From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 11:43:24 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66A699B3 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 11:43:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 220F22EE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 11:43:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-61-84.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.61.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B60C3CDDB; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 12:43:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t08BhJX1002423; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 12:43:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 12:43:19 +0100 From: Polytropon To: William B Subject: Re: Gnome2 -> Gnome3 - no way Message-Id: <20150108124319.15349b9c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150108200631.293f7d40@franky.ipa.blackhats.net.au> References: <63179.128.135.70.2.1420560731.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20150107153505.GB26903@aurora.oekb.co.at> <20150107164934.e0f45beb.freebsd@edvax.de> <242E4555-34DC-4189-BEF9-1A79823B534A@firstyear.id.au> <20150108101849.4143eb55.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150108200631.293f7d40@franky.ipa.blackhats.net.au> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 11:43:24 -0000 On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 20:06:31 +1030, William B wrote: > Both approaches do not work as mate keyboard takes over and changes the layout > regardless of what you set in xorg.conf, but Mate keyboard "forgets" to set > the layout to what the user has configured. I need some time to debug it > though work allowing. Yes, that's actually really a massive usability problem when a desktop environment "captures" a system setting and doesn't implement the substitute properly... > Not that I am aware of: HAL is a depedancy of Xorg, not MATE. It's not just X. Many desktop environments and their components did require HAL as a dependency. Of course it was possible to build X without HAL support and then compile all other programs without HAL support. But having this situation as the default for binary packages really is an improvement. I just feared that Mate would include something that still requires HAL... > According to the > docs, and what I have checked, the "current" version of Xorg in pkg is not built > with hal support, so it's not needed. Great! Finally someone took the garbage out. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...