Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 13:55:21 -0400 From: Jason Hellenthal <jhellenthal@dataix.net> To: John Kozubik <john@kozubik.com> Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, "owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" <owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: There is currently no usable release of FreeBSD. Message-ID: <B9B3DC09-1F0E-4A3C-885D-EF1EDABEC1AF@dataix.net> In-Reply-To: <7b7737a473e012b0604e44d0154d6fd5@mail.feld.me> References: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1406040944570.2120@kozubik.com> <7b7737a473e012b0604e44d0154d6fd5@mail.feld.me>
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--Apple-Mail-2F4E3180-1DF2-4044-9ED9-D0C7323C1CB6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All this seems like a moot freebsd-chat communication undeserving not for ha= ckers@ Would make for a perfect troll though . . . as there are no sound facts anyw= here within the original message. Personally if I was a shareholder and i seen that original message did just g= et someone else to do the job that would be more adequate to evaluate OS sol= utions properly and a timely manner. --=20 Jason Hellenthal Voice: 95.30.17.6/616 JJH48-ARIN > On Jun 4, 2014, at 13:47, Mark Felder <feld@FreeBSD.org> wrote: >=20 >> On 2014-06-04 11:52, John Kozubik wrote: >> freebsd.org website shows the following: >> Production: 10.0 >> Legacy: 9.2, 8.4 >> Upcoming: 9.3 >> You can't put an x.0 release into production (a bigotry that is *well >> deserved* in light of 5.0 and 9.0) ... and 9.2 and 8.4 are legacy ... >> and we all know that 9.3 is as far as the 9 branch is going to go, so >> that's a dead end for any serious deployment. >=20 > Yes you can. You don't blindly update systems without knowing what you're g= etting into, so test test test. >=20 > See also: Netflix's presentation from vBSDCon: "Dis-spelling the myth of t= he 'dot-oh' release". >=20 >=20 >> Let's pretend for a moment that you are going to use FreeBSD for >> something other than FreeBSD development. Let's pretend that you have >> customers and shareholders and boardmembers and contracts and >> regulators. >=20 > I do. They're all on FreeBSD 10.0. >=20 >> Which version of FreeBSD would you use ? >=20 > 10.0. 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