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Date:      Mon, 24 Sep 2001 01:41:02 -0600 (MDT)
From:      RJ45 <rj45@slacknet.com>
To:        Bill Moran <wmoran@iowna.com>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: STRANGE delay using NAT
Message-ID:  <Pine.LNX.4.21.0109240140400.8262-100000@slacknet.slacknet.com>
In-Reply-To: <3BAE4EBA.D4EBA2E9@iowna.com>

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thank you this look possbile true...
any hints you could have to solve this problem??
thanks

Rick


On Sun, 23 Sep 2001, Bill Moran wrote:

> RJ45 wrote:
> > when I ssh x.y.z.v it takes around 3 minutes before prompting me for the
> > password. If I Instead ssh x.y.z.w (the gateway) and then ssh 10.0.0.1
> > it takes around 5 seconds.
> > How come the response time with NAT is soooo damn slow ??
> > IS there a way to fix the problem ??
> > The problem is only in te first ssh authentication step, when SSH
> > communication is established the connection looks fast.
> 
> Usually, this kind of thing indicates a DNS problem.  Most secure stuff
> (like ssh) will do a reverse DNS lookup to verify the IP is not spoofed
> and put the data in the logs.  Three minutes is about the time it takes
> to time out if nobody is providing reverse lookup information.
> I don't know the ssh suite of protocols that well, but here's my guess:
> ssh wants a reverse lookup before you log in (to help prevent spoofing
> and man-in-the-middle attacks) When you go from a machine to proxy, the
> reverse lookup for the proxy happens quick, then you ssh from proxy to
> 10.0.0.1 and the _proxy_ does the reverse lookup and succeeds.
> However, when you ssh directly through the proxy to 10.0.0.1, your machine
> is trying to do a reverse lookup for 10.0.0.1 - but that's not a real
> Internet address, and no DNS servers on the Internet are going to resolve
> it.  So, after waiting 3 minutes, it gives up and lets you connect anyway.
> 
> This is just a guess.  It assumes that the sshd process will be sending
> the IP addy back as part of the ssh protocol - I don't know if that's the
> case or not.  But the whole 3 minute thing sounds a lot like DNS timeouts.
> 
> -- 
> "Where's the robot to pat you on the back?"
> 


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