From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 27 19:03:40 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD4E2CBFBB for ; Wed, 27 May 2020 19:03:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49XKx71ddkz3gmF for ; Wed, 27 May 2020 19:03:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [IPv6:2607:fb90:642a:e789:fc70:68ea:c0b1:6ce2] (unknown [172.58.191.94]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 938024E651 for ; Wed, 27 May 2020 14:03:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: FreeBSD Cert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200527203627.2c9faae5@archlinux> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <21722039-a01f-37d3-e035-6be2950485e2@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 14:03:26 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200527203627.2c9faae5@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49XKx71ddkz3gmF X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.21 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.191.94:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.14)[1.137]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.98)[0.978]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.999]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 19:03:40 -0000 On 5/27/20 1:36 PM, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:03:29 +0000, Brandon helsley wrote: >> Excuse me could you clarify I didn't catch that > > IMHO it's quite irrelevant given that you described yourself as "I > don't know anything about computers but got freebsd as a project to > learn as much as possible". > > If you official maintain software for an operating system you not only > need to be _familiar_ with the operating system, you also need to chase > after the source code, if upstream discontinues a project and somebody > forks it or upstream migrated from one software hosting service to > another and there are few additional things to do, that are very time > consuming and that have nothing to do with becoming familiar with the > operating system. +1 Another way to look at it: you have no expertise, then if you follow someone's advise on the list and attempt to become port maintainer, then I've got question for you: Will you let anything on _your_ computer that came from someone with no expertise? Why offering the same to others? So: Install the system. Solve all trouble on that way by searching for solutions, not by asking ready recipes on mail lists. Become knowledgeable USER of that system. Learn programming. Create small programs of your own for your own needs. This was you indeed will acquire invaluable knowledge. By doing. This though sounds terse will bring you to the goal you stated much faster, believe me. Good luck. Valeri > > You are interested in networking? Search > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ for the > term "network". > > Learn how to read man(ual) pages, such as > > https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?ls > > or > > https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=tcsh&sektion=1&manpath=freebsd-release-ports > > man pages are the build in manual, but for a newbie the man pages are > not easy to understand. > > Apropos shells: > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/linux-users/shells.html > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/shells.html > > Learning by doing. Start a simple project. Kind of an advanced "Hello, > World!" script that has something to do with your interests, maybe > networking, instead of a program, > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Hello,_World!%22_program . > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++