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Subject: Re: Time to stop stripping binaries?
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On 18 juin 2010, at 12:24, Bruce Evans wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Jun 2010, M. Warner Losh wrote:
> 
>> Now that disks are big, can we stop stripping binaries by default?
> 
> Symbols aren't very useful unless they are full debugging symbols, but
> with full debugging symbols the unstripped binaries would be _very_ large.
> 
> With only non-debugging symbols, the symbols' size in most shared
> executables is small since most symbols are in libraries.  However,
> all libraries may need to be compiled with full symbols irrespective
> of the default policy for stripping installed binaries, so that you
> can debug [non-installed] binaries.

Having base symbols will help if you do PMC on the system for example.
I'm always building with DONTSTRIP=1 to have it at the moment.

Fabien