility 7000 IGP, ATI Radeon 9000/PRO, ATI Radeon 9000, ATI Radeon X800 (R420), ATI Radeon X800PRO (R420), ATI Radeon X800SE (R420), ATI FireGL X3 (R420), ATI Radeon Mobility 9800 (M18), ATI Radeon X800 SE (R420), ATI Radeon X800XT (R420), ATI Radeon X800 VE (R420), ATI Radeon X850 (R480), ATI Radeon X850 XT (R480), ATI Radeon X850 SE (R480), ATI Radeon X850 PRO (R480), ATI Radeon X850 XT PE (R480), ATI Radeon Mobility M7, ATI Mobility FireGL 7800 M7, ATI Radeon Mobility M6, ATI FireGL Mobility 9000 (M9), ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 (M9), ATI Radeon 9700 Pro, ATI Radeon 9700/9500Pro, ATI FireGL X1, ATI Radeon 9800PRO, ATI Radeon 9800XT, ATI Radeon Mobility 9600/9700 (M10/M11), ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M10), ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M11), ATI FireGL Mobility T2 (M10), ATI FireGL Mobility T2e (M11), ATI Radeon, ATI FireGL 8700/8800, ATI Radeon 8500, ATI Radeon 9100, ATI Radeon 7500, ATI Radeon VE/7000, ATI ES1000, ATI Radeon Mobility X300 (M22), ATI Radeon Mobility X600 SE (M24C), ATI FireGL M22 GL, ATI Radeon X800 (R423), ATI Radeon X800PRO (R423), ATI Radeon X800LE (R423), ATI Radeon X800SE (R423), ATI Radeon X800 XTP (R430), ATI Radeon X800 XL (R430), ATI Radeon X800 SE (R430), ATI Radeon X800 (R430), ATI FireGL V7100 (R423), ATI FireGL V5100 (R423), ATI FireGL unknown (R423), ATI Mobility FireGL V5000 (M26), ATI Mobility Radeon X700 XL (M26), ATI Mobility Radeon X700 (M26), ATI Radeon X550XTX, ATI Radeon 9100 IGP (A5), ATI Radeon Mobility 9100 IGP (U3), ATI Radeon XPRESS 200, ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M, ATI Radeon 9250, ATI Radeon 9200, ATI Radeon 9200SE, ATI FireMV 2200, ATI Radeon X300 (RV370), ATI Radeon X600 (RV370), ATI Radeon X550 (RV370), ATI FireGL V3100 (RV370), ATI FireMV 2200 PCIE (RV370), ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 (M9+), ATI Mobility Radeon X800 XT (M28), ATI Mobility FireGL V5100 (M28), ATI Mobility Radeon X800 (M28), ATI Radeon X850, ATI unknown Radeon / FireGL (R480), ATI Radeon X800XT (R423), ATI FireGL V5000 (RV410), ATI Radeon X700 XT (RV410), ATI Radeon X700 PRO (RV410), ATI Radeon X700 SE (RV410), ATI Radeon X700 (RV410), ATI Radeon X1800, ATI Mobility Radeon X1800 XT, ATI Mobility Radeon X1800, ATI Mobility FireGL V7200, ATI FireGL V7200, ATI FireGL V5300, ATI Mobility FireGL V7100, ATI FireGL V7300, ATI FireGL V7350, ATI Radeon X1600, ATI RV505, ATI Radeon X1300/X1550, ATI Radeon X1550, ATI M54-GL, ATI Mobility Radeon X1400, ATI Radeon X1550 64-bit, ATI Mobility Radeon X1300, ATI Radeon X1300, ATI FireGL V3300, ATI FireGL V3350, ATI Mobility Radeon X1450, ATI Mobility Radeon X2300, ATI Mobility Radeon X1350, ATI FireMV 2250, ATI Radeon X1650, ATI Mobility FireGL V5200, ATI Mobility Radeon X1600, ATI Radeon X1300 XT/X1600 Pro, ATI FireGL V3400, ATI Mobility FireGL V5250, ATI Mobility Radeon X1700, ATI Mobility Radeon X1700 XT, ATI FireGL V5200, ATI Radeon X2300HD, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2300, ATI Radeon X1950, ATI Radeon X1900, ATI AMD Stream Processor, ATI RV560, ATI Mobility Radeon X1900, ATI Radeon X1950 GT, ATI RV570, ATI FireGL V7400, ATI Radeon 9100 PRO IGP, ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 IGP, ATI Radeon X1200, ATI RS740, ATI RS740M, ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT, ATI Radeon HD 2900 Pro, ATI Radeon HD 2900 GT, ATI FireGL V8650, ATI FireGL V8600, ATI FireGL V7600, ATI Radeon 4800 Series, ATI Radeon HD 4870 x2, ATI Radeon HD 4850 x2, ATI FirePro V8750 (FireGL), ATI FirePro V7760 (FireGL), ATI Mobility RADEON HD 4850, ATI Mobility RADEON HD 4850 X2, ATI FirePro RV770, AMD FireStream 9270, AMD FireStream 9250, ATI FirePro V8700 (FireGL), ATI Mobility RADEON HD 4870, ATI Mobility RADEON M98, ATI FirePro M7750, ATI M98, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650, ATI Radeon RV730 (AGP), ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4670, ATI FirePro M5750, ATI RV730XT [Radeon HD 4670], ATI RADEON E4600, ATI Radeon HD 4600 Series, ATI RV730 PRO [Radeon HD 4650], ATI FirePro V7750 (FireGL), ATI FirePro V5700 (FireGL), ATI FirePro V3750 (FireGL), ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4830, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4850, ATI FirePro M7740, ATI RV740, ATI Radeon HD 4770, ATI Radeon HD 4700 Series, ATI RV610, ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT, ATI Radeon HD 2400 Pro, ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO AGP, ATI FireGL V4000, ATI Radeon HD 2350, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2400 XT, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2400, ATI RADEON E2400, ATI FireMV 2260, ATI RV670, ATI Radeon HD3870, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3850, ATI Radeon HD3850, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3850 X2, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3870, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3870 X2, ATI Radeon HD3870 X2, ATI FireGL V7700, ATI Radeon HD3690, AMD Firestream 9170, ATI Radeon HD 4550, ATI Radeon RV710, ATI Radeon HD 4350, ATI Mobility Radeon 4300 Series, ATI Mobility Radeon 4500 Series, ATI FirePro RG220, ATI Mobility Radeon 4330, ATI RV630, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2600, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2600 XT, ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT AGP, ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro AGP, ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT, ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro, ATI Gemini RV630, ATI Gemini Mobility Radeon HD 2600 XT, ATI FireGL V5600, ATI FireGL V3600, ATI Radeon HD 2600 LE, ATI Mobility FireGL Graphics Processor, ATI Radeon HD 3470, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3430, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3400 Series, ATI Radeon HD 3450, ATI Radeon HD 3430, ATI FirePro V3700, ATI FireMV 2450, ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series, ATI Radeon HD 3650 AGP, ATI Radeon HD 3600 PRO, ATI Radeon HD 3600 XT, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3670, ATI Mobility FireGL V5700, ATI Mobility FireGL V5725, ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics, ATI Radeon 3100 Graphics, ATI Radeon HD 3300 Graphics, ATI Radeon 3000 Graphics, SUMO, SUMO2, ATI Radeon HD 4200, ATI Radeon 4100, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4200, ATI Mobility Radeon 4100, ATI Radeon HD 4290, ATI Radeon HD 4250, AMD Radeon HD 6310 Graphics, AMD Radeon HD 6250 Graphics, AMD Radeon HD 6300 Series Graphics, AMD Radeon HD 6200 Series Graphics, PALM, CYPRESS, ATI FirePro (FireGL) Graphics Adapter, AMD Firestream 9370, AMD Firestream 9350, ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series, ATI Radeon HD 5900 Series, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5800 Series, ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series, ATI Radeon HD 6700 Series, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5570, ATI Radeon HD 5670, ATI Radeon HD 5570, ATI Radeon HD 5500 Series, REDWOOD, ATI Mobility Radeon Graphics, CEDAR, ATI FirePro 2270, ATI Radeon HD 5450, CAYMAN, AMD Radeon HD 6900 Series, AMD Radeon HD 6900M Series, Mobility Radeon HD 6000 Series, BARTS, AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series, AMD Radeon HD 6700 Series, TURKS, CAICOS, ARUBA, TAHITI, PITCAIRN, VERDE, OLAND, HAINAN, BONAIRE, KABINI, MULLINS, KAVERI, HAWAII [ 19.746] (II) modesetting: Driver for Modesetting Kernel Drivers: kms [ 19.746] (II) scfb: driver for wsdisplay framebuffer: scfb [ 19.746] (II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa [ 19.747] (--) Using syscons driver with X support (version 2.0) [ 19.747] (--) using VT number 9 [ 19.749] (II) [KMS] Kernel modesetting enabled. [ 19.749] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for modesetting [ 19.749] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for scfb [ 19.749] scfb trace: probe start [ 19.749] scfb trace: probe done [ 19.749] (WW) VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no multi-card support [ 19.750] (==) RADEON(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 [ 19.750] (II) RADEON(0): Pixel depth = 24 bits stored in 4 bytes (32 bpp pixmaps) [ 19.750] (==) RADEON(0): Default visual is TrueColor [ 19.750] (==) RADEON(0): RGB weight 888 [ 19.750] (II) RADEON(0): Using 8 bits per RGB (8 bit DAC) [ 19.750] (--) RADEON(0): Chipset: "AMD Radeon HD 6310 Graphics" (ChipID = 0x9802) [ 19.751] (II) Loading sub module "fb" [ 19.751] (II) LoadModule: "fb" [ 19.752] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so [ 19.754] (II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 19.754] compiled for 1.20.8, module version = 1.0.0 [ 19.754] ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4 [ 19.754] (II) Loading sub module "dri2" [ 19.754] (II) LoadModule: "dri2" [ 19.754] (II) Module "dri2" already built-in [ 20.651] (II) Loading sub module "glamoregl" [ 20.651] (II) LoadModule: "glamoregl" [ 20.652] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/libglamoregl.so [ 20.711] (II) Module glamoregl: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 20.711] compiled for 1.20.8, module version = 1.0.1 [ 20.711] ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4 [ 20.761] (II) RADEON(0): glamor X acceleration enabled on AMD PALM (DRM 2.50.0 / 12.1-RELEASE-p5, LLVM 8.0.1) [ 20.761] (II) RADEON(0): glamor detected, initialising EGL layer. [ 20.761] (II) RADEON(0): KMS Color Tiling: enabled [ 20.761] (II) RADEON(0): KMS Color Tiling 2D: enabled [ 20.761] (==) RADEON(0): TearFree property default: auto [ 20.761] (II) RADEON(0): KMS Pageflipping: enabled [ 20.762] (II) RADEON(0): Output LVDS has no monitor section [ 20.762] (II) RADEON(0): Output HDMI-0 has no monitor section [ 20.768] (II) RADEON(0): Output VGA-0 has no monitor section [ 20.768] (WW) RADEON(0): 3 ZaphodHeads crtcs unavailable. Some outputs will stay off. [ 20.769] (II) RADEON(0): EDID for output LVDS [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): Manufacturer: SEC Model: 3053 Serial#: 0 [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): Year: 2008 Week: 0 [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): EDID Version: 1.3 [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): Digital Display Input [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): Max Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 26 vert.: 14 [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): Gamma: 2.20 [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): No DPMS capabilities specified [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): Supported color encodings: RGB 4:4:4 YCrCb 4:4:4 [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): First detailed timing is preferred mode [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): redX: 0.580 redY: 0.340 greenX: 0.310 greenY: 0.550 [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): blueX: 0.155 blueY: 0.155 whiteX: 0.313 whiteY: 0.329 [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0 [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): Supported detailed timing: [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): clock: 69.3 MHz Image Size: 256 x 144 mm [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): h_active: 1366 h_sync: 1414 h_sync_end 1446 h_blank_end 1480 h_border: 0 [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): v_active: 768 v_sync: 770 v_sync_end 775 v_blanking: 780 v_border: 0 [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): Unknown vendor-specific block f [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): SAMSUNG [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): 116AT02-H01 [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): EDID (in hex): [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): 00ffffffffffff004ca3533000000000 [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): 00120103801a0e780a87f594574f8c27 [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): 27505400000001010101010101010101 [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): 010101010101121b567250000c303020 [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): 25000090100000190000000f00000000 [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): 00000000001eb4027400000000fe0053 [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): 414d53554e470a2020202020000000fe [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): 00313136415430322d4830310a2000b7 [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): Printing probed modes for output LVDS [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1366x768"x60.0 69.30 1366 1414 1446 1480 768 770 775 780 -hsync -vsync (46.8 kHz UeP) [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1280x720"x60.0 74.65 1280 1344 1472 1664 720 723 728 748 -hsync +vsync (44.9 kHz) [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1152x768"x59.9 71.95 1152 1216 1328 1504 768 771 781 798 -hsync +vsync (47.8 kHz) [ 20.770] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1024x768"x59.9 63.53 1024 1072 1176 1328 768 771 775 798 -hsync +vsync (47.8 kHz) [ 20.771] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "800x600"x60.0 38.31 800 832 912 1024 600 603 607 624 -hsync +vsync (37.4 kHz) [ 20.771] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "848x480"x59.9 31.65 848 872 952 1056 480 483 493 500 -hsync +vsync (30.0 kHz) [ 20.771] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "720x480"x59.9 26.85 720 744 808 896 480 483 493 500 -hsync +vsync (30.0 kHz) [ 20.771] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "640x480"x59.9 23.98 640 664 720 800 480 483 487 500 -hsync +vsync (30.0 kHz) [ 20.771] (II) RADEON(0): EDID for output HDMI-0 [ 20.777] (II) RADEON(0): EDID for output VGA-0 [ 20.777] (II) RADEON(0): Output LVDS connected [ 20.777] (II) RADEON(0): Output HDMI-0 disconnected [ 20.777] (II) RADEON(0): Output VGA-0 disconnected [ 20.777] (II) RADEON(0): Using user preference for initial modes [ 20.777] (II) RADEON(0): Output LVDS using initial mode 1366x768 +0+0 [ 20.777] (II) RADEON(0): mem size init: gart size :3fdde000 vram size: s:18000000 visible:f87a000 [ 20.777] (==) RADEON(0): DPI set to (96, 96) [ 20.777] (==) RADEON(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) [ 20.777] (II) Loading sub module "ramdac" [ 20.778] (II) LoadModule: "ramdac" [ 20.778] (II) Module "ramdac" already built-in [ 20.778] (II) UnloadModule: "modesetting" [ 20.778] (II) Unloading modesetting [ 20.778] (II) UnloadModule: "scfb" [ 20.778] (II) Unloading scfb [ 20.778] (II) UnloadModule: "vesa" [ 20.778] (II) Unloading vesa [ 20.780] (II) RADEON(0): [DRI2] Setup complete [ 20.780] (II) RADEON(0): [DRI2] DRI driver: r600 [ 20.780] (II) RADEON(0): [DRI2] VDPAU driver: r600 [ 20.782] (II) RADEON(0): Front buffer size: 4128K [ 20.782] (II) RADEON(0): VRAM usage limit set to 225252K [ 20.786] (II) RADEON(0): SYNC extension fences enabled [ 20.787] (II) RADEON(0): Present extension enabled [ 20.787] (==) RADEON(0): DRI3 enabled [ 20.787] (==) RADEON(0): Backing store enabled [ 20.787] (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering enabled [ 20.906] (II) RADEON(0): Use GLAMOR acceleration. [ 20.906] (II) RADEON(0): Acceleration enabled [ 20.906] (==) RADEON(0): DPMS enabled [ 20.906] (==) RADEON(0): Silken mouse enabled [ 20.906] (II) RADEON(0): Set up textured video (glamor) [ 20.908] (II) RADEON(0): [XvMC] Associated with GLAMOR Textured Video. [ 20.909] (II) RADEON(0): [XvMC] Extension initialized. [ 20.913] (II) Initializing extension Generic Event Extension [ 20.914] (II) Initializing extension SHAPE [ 20.915] (II) Initializing extension MIT-SHM [ 20.916] (II) Initializing extension XInputExtension [ 20.918] (II) Initializing extension XTEST [ 20.919] (II) Initializing extension BIG-REQUESTS [ 20.920] (II) Initializing extension SYNC [ 20.920] (II) Initializing extension XKEYBOARD [ 20.922] (II) Initializing extension XC-MISC [ 20.923] (II) Initializing extension SECURITY [ 20.923] (II) Initializing extension XFIXES [ 20.924] (II) Initializing extension RENDER [ 20.925] (II) Initializing extension RANDR [ 20.926] (II) Initializing extension COMPOSITE [ 20.928] (II) Initializing extension DAMAGE [ 20.928] (II) Initializing extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER [ 20.929] (II) Initializing extension DOUBLE-BUFFER [ 20.930] (II) Initializing extension RECORD [ 20.930] (II) Initializing extension DPMS [ 20.931] (II) Initializing extension Present [ 20.932] (II) Initializing extension DRI3 [ 20.932] (II) Initializing extension X-Resource [ 20.933] (II) Initializing extension XVideo [ 20.934] (II) Initializing extension XVideo-MotionCompensation [ 20.934] (II) Initializing extension GLX [ 20.948] (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized r600 [ 20.948] (II) GLX: Initialized DRI2 GL provider for screen 0 [ 20.948] (II) Initializing extension XFree86-VidModeExtension [ 20.948] (II) Initializing extension XFree86-DGA [ 20.949] (II) Initializing extension XFree86-DRI [ 20.950] (II) Initializing extension DRI2 [ 20.955] (II) RADEON(0): Setting screen physical size to 361 x 203 [ 21.306] (II) config/udev: Adding input device System keyboard multiplexer (/dev/input/event0) [ 21.307] (**) System keyboard multiplexer: Applying InputClass "Evdev keyboard" [ 21.307] (**) System keyboard multiplexer: Applying InputClass "libinput keyboard catchall" [ 21.307] (II) LoadModule: "libinput" [ 21.309] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/input/libinput_drv.so [ 21.356] (II) Module libinput: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 21.356] compiled for 1.20.8, module version = 0.29.0 [ 21.356] Module class: X.Org XInput Driver [ 21.356] ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 24.1 [ 21.356] (II) Using input driver 'libinput' for 'System keyboard multiplexer' [ 21.356] (**) System keyboard multiplexer: always reports core events [ 21.356] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event0" [ 21.357] (**) Option "_source" "server/udev" [ 21.377] (II) event0 - System keyboard multiplexer: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard [ 21.377] (II) event0 - System keyboard multiplexer: device is a keyboard [ 21.379] (II) event0 - System keyboard multiplexer: device removed [ 21.379] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/dev/input/event0" [ 21.379] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "System keyboard multiplexer" (type: KEYBOARD, id 6) [ 21.379] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev" [ 21.467] (II) event0 - System keyboard multiplexer: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard [ 21.467] (II) event0 - System keyboard multiplexer: device is a keyboard [ 21.468] (II) config/udev: Adding input device System mouse (/dev/input/event1) [ 21.468] (**) System mouse: Applying InputClass "libinput pointer catchall" [ 21.468] (II) Using input driver 'libinput' for 'System mouse' [ 21.468] (**) System mouse: always reports core events [ 21.468] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event1" [ 21.468] (**) Option "_source" "server/udev" [ 21.470] (II) event1 - System mouse: is tagged by udev as: Mouse [ 21.471] (II) event1 - System mouse: device is a pointer [ 21.471] (II) event1 - System mouse: device removed [ 21.471] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/dev/input/event1" [ 21.471] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "System mouse" (type: MOUSE, id 7) [ 21.472] (**) Option "AccelerationScheme" "none" [ 21.472] (**) System mouse: (accel) selected scheme none/0 [ 21.472] (**) System mouse: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000 [ 21.472] (**) System mouse: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4 [ 21.474] (II) event1 - System mouse: is tagged by udev as: Mouse [ 21.474] (II) event1 - System mouse: device is a pointer [ 21.475] (II) config/udev: Adding input device AT keyboard (/dev/input/event2) [ 21.475] (**) AT keyboard: Applying InputClass "Evdev keyboard" [ 21.475] (**) AT keyboard: Applying InputClass "libinput keyboard catchall" [ 21.475] (II) Using input driver 'libinput' for 'AT keyboard' [ 21.475] (**) AT keyboard: always reports core events [ 21.475] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event2" [ 21.475] (**) Option "_source" "server/udev" [ 21.477] (II) event2 - AT keyboard: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard [ 21.477] (II) event2 - AT keyboard: device is a keyboard [ 21.478] (II) event2 - AT keyboard: device removed [ 21.478] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/dev/input/event2" [ 21.478] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "AT keyboard" (type: KEYBOARD, id 8) [ 21.478] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev" [ 21.480] (II) event2 - AT keyboard: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard [ 21.480] (II) event2 - AT keyboard: device is a keyboard [ 21.482] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Generic PS/2 mouse (/dev/input/event3) [ 21.482] (**) Generic PS/2 mouse: Applying InputClass "libinput pointer catchall" [ 21.482] (II) Using input driver 'libinput' for 'Generic PS/2 mouse' [ 21.482] (**) Generic PS/2 mouse: always reports core events [ 21.482] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event3" [ 21.482] (**) Option "_source" "server/udev" [ 21.503] (II) event3 - Generic PS/2 mouse: is tagged by udev as: Mouse [ 21.504] (II) event3 - Generic PS/2 mouse: device is a pointer [ 21.504] (II) event3 - Generic PS/2 mouse: device removed [ 21.544] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/dev/input/event3" [ 21.544] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Generic PS/2 mouse" (type: MOUSE, id 9) [ 21.545] (**) Option "AccelerationScheme" "none" [ 21.545] (**) Generic PS/2 mouse: (accel) selected scheme none/0 [ 21.545] (**) Generic PS/2 mouse: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000 [ 21.545] (**) Generic PS/2 mouse: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4 [ 21.568] (II) event3 - Generic PS/2 mouse: is tagged by udev as: Mouse [ 21.569] (II) event3 - Generic PS/2 mouse: device is a pointer [ 21.809] (II) RADEON(0): EDID vendor "SEC", prod id 12371 [ 21.809] (II) RADEON(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines: [ 21.809] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1366x768"x0.0 69.30 1366 1414 1446 1480 768 770 775 780 -hsync -vsync (46.8 kHz eP) ********** /var/log/Xorg.0.log ********** end ********** -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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