Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 20:57:44 -0800 From: John-Mark Gurney <gurney_j@efn.org> To: Mark Mayo <mark@vmunix.com> Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [hackers:] Architectural advice needed Message-ID: <19971208205744.17066@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> In-Reply-To: <19971208233749.58568@vmunix.com>; from Mark Mayo on Mon, Dec 08, 1997 at 11:37:49PM -0500 References: <199712082204.OAA23754@implode.root.com> <348C78C4.6F5992E1@whistle.com> <19971208204221.23659@vmunix.com> <19971208194209.62841@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> <19971208233749.58568@vmunix.com>
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Mark Mayo scribbled this message on Dec 8: > On Mon, Dec 08, 1997 at 07:42:09PM -0800, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > > Mark Mayo scribbled this message on Dec 8: > > > One thing that would have really helped us out that I now see in the > > > win95/Mac netscape and mickeysoft conferencing tools is the > > > "blackboard" thing - you can scribble and write on a blackboard > > > that is shared by all members of the conference. I don't think this is > > > present in the Unix version of Netscape 4.0 though... Bummer. > > > > why not use sdr, whiteboard, and vat?? I've recieved quite good > > resposne at home (over a 28.8k) from Luigi (in Europe) using GSM on > > vat (I could hear him type :) )... but the other way was to overloaded > > for me to chat with him... > > Hmm. I went searching for these and they're all in the /usr/ports/mbone > directory.. I've never tried mbone stuff before, so I didn't know > about them! :-) > > Am I getting this right? > > 1. vat - audio conferencing > 2. vic - video conferencing > 3. wb - the shared whiteboard thing (cool!) > 4. sdr - a session thing, I'm assuming like a "directory" of user on > the mbone > 5. imm - send images and stuff mbone style pretty much yes... the sdr is actually more of a schedule of when things will be happening... this is to announce when something like the FreeBSD lounge will meet... and for reservering a multicast address for use... I'm not that familar.. as I haven't gotten mbone to my home network (haven't gotten mrouted to do it's job :( )... > Wow. That's everthing one could hope for! It would be neat to tie > them all into one package/application (but that sort of defeats > the Unix philosophy..). actually, if you think about it... it's MUCH better to keep 'em seperate... when you start using 'em, you'll see what I mean... > Stupid mbone question: Can anyone with a TCP/IP (i.e. PPP) connection > "get on" the mbone?? I'm a bit confused as to what this mbone thing > is exactly. I've seen big maps of "The Mbone", where the little red > lines don't come anywhere near where I live.. :-) basicly, you will need to talk to your isp, or who ever you get your internet service from... if they don't know what your talking about, you can get a feed from someone else... this will require you to set up mrouted to do the tunneling/routing necessary... > This multicast stuff seems quite neat. I'm going to do some research - right > now it's just buzzword overload! > > If I can't be part of the multicast mbone, can I at least use the above > tools "point to point"? I know that you can use vat point to point... I haven't personally use the others point to point... > Anyways, as i mentioned on another post, if no-one has already done it, > I'm going to create a FreeBSD Conferencing Tools web page and give > overviews of all the tools, technology, and so on so the whole thing > isn't so overwhelming for new users :-) I don't know of any... > P.S. Damn it's hard to concentrate on exams now.. it's like I've walked > into a whole new world!!! :) yeh... I just finished my first of two today... :) > > I'm looking at moving into the university dorms, and once I do, then > > I can have all the fun of multicast... > > > > > One thing is for certain, conferencing tools will almost certainly > > > represent a pretty big market in the years to come. Especially once we > > > start getting ADSL and cable modem rollouts so you can have an audio/video > > > link happening. The FreeBSD project, IMHO, is a shining example of what > > > can be accomplished through the Net, and the success is remarkable given > > > the relatively primitive tools used! > > > > yep... once the higher speed connections come out.. then we can use > > the Bt848 and a camera for video conferencing.. :) > > > > > If it doesn't already exist, an X conferencing tool certainly seems like > > > a neat program "waiting to be created" by some spirited programmer > > > out there! :-) > > > > yep, they all pretty much exist... the ones that don't exist are the > > ones that don't require X... :( -- John-Mark Gurney Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Cu Networking Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD
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