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Date:      Sat, 24 Jun 2017 07:38:48 +0200
From:      =?utf-8?Q?Martin_Waschb=C3=BCsch?= <martin@waschbuesch.de>
To:        ports@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: [RFC] Why FreeBSD ports should have branches by OS version
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> Am 23.06.2017 um 23:53 schrieb Michelle Sullivan <michelle@sorbs.net>:
>=20
> Matt Smith wrote:
>>=20
>> I use FreeBSD *precisely* because it mostly keeps up with the latest =
stable versions of things. I have postfix 3.2, pgsql 9.6, nginx 1.13, =
libressl 2.5 etc. It's usually impossible to do this with linux unless =
you install things directly from source.
>=20
> And me I came to FreeBSD because it was security conscious but not =
latest and greatest or nothing... well not strictly true, P Vixie forced =
me into trying it.. but I changed from Linux to FreeBSD across my entire =
product because of stability... which doesn't exist in the same way now =
(and hasn't since 2013ish)..

FWIW, personally, I never perceived statements about FreeBSD's stability =
to extend beyond the scope of the (complete) OS itself.
I always regarded ports very much as a convenience. pkg even more so.

>> I upgrade my ports/packages via poudriere every single day which =
mostly just takes 2 minutes of my time as usually that results in maybe =
one or two packages being updated at a time. I see this as a positive =
thing rather than doing one massive huge upgrade every 3 months.
> Currently have 87 servers located across 7 continents, all in =
production processing incoming spam at the millions per day, and serving =
DNS requests at a rate of over 70,000 queries per second (averaged over =
a week)... you can't just f**k with that.  Patches have to be evaluated, =
tested, built and regression tested....


My personal conclusion is that if I need to ensure that issues =
(especially security fixes) are dealt with in a timely manner then I =
have to do the patching, testing, evaluating, etc. myself.
After all, even if all that was thoroughly done by upstream, port =
maintainer, etc., who=E2=80=99s to say my specific setup and config =
won=E2=80=99t bring issues to light their testing didn=E2=80=99t?

Just my two cents.=



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